CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #42

[Seek&Find]

Redwine said he even wanted to donate to the funds helping support activities to find Dylan.

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:waitasec: Then why hasn't he?

"He hasn’t helped at all with the Find Missing Dylan Redwine Fund."

Dr Phil 2

Evidently, he has $ he could contribute. If Dylan's not found, a college fund is useless. Moo

His dad wants him to go to college and has saved money to pay for it.

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[Ronald99]

My fear is that MR will either self destruct from his use of alcohol or will do something to himself purposefully in order to take his secrets to the grave and ultimately get the last dig at ER.

I believe we've been watching MR self destruct, and he drastically did durning the Dr Phil shows. Everyone that viewed both shows witnessed the real MR and his Devious Calculating ways.

He's to cowardly to hurt himself, His apparent focus in life is knowing he's in control, I totally believe azgrandma and Elaine's portrayals of MR, he's going to continue self destructing, there's been zero evidence to the contrary !!

 

[Ronald99]

Yeah, but I think at that point they were trying a new strategy to get him to talk because many other times when they have addressed that issue, ER and CR have at least insinuated that he has verbally, emotionally, or physically abused them in the past and that would be a part of court record. So you can call it my opinion only if you want but it is fact. :Banane23:

I believe they were briefed by investigators concerning there use of words, It's more effective using non aggressive wording.

 

[Dee10]

We have seen people rejecting xx statement with the reasoning "well that doesn't make him a murderer", which is true. Each puzzle piece can be individually rejected as this one piece won't solve the puzzle. The puzzle only gets solved by putting the pieces together. Wish we had every piece. :giggle:

 

[packerdog]

Hi AZgrandma. I was wondering what makes MR tick, all I see is a broken clock. Did MR come from a two parent home? Did he ever talk about his childhood?

Both you and ER are such nice ladies and very level headed. MR must have really put on the charm and best behavior when you were first dating.

You of course, do not have to answer.

 

[Seek&Find]

Dylan liked to argue, just because he knew he could get under his friends’ skin, Wesley said.

“That’s not one of the things people normally miss, but I kinda miss it,” he said. link

vs.​

[Mark] Dylan is a peacekeeper. I believe that Dylan is the kind of kid that when he’s with his mom tries to keep peace with her and will tell her whatever she wants to hear. I think he’s like that with his brother and I think that he’s very much like that with me. Blasius

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“I was married to Mark for a lot of years, and I know the way he reacts to things,” she told ABC. “If Dylan did or said something that wasn’t what Mark wanted to hear, I’m just afraid Mark would have reacted.” link

 

[Ronald99]

My first thought was the Postal worker. God I hope not!!!

I know we're not allowed to sleuth the postal worker, But I'm curious if MR has attempted to involve others into making unverifiable statements.

 

[asyousay]

Dylan liked to argue, just because he knew he could get under his friends’ skin, Wesley said.

“That’s not one of the things people normally miss, but I kinda miss it,” he said. link

This has always been my fear. A lot of kids do play a parent off each other and for example Dylan may of said " oh Mum would of let me go tonight " in reference to him refusing to let Dylan visit R .

A theory of mine of where Mark may of reacted in anger :cow:

 

[Seek&Find]

After Dylan arrived in Durango on Nov. 18, father and son grabbed dinner and went by Walmart to pick up groceries for the week, Mark said. link

"there was a need for us to grab enough things from Wal-Mart to be able to sustain ourselves for a day or two" Blasius

BBM

 

[TGIRecovered]

I have a question that perhaps only AZGrandma can answer, but I thought I would throw it out there. It just amazes me that this man, MR, who I consider to be one of the most reprehensible people I've ever seen, managed to be married to not one, but two women who I consider to be two of the most beautiful, intelligent and loving mothers I've seen.

Did Mark once have a different personality? Was he once a loving husband and father? Or was he able to mask his true personality during those earlier years? Or was it more of a back and forth kind of thing? I am not sure how long MR and AZ were married, but think ER said she was married to him for 17 years! He obviously had some good qualities in him that they saw, or like I said, was a very good "actor."

I guess I am just seeing him from this point and having an extremely difficult time seeing him ever married to either one of these amazing women. If he only realized what a truly lucky man he was to have these women in his life and the beautiful children these women brought into the world for him.

I can't answer for MR's exes, but I can relate to the situation a woman can be in with a husband who has an insatiable need to be in control. I'm talking control to the point that it doesn't matter who gets hurt or what dire consequences result. He Must Rule/Overpower/ Prevail or Destroy. That's it. If he can't "win", he will make sure that you suffer.

I can look back on my life and see times when I was most vulnerable. Times when my self esteem was low from untreated depression. Times when I was having a hard time paying the bills and then the car broke down, or a boyfriend found someone else. Even intelligent or attractive or "successful" women have weak spots, we are human.

Men like MR capitalize on the needs and misfortune of others. They look for a woman who wants to trust them. They pretend to be loving or protective , or ambitious... Whatever it takes to win this woman. They get married, have a baby or two, and his behavior gets worse. She now knows that if she tries to leave him, he will do everything in his power to keep the kids or turn them against her or hurt them in order to hurt her. She fears his wrath. She knows that he has no compassion, no moral boundaries.

I don't think ER stayed with MR as long as she did because things were good. I think she was stuck between a rock and a hard place.

MOO




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[Seek&Find]

This has always been my fear. A lot of kids do play a parent off each other and for example Dylan may of said " oh Mum would of let me go tonight " in reference to him refusing to let Dylan visit R .

A theory of mine of where Mark may of reacted in anger :cow:

I agree. I can easily see Dylan saying something that Mark got upset about, and it ending in violence. We know he's been violent before with family members. And Mark seemed angry at Cory's "disrespect" on Dr Phil, IMO.

With the report of Mark's drunken violence that July 4, then a 1/2 a bottle of whiskey for stress on Dr Phil, I wonder if Mark was angry that Dylan arrived late and on Sunday, may've drank, Dylan said something Mark reacted violently to...IDK. As before, I'm still not sure if it was premed violence or spontaneous, but I strongly suspect it's one of those two.

(Links already in this thread)
Moo

 

[Ronald99]

http://durangoherald.com/article/20...andoff-ends-peacefully-at-Vallecito-Reservoir

La Plata County Sheriff’s negotiators pulled a woman from a vehicle after a two-hour standoff near the Vallecito Reservoir dam.
The woman earlier had thrown a revolver from the vehicle.
The woman told her daughter that she wanted to kill herself or be shot by police, Undersheriff David Griggs said.

 

[Confusion]

There's only one thing I can think of that Dylan might say that would upset him enough to actually hurt him, and that is that Mike is a better father than he could ever be and he's glad they're going to be a family. I just don't believe he'd say it, but anything is possible.

I personally don't see the controlling behavior in him, though, so maybe I am just totally missing things. What I saw on DP was DP asking him a question, MR starting to answer and one of the other people interrupting him to yell and/or insult him, accuse him of lying, or whatever. He usually shut up until the rant was over, tried to defend himself, and DP would more or less tell him to shut up - which he did. His exes were both strong, intelligent women, and I find it hard to think of them as being easily controlled/manipulated by someone who seems so inept at it. I'm not saying either woman has lied about what happened, but I wonder if the reasons for his actions were what everybody thinks they are. (No offense intended to either ex. I see nothing wrong with being strong, intelligent and not easily controlled!) MOO

 

[SCHMAE]

There's only one thing I can think of that Dylan might say that would upset him enough to actually hurt him, and that is that Mike is a better father than he could ever be and he's glad they're going to be a family. I just don't believe he'd say it, but anything is possible.

I personally don't see the controlling behavior in him, though, so maybe I am just totally missing things. What I saw on DP was DP asking him a question, MR starting to answer and one of the other people interrupting him to yell and/or insult him, accuse him of lying, or whatever. He usually shut up until the rant was over, tried to defend himself, and DP would more or less tell him to shut up - which he did. His exes were both strong, intelligent women, and I find it hard to think of them as being easily controlled/manipulated by someone who seems so inept at it. I'm not saying either woman has lied about what happened, but I wonder if the reasons for his actions were what everybody thinks they are. (No offense intended to either ex. I see nothing wrong with being strong, intelligent and not easily controlled!) MOO

To be fair, it could very well be that the women have found their strength SINCE being away from him. We have to remember its' been 6 or 7 yrs since ER and he divorced. It could be that she would never dream of talking to him like that during the marriage but now is not afraid to. I think MR is a very poor parent and spouse. But I know many men like that who are not murderers. I just don't know what to think of him.
OMG

 

[Seek&Find]

What I saw on DP was DP asking him a question, MR starting to answer and one of the other people interrupting him to yell and/or insult him, accuse him of lying, or whatever. He usually shut up until the rant was over, tried to defend himself, and DP would more or less tell him to shut up - which he did. MOO

SBM

Mark interrupted quite a bit, and he was the insulting one, IMO. "What kind of mother", "Well, boy" etc. And not once did Dr Phil say anything that could be construed as "shut up", IMO. It'd be interesting to see what quotes you're referencing.

Rant? Wow. Elaine & Cory believe Mark's involved in Dylan's disappearance and may have harmed him. He was the last one to see Dylan, his stories don't add up, and he won't answer their questions about that day, or follow through on his own promises to help clear himself. Are they angry, scared, and frustrated? Yes. Did they "rant"? Not in my opinion!

Moo

AzGrandma
He was IMO smug, I asked the first part of the question and he interrupted me, I tried to start again and he interrupted me again, I told him to let me finish, he started to talk and DP told him to let me finish (I can't remember the exact words but it is was brief) then I finished.
When he answered, he did just like he did on tv, that was not edited. It was, in your face type of response, he said I didn't know what I was talking about at one point but I can't remember if that was one of the times he interrupted me or while he was answering (transcripts will let you know this)

There was another part, when Cory was talking about how he hasn't helped any. CR said he hasn't donated anything to the fund, MR said that his company was donating. I looked right at him and said what about you. The look he gave me was all too familiar, you know, if looks could kill. He does not like to be taken to task.

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[Dee10]

Many woman get strong and independent after the relationship & trauma is over and healing is in progress. It can take many years depending on the circumstances IMO. Many women also do not repeat the cycle and learn what to look for the next relationship. Age also brings confidence and wisdom JMO.:great:

I don't have a link, but it is from the first video interview IIRC when MR said (paraphrasing) we hardly had a chance to talk about the new house. Of all things to mention...the new house.

 

[catswhiskers]

My fear is that MR had nothing to do with it, but all of the accusations and rumors will eventually set off the wrong person who will do something to him and everybody else will just consider the case solved. MOO


The first few times he spoke, everybody was pointing out the fact that he always said I and accused him of only thinking of himself instead of Dylan. It was also said that Elaine used "we" as much as he used "I", but those same people said it was totally different. I'm thinking he read enough of those comments to make him decide to use "we" instead of "I" to get the focus off him. Obviously, that didn't work! MOO again.



She interrupted him when he talked about him possibly doing something (can't remember what, maybe going to the bridge or rock wall?) and said something about it being November, which sounded like she thought it was too cold to do it. He responded to that by saying she hadn't sent a coat with him. I thought at the time that he was just saying that he thought that if she believed it was too cold to be doing things outdoors, then she would have sent a coat. I really am getting a complex when I see how often I perceive things differently than the majority. One more MOO~

Please know that you are not alone there! I agree with all of your comments above.

 

[Seek&Find]

I don't have a link, but it is from the first video interview IIRC when MR said (paraphrasing) we hardly had a chance to talk about the new house. Of all things to mention...the new house.

SBM That was weird! Iirc, although Mark can't get through an interview without mentioning Elaine and often Cory, I don't think I've ever seen him say a word about Michael. It's almost like Mark just can't handle acknowledging Michael's existence, role, etc.

moo

 

[Tennlyn]

Many woman get strong and independent after the relationship & trauma is over and healing is in progress. It can take many years depending on the circumstances IMO. Many women also do not repeat the cycle and learn what to look for the next relationship. Age also brings confidence and wisdom JMO.:great:

I don't have a link, but it is from the first video interview IIRC when MR said (paraphrasing) we hardly had a chance to talk about the new house. Of all things to mention...the new house.

Which does make me wonder if Dylan brought up how great the house that Mike built them is, how cool Mike is, etc. :moo:

My son once wrote a paper on how cool his stepdad is. I asked the teacher NOT to show it to his father. Thank goodness I got to that parent-teacher conference early! :moo:

 

[Confusion]

SBM

Mark interrupted quite a bit, and he was the insulting one, IMO. "What kind of mother", "Well, boy" etc. And not once did Dr Phil say anything that could be construed as "shut up", IMO. It'd be interesting to see what quotes you're referencing.

Rant? Wow. Elaine & Cory believe Mark's involved in Dylan's disappearance and may have harmed him. He was the last one to see Dylan, his stories don't add up, and he won't answer their questions about that day, or follow through on his own promises to help clear himself. Are they angry, scared, and frustrated? Yes. Did they "rant"? Not in my opinion!

Moo

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BBM

That's the way you see it, and your opinion is that they were just speaking in anger/fear/frustration. I see it as a rant, and my opinion is that it was a rant. Funny how that works. I won't try to force my opinion on you, and I hope you won't try to force yours on me. Thanks.

MOO