CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #42

[Seajay]

Please know that you are not alone there! I agree with all of your comments above.

I do too. As someone who was accused of things they didn't do, and know how that feels, I'm really slow to judge anyone based on what has come out. Nothing yet has shown me that MR took, harmed or killed Dylan. Nothing yet has even shown me he got mad at him. IMO

 

[Ghostwheel]

There's only one thing I can think of that Dylan might say that would upset him enough to actually hurt him, and that is that Mike is a better father than he could ever be and he's glad they're going to be a family. I just don't believe he'd say it, but anything is possible.

I personally don't see the controlling behavior in him, though, so maybe I am just totally missing things. What I saw on DP was DP asking him a question, MR starting to answer and one of the other people interrupting him to yell and/or insult him, accuse him of lying, or whatever. He usually shut up until the rant was over, tried to defend himself, and DP would more or less tell him to shut up - which he did. His exes were both strong, intelligent women, and I find it hard to think of them as being easily controlled/manipulated by someone who seems so inept at it. I'm not saying either woman has lied about what happened, but I wonder if the reasons for his actions were what everybody thinks they are. (No offense intended to either ex. I see nothing wrong with being strong, intelligent and not easily controlled!) MOO

Interesting! You saw something completely different than I did on Dr. Phil. I saw a man who likes to talk and take center stage. Who talked a lot and was only interrupted when he kept talking about things that weren't asked or just did not answer the question. I also saw someone who interrupted others sometimes, as well. I did not see a person who did not get to speak or was constantly interrupted.

BTW, I could see Dylan saying he didn't want to stay at Marks house (maybe because it was so isolated) and he wanted to spend his vacation with his friends. I could also see Mark wanting to do things with his son and Dylan saying he didn't want to do that. Having witnessed first hand the violent reactions of some people (fathers and mothers) who got the "I don't want to spend time with you!" from their kids, anything is possible. (I've seen some heavy hits on friends when I was a kid-if a friend had fallen into a table or onto a slate floor or onto a rock, and hit his head, they wouldn't have lived.)

 

[cluciano63]

If indeed MR is not prime suspect #1, then I do not see how how LE has any idea what has become of Dylan. I can't imagine they have any clues or bits of evidence at all, that point to any scenario not involving him, as what such evidence could they have that still makes it all so unclear as to whether he was abducted or not? I believe if LE has found any traces of a stranger in the house, or any sign of a scuffle, etc. we would be hearing that this is believed to be an abduction for sure. I hate my feeling that LE has really very little to go on.

LE in the case of Holly Bobo gave out that "one clue away" phrase almost two years ago. Seriously, aren't all unsolved crimes basically one clue away? It is meaningless, Imo.

 

[Seek&Find]

It was strange too, in the Blasius interview that Mark said "dump him off" in reference to Dylan. He'd already said the phrase "drop him off" twice prior to that in the same interview. Freudian slip?

Moo

 

[Ghostwheel]

My fear is that MR had nothing to do with it, but all of the accusations and rumors will eventually set off the wrong person who will do something to him and everybody else will just consider the case solved. MOO


The first few times he spoke, everybody was pointing out the fact that he always said I and accused him of only thinking of himself instead of Dylan. It was also said that Elaine used "we" as much as he used "I", but those same people said it was totally different. I'm thinking he read enough of those comments to make him decide to use "we" instead of "I" to get the focus off him. Obviously, that didn't work! MOO again.



She interrupted him when he talked about him possibly doing something (can't remember what, maybe going to the bridge or rock wall?) and said something about it being November, which sounded like she thought it was too cold to do it. He responded to that by saying she hadn't sent a coat with him. I thought at the time that he was just saying that he thought that if she believed it was too cold to be doing things outdoors, then she would have sent a coat. I really am getting a complex when I see how often I perceive things differently than the majority. One more MOO~

BBM: I don't want you to get a complex, and I really want to know the answer to the questions I am asking. Did you think it was appropriate for Mark to be accusing Elaine of not sending a coat with Dylan when the discussion was not what Dylan brought, but why it was unlikely that Dylan would have walked nearly six miles to his friends house? You see, to me, and I allot that I am really attuned to blame shifting, Mark was in the hot seat over not wondering where Dylan was when he got home, writing it off to his son walking six miles to his friends house without a jacket (obviously something Mark knew about-he left his son at home without a jacket). The ONLY reason I can see for bringing up the jacket, was to shift blame. I guess my real question is then, what other reason could there be for bringing up the lack of jacket? What was the point, if not to try to make Elaine look bad? (I also allow that the answer can simply be he felt attacked so tit for tat back at her).

Thank you in advance.

 

[ColdHands]

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2013/02/...d-continues-to-devote-many-resources-to-case/

“Investigators say they have a wealth of evidence, but still no leads and no named suspect.

We have gathered so many little pieces of evidence, it’s kind of like a jigsaw puzzle and now you’re just looking for that one piece to bring everything together,” Bender said.

I think they have a lot of evidence. But not evidence that is leading them anywhere. I believe they have not ruled out a stranger abduction just as they have not ruled out that Dylan was harmed by his father. I believe they have not ruled out Mark as a possible perpetrator but they also haven't ruled out anyone else, except in some fashion, the 9 RSOs in the area.

 

[Seek&Find]

BBM: I don't want you to get a complex, and I really want to know the answer to the questions I am asking. Did you think it was appropriate for Mark to be accusing Elaine of not sending a coat with Dylan when the discussion was not what Dylan brought, but why it was unlikely that Dylan would have walked nearly six miles to his friends house? You see, to me, and I allot that I am really attuned to blame shifting, Mark was in the hot seat over not wondering where Dylan was when he got home, writing it off to his son walking six miles to his friends house without a jacket (obviously something Mark knew about-he left his son at home without a jacket). The ONLY reason I can see for bringing up the jacket, was to shift blame. I guess my real question is then, what other reason could there be for bringing up the lack of jacket? What was the point, if not to try to make Elaine look bad? (I also allow that the answer can simply be he felt attacked so tit for tat back at her).

Thank you in advance.

I agree. If Mark was concerned about the coat issue, he could've bought him one at Walmart, or loaned him one for the duration of the visit. The fact that Mark has never said a sweatshirt, jacket, or coat was also missing from the house, in addition to Dylan's backpack, belongings, and the seemingly important fishing pole, blows his statements about Dylan walking off out of the water, IMO.

It was an attempt to bait Elaine and divert the conversation, IMO.

Moo

 

[Ghostwheel]

If indeed MR is not prime suspect #1, then I do not see how how LE has any idea what has become of Dylan. I can't imagine they have any clues or bits of evidence at all, that point to any scenario not involving him, as what such evidence could they have that still makes it all so unclear as to whether he was abducted or not? I believe if LE has found any traces of a stranger in the house, or any sign of a scuffle, etc. we would be hearing that this is believed to be an abduction for sure. I hate my feeling that LE has really very little to go on.

LE in the case of Holly Bobo gave out that "one clue away" phrase almost two years ago. Seriously, aren't all unsolved crimes basically one clue away? It is meaningless, Imo.

Sad to say, LE did not find Shawn Hornbeck. Finding him was a byproduct of finding Ben Ownby.

 

[Seek&Find]

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2013/02/...d-continues-to-devote-many-resources-to-case/


I think they have a lot of evidence. But not evidence that is leading them anywhere. I believe they have not ruled out a stranger abduction just as they have not ruled out that Dylan was harmed by his father. I believe they have not ruled out Mark as a possible perpetrator but they also haven't ruled out anyone else, except in some fashion, the 9 RSOs in the area.

I took the leads comment to mean nothing leading to the location of Dylan/his body yet. Moo

 

[Abstar80]

Ok...Here is another one of my questions (which you are all probably getting sick of!!!!:blushing:

What size was the backpack? Was it a school bag size or more of a larger pack than a backpack as such. And was that the only bag he took with him?

The reason I ask is because even though he is a 13 year old boy, wouldn't he require more items than what could fit in a backpack for a week, considering that MR lives in a rural setting, clothes get dirty mucking around out side. And lets be honest men don't do washing as much as women do. My point. If I was sending my 13 year old away for a week, he would need more than a backpack of items. Especially considering the weather was cooling off and winter clothes take up more space than light weight summer clothes. Did he just have one pair of shoes with him? All these things make me wonder why he had such a small pack with him?

Not sure if anyone can see the point I am making here, but is it possible he was only sent with a small pack because someone knew he wouldn't be there for that long and thus not require a full weeks worth of clothes? JMO

 

[Ghostwheel]

Ok...Here is another one of my questions (which you are all probably getting sick of!!!!:blushing:

What size was the backpack? Was it a school bag size or more of a larger pack than a backpack as such. And was that the only bag he took with him?

The reason I ask is because even though he is a 13 year old boy, wouldn't he require more items than what could fit in a backpack for a week, considering that MR lives in a rural setting, clothes get dirty mucking around out side. And lets be honest men don't do washing as much as women do. My point. If I was sending my 13 year old away for a week, he would need more than a backpack of items. Especially considering the weather was cooling off and winter clothes take up more space than light weight summer clothes. Did he just have one pair of shoes with him? All these things make me wonder why he had such a small pack with him?

Not sure if anyone can see the point I am making here, but is it possible he was only sent with a small pack because someone knew he wouldn't be there for that long and thus not require a full weeks worth of clothes? JMO

I completely get your point, and the only things I can tell you are:
My 13 year old son can wear the same clothes for a week if no one tells him to change. He can fit four outfits (6 pair of underwear and 5 pair of socks, as well) and his electronics in his backpack(school sized) but he doesn't wear pants unless it is snowing. Jackets often get forgotten on trips. If we need one, we buy one when we get there. My son's feet grow so fast, he only HAS one pair of shoes that will fit at any given time. Last trip, the new shoes we bought were defective, so (got to love Costco) we had to trade them in for a new pair. On the average, guys don't need all the extras girls do.

 

[Seek&Find]

The backpack can be seen in the airport pic. Both Elaine and Mark agreed Dylan didn't change his clothes often. In fact, Mark said Dylan went missing Monday in the same clothes he wore Sunday. As others have said, a pair or two of pants, several shirts, undies, socks, iPod and chargers would easily fit in the backpack he had, IMO. Plus, Mark said Dylan didn't bring any games in his backpack, so it doesn't sound like there was much extraneous gear in it. It's also pretty common for kids to have clothes at both parents' homes. My son has some extra things at dad's.

Moo

 

[Ronald99]

Can someone that remembers the reason MR was so positive Dylan's Fishing Pole was missing please post it.

It seems like MR stated he had it out in the open, if that's true, then where was his and the other fishing gear, tackle box fishing net ?

 

[Seek&Find]

Can someone that remembers the reason MR was so positive Dylan's Fishing Pole was missing please post it.

It seems like MR stated he had it out in the open, if that's true, then where was his and the other fishing gear, tackle box fishing net ?

MR:
To respond to that, if I may, I attempted to go to T’s house to talk to him but he didn’t answer the door. I assumed that possibly him and Dylan were at the lake. You know the fishing pole has never been found…I assumed that maybe that was a possibility. Do I know for a fact that he had a fishing pole? Absolutely not…

CR:
When you go into your house the fishing pole is in the garage. You didn’t walk through the garage and into the house before you went into the house...

MR:
There’s several places that that fishing pole is… it was either next to the TV

CR:
It’s always in the garage. Then how come that’s the first …you noticed that before his bike? Before his footprints?

Dr Phil 2

 

[Confusion]

BBM: I don't want you to get a complex, and I really want to know the answer to the questions I am asking. Did you think it was appropriate for Mark to be accusing Elaine of not sending a coat with Dylan when the discussion was not what Dylan brought, but why it was unlikely that Dylan would have walked nearly six miles to his friends house? You see, to me, and I allot that I am really attuned to blame shifting, Mark was in the hot seat over not wondering where Dylan was when he got home, writing it off to his son walking six miles to his friends house without a jacket (obviously something Mark knew about-he left his son at home without a jacket). The ONLY reason I can see for bringing up the jacket, was to shift blame. I guess my real question is then, what other reason could there be for bringing up the lack of jacket? What was the point, if not to try to make Elaine look bad? (I also allow that the answer can simply be he felt attacked so tit for tat back at her).

Thank you in advance.

In my memory, the discussion was about where he thought Dylan might have been/gone, or what might have happened to him. He mentioned the campground, river, bridge and rock wall, and she interrupted by saying, "In November?" That had nothing to do with what he was saying, because the weather was still fairly warm for that time of year. I happen to agree that if she thought it was too cold to be out for any length of time (knowing that he and his friends would likely spend a couple of days running around outside) that she should have made sure he brought a coat/jacket with him. I really couldn't say if either comment was appropriate at that time though. MOO

 

[SCHMAE]

Can someone that remembers the reason MR was so positive Dylan's Fishing Pole was missing please post it.

It seems like MR stated he had it out in the open, if that's true, then where was his and the other fishing gear, tackle box fishing net ?

Nice ! First time I've heard that asked that I can remember. Can you fish or would you fish with just the pole?

 

[Seajay]

As far as the fishing pole, MR may have gotten it out of the garage and put it in the house in anticipation of Dylan's visit. When my grandkids come to visit, I go out in the garage and get the two big toy bins I have for them. I usually don't keep them in the house when they are not here.

 

[Seek&Find]

Nice ! First time I've heard that asked that I can remember. Can you fish or would you fish with just the pole?

You'd need a hook and bait at a minimum, I think.

 

[SCHMAE]

In my memory, the discussion was about where he thought Dylan might have been/gone, or what might have happened to him. He mentioned the campground, river, bridge and rock wall, and she interrupted by saying, "In November?" That had nothing to do with what he was saying, because the weather was still fairly warm for that time of year. I happen to agree that if she thought it was too cold to be out for any length of time (knowing that he and his friends would likely spend a couple of days running around outside) that she should have made sure he brought a coat/jacket with him. I really couldn't say if either comment was appropriate at that time though. MOO

I will just say that when my son was about that age, give or take a year, we had an outdoor Christmas concert for my daughter's choir. It ended up being one of the coldest nights in YEARS for this part of Texas. The temp outside was about 6 to 9 degrees, single digit, not including the wind. My son REFUSED to take a heavy coat from the car because it would not look cool. I thought of fighting him on it, but I didn't want a battle before a Christmas concert so my words were something like " i dont want to hear a word about you being cold' and he agreed. So he was a popsicle, learned a good lesson , he did not complain, but he was in PAIN from the cold. He did have on a long sleeve shirt, maybe , but nothing more. So , I don't know DR but I know boys and even girls of that age are full of UNIVERSAL KNOWLEDGE and I would think , living most of his life in CO, he knew or thought he did whether or not he should pack a coat . It's possible he forgot or did it to spite mom or just didn't think he had room because he wanted to pack light. That it's even become a point that MR wanted heard is curious but in the bigger picture, I just don't know that it's that big a deal. I guess we will see........like every other answer in this quest !

 

[Confusion]

Nice ! First time I've heard that asked that I can remember. Can you fish or would you fish with just the pole?

When we fished without adults along, we used to just use a bamboo pole and earthworms we dug up or a rod and reel with a can of corn. If we were lucky, someone would remember to bring a couple extra hooks and sinkers, but we usually just went home when the last line broke.