CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #42

[Dee10]

I found it interesting that someone opined that Tristan was needed to introduce the fishing pole and make the gone fishin' story seem plausible. I think that is very interesting because we now have 3 versions of MR at Tristan's house, which seems very odd.:waitasec:

 

[SCHMAE]

I found it interesting that someone opined that Tristan was needed to introduce the fishing pole and make the gone fishin' story seem plausible. I think that is very interesting because we now have 3 versions of MR at Tristan's house, which seems very odd.:waitasec:

I'm sorry I dont understand what you mean . tks

 

[Seek&Find]

Melissa Blasius:
Umm…you’ve kind of shied away from the cameras over the last couple of months. Why sit down now and talk to me like this?

Mark Redwine:
Because the focus needs to stay on Dylan and whatever it’s going to take to find him, and what I’ve noticed over the last little bit, is there’s not as much attention in the media and Dylan as maybe there should be.

Same interview:

Mark Redwine:
"I know that law enforcement is doing everything possible. They’re doing what they think they need to be doing, which is another reason why I tend to not participate in as much media as maybe my ex-wife does because I believe in letting the investigation run its natural course."

Blasius BBM

 

[Seek&Find]

When we fished without adults along, we used to just use a bamboo pole and earthworms we dug up or a rod and reel with a can of corn. If we were lucky, someone would remember to bring a couple extra hooks and sinkers, but we usually just went home when the last line broke.

Dylan had made no plans to meet anyone to fish, nothing else that could be used as bait was reported missing from the house, and digging for earthworms in the Colorado mountains in Nov would likely be unproductive and difficult, especially with no tools to do so. The only things reported missing from the house were Dylan, his belongings and backpack, and a fishing pole. No tools, tackle, food, jackets, etc. And didn't Mark say Dylan was "adamant" about snacks? If a growing teen boy were to think he'd kill time waiting for dad by fishing (even though it appears he'd never done that before), wouldn't he take snacks, etc with him and leave a note/turn on his phone, so his dad knew where to find him so he could get the ride to his friends' he was waiting for?

Moo

 

[Dee10]

MR didn't give an interview until almost 2 weeks later & in that lst interview mentioned the missing fishing pole. People, probably LE weren't buying Dylan went fishing alone ~ doesn't make sense. But, if Dylan went to T's house lst, T isn't home...leading to the assumption that he would have just went on to the marina to fish on his own. See that doesn't make sense either that he would have even went to T's house as their were no plans, unless there are texts that we aren't aware of. You can't make sense of the unsensible, but there is a reason for 3 different versions + that darn fishing pole and he brought it up in connection with T on DP. Would this be around the area the dogs hit on?

 

[deoneta]

Same interview:

Blasius BBM

I just wanted to say that you've made a lot of great points this afternoon by simply letting MR speak for himself. Thank you/

 

[Abstar80]

I completely get your point, and the only things I can tell you are:
My 13 year old son can wear the same clothes for a week if no one tells him to change. He can fit four outfits (6 pair of underwear and 5 pair of socks, as well) and his electronics in his backpack(school sized) but he doesn't wear pants unless it is snowing. Jackets often get forgotten on trips. If we need one, we buy one when we get there. My son's feet grow so fast, he only HAS one pair of shoes that will fit at any given time. Last trip, the new shoes we bought were defective, so (got to love Costco) we had to trade them in for a new pair. On the average, guys don't need all the extras girls do.

Thankyou for clearing that up....It just seemed odd to me that even though your son doesn't change his clothes often that you wouldn't send more clothes with him..JMO....And I have 2 girls..so yeah we need a removalist van every time we go away for the night!!!!

 

[Seek&Find]

I just wanted to say that you've made a lot of great points this afternoon by simply letting MR speak for himself. Thank you/

Thank you. :blushing:

I'm sure LE loves it when he speaks!

Moo

 

[ColdHands]

Nice ! First time I've heard that asked that I can remember. Can you fish or would you fish with just the pole?

If it was a fly fishing pole, it could have been stored with the fly still on and ready to go. Probably not the best way to store it, but it could be that they stored it that way because Dylan was not proficient yet.

Imo

 

[Salem]

The member's only thread is open, right here: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=200917"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

Remember what is said in that thread, stays in that thread and is not discusable here. The thread will be left open for an hour or so after the show.

Salem

 

[Seajay]

If it was a fly fishing pole, it could have been stored with the fly still on and ready to go. Probably not the best way to store it, but it could be that they stored it that way because Dylan was not proficient yet.

Imo

My Dad use to take my brothers fly fishing on the weekends and their poles were always set up already, they were stored that way. When we went on vacation to Sequoia or Lake Tahoe or Yosemite, the poles went in and they were always set up. JMO

 

[pattywack]

MR didn't give an interview until almost 2 weeks later & in that lst interview mentioned the missing fishing pole. People, probably LE weren't buying Dylan went fishing alone ~ doesn't make sense. But, if Dylan went to T's house lst, T isn't home...leading to the assumption that he would have just went on to the marina to fish on his own. See that doesn't make sense either that he would have even went to T's house as their were no plans, unless there are texts that we aren't aware of. You can't make sense of the unsensible, but there is a reason for 3 different versions + that darn fishing pole and he brought it up in connection with T on DP. Would this be around the area the dogs hit on?

If we are going on the scenerio that MR did something to DR on the Sunday evening and thus came up with the fishing theory perhaps the 9:37 text was to T asking if he wanted to go fishing in the morning.

 

[JustJeannie]

Snipped by me. Until recently, I really thought there was a good possibility that MR wasn't responsible for Dylan's disappearance. And when I'd see posters here disecting a video, I'd think about how my take on his behavior was so totally different than theirs. I saw a man who I thought was very well restrained given the arrows that ER was slinging and knowing how much scrutiny he was under. I felt that people were dissecting every word and behavior of his as if there was some standard by which every parent of a missing child should behave and by which he was failing. And I felt that was unfair since not everyone reacts the same.

But now, I do believe MR knows exactly what happened to DR, and every time I go back and rewatch a video or see something he has said, it reinforces that belief. And I understand what others are saying about the things he says, the way he behaves and even the ways he doesn't behave. I don't have time right now to explain further as I'm heading out the door, but I'll just say that my 180 is not based on some new look at the evidence or lack thereof, but solely on MR's actions and words. There are just some things that I don't think can be explained away by saying that not everyone reacts the same way when their child is missing.

ETA: I could be totally wrong in my assessment - I was possibly wrong in thinking that he was innocent, so I could be wrong in thinking he's not.

The thanks button just wasn't enough for your post. I could have written the same thing myself. I really didn't believe Mark had anything to do with this... and then he started talking. The more he talked, the more questions I had. After the MB interview, I was barely hanging on the fence. The DP show knocked me off.

What changed for me, like you, was based on Mark's words and actions. Without those, I am sure I would probably still be hanging on the fence, because I hate the idea of believing a parent could do something to their child, and because i have known someone whose life was torn apart by a false accusation. That's probably why I stayed on the fence for as long as I did.

Do I know he's guilty of something? Of course I don't... none of us really know. But his words and actions have definitely pushed me into believing he knows a lot more than he is saying, and most likely is involved somehow. Memories can be faulty and fade over time, but not to the extent his stories seem to change. Especially over something as earth shattering and important as the day your child went missing. And his reactions to the whole thing are off to me. While everyone doesn't react the same in a situation, there is too much that seems wrong to me to accept it as that. JMO as always.

I said it the day the DP show aired, and I'll say it again. Whether Mark is innocent or guilty, he is his own worst enemy. Every time he speaks, he seems to make things worse for himself. If I were his attorney, I would be duct taping his mouth shut from this moment forward. And if I were LE, I would be encouraging him to keep talking. MOO

 

[Ghostwheel]

Thankyou for clearing that up....It just seemed odd to me that even though your son doesn't change his clothes often that you wouldn't send more clothes with him..JMO....And I have 2 girls..so yeah we need a removalist van every time we go away for the night!!!!

Well, he does change his clothes because we make him, but my son packs his own bags, and we all pack light. Normally when we go on trips, we stay in a house with a washing machine and dryer, which Dylan would also have had at Mark's house. When you have a washing machine and dryer, you pack light. If you are only gone for 7 days, who needs more than four outfits and 6 pair of underwear? You can wear each outfit 2 days, you are wearing a pair of underwear so only need 6 more, you get my drift.

Funny slightly O/T, one of my daughter's friend's was coming on a trip with us. She showed up with one of the huge suitcases, a giant purse and a carryon suitcase. We had three small suitcases for four people, plus our small backpacks, which were not even completely filled. The wimminfolk in our family do not carry purses on trips, just backpacks.

 

[TGIRecovered]

This is much more common than many folks believe. When we are young, we don't often see a person for what and who they are. We are a bit more visceral at that age. Sexual attraction, "chemistry", wanting a relationship, marriage, children; the whole conquest is so much more important than finding someone who meets the criteria of mutual respect, common interests, kindness, compatibility. We don't always recognize that the person we married has deep psychological issues, as we are inexperienced and not trained in psychiatric issues. Sometimes we even believe that it is our fault that things are not going well so we make the effort to "work things out" because by that point, we already have children and as such, we have been conditioned to "work on the marriage". Women especially view a failed marriage as "their fault" and tend to stay longer than they should "for the sake of the children". As we mature, we begin to recognize that it isn't "us", it's simply that we made a bad choice. At that point, we may focus on a career or learn how to avoid confrontation (walk on eggshells), or we may turn to drinking, drugs, affairs, etc. to "escape" the person we live with...all of that to save ourselves.
Some women have a lower threshold than others for living with this. Some get out early and some (typically the ones who blame themselves) stay longer. Other's don't ever recognize they are living with a "monster" and remain for life. Bear in mind, the abuser is always manipulating this situation to create the "ideal" he desires. It is very difficult for anyone who hasn't lived through something like this to completely understand.

Excellent post!!!

I have yet to find a pastor, counselor, or even a psychologist who doesn't insist that it always takes two people to ruin marriage, or that the wife can change the husband by changing her own behavior.

The fact is that this type of man can't be changed by anyone but himself. No amount of patience, love, reasoning, or kindness will fix him. MOO





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[*Lash*]

You'd need a hook and bait at a minimum, I think.

All which can be left on the pole and stored in this manner. You don't need to attach a hook or fly-lure every time you go fishing. Professionals or more avid fishers would carry a tackle box, not necessarily a teen just messing around for fun. Fly rods can usually be broken down into 4 pieces.

ETA - earthworms are not used to fly fish.

 

[cluciano63]

I thought the whole "fly fishing" thing came from a facebook rumor?

 

[nikb]

I thought the whole "fly fishing" thing came from a facebook rumor?

I think you're right. Seems I remember a mod saying that.

I have been in major catch up mode plus had to kinda force myself off of here for awhile. Too many nightmares, too much feeling helpless. I skimmed and caught up, I think. I wish we knew more. My heart breaks for this family.

One thing I wanted to quickly reply to though because the fly fishing discussion caught my attention. I remember reading about the Mom of one of Dylan's friends saying that Dylan and her son were thinking about taking a fly fishing class, something along those lines. I don't recall if it was in an article or a transcript, or paraphrased by a reporter, but I am fairly sure I didn't read it on FB. It was really early on, I think before I was looking much at the official FB page. I don't have time to look for it right now, but if someone doesn't beat me to it I'll see if I can find it later tonight or early tomorrow.

If it does turn out to be FB rumor I'll delete this if it isn't too late, or at least post an update about what I find.

ETA just saw your new post Seek & Find. Just wanted to acknowledge that you hadn't said it was a fly fishing pole and I don't think the type of pole MR says is missing has been specified. I don't fish, but from reading recent posts here from those who do it sounds like a fly fishing pole might not need as much extra "stuff" with it - bait, tackle box, etc. (I could be wrong)

 

[cluciano63]

I think someone posted on FB that supposedly Dylan was in a FF class with her son at one time. No verification followed, as far as I know.

 

[Seek&Find]

I thought the whole "fly fishing" thing came from a facebook rumor?

Confirmed. It was a FB rumor posted in thread # 12 for Dylan.