CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #42

[Confusion]

Okay, I decided it's time for me to come up with something different.

Maybe Dylan woke up that morning and walked down to the campground to waste some time until Mark got back. If he was as tired of the hostility between his parents as a lot of people would be, he may not have been in the best of moods; especially if Mark was actually grilling him about the new house, the new "family", new school, etc., and if Elaine had made a lot of comments (which many of us do) about hoping his dad didn't forget, isn't late, is sober, etc.

It's been said that there are many homeless people who live at the campgrounds; maybe one was a slightly older boy who had run away himself and made life on the road sound better than his current life seemed at that moment. They could have walked back to the house so Dylan could grab his backpack (and maybe even a fishing pole!), and then took off to try hitching a ride to a warmer state with a camping area they could use since Colorado would be getting a bit frigid for outdoor living soon. If his phone battery was dead, he wouldn't be able to charge it anywhere along the road, and pay phones are almost impossible to find these days if he had any money for calling. I'm also not sure how many kids his age have ever had to make a collect call, so it's hard to say if finding a payphone would even be that helpful.

Once on the road, they could have gotten a ride from a less than helpful person, or they may have actually gotten a ride far enough away to be out of the state before he was reported missing. Two young teens who haven't bathed in weeks/months hanging out somewhere 1000 miles away might not draw a lot of attention even if there are people looking for one of them. I know I'm really grasping at straws with this one, but somebody has to try to give Seajay some hope. MOO

 

[absentia]

It's warm to me! Around here in November, people are usually pleasantly surprised if it's still above freezing. I know we've been having a heatwave here for a while - in the upper 20s and low 30s for a good week now! :great:

He said that he had asked Dylan if he had a coat with him and he had said no. I thought he might have asked about buying some movies because he didn't bring his games with him.I've never heard that he said the phone was in the backpack; I just remember him saying that the phone, backpack and everything was gone. MOO


I would say yes, they do fish in November. http://troutsflyfishing.com/blog/ar...o-fly-fishing-takes-on-special-hue-in-autumn/

For the record, you don't use baits for fly casting, you use "flies". Since live bait isn't allowed, I would imagine that most people probably use lures, which usually don't have much smell. MOO

in Colorado, it's so dry with so much sun that 30-47 degrees feels like 50-65 in a place like Seattle - with high moisture and not a lot of direct sun. If there's no snow on the ground (no moisture evaporating) 30-40 can be pretty comfortable, if no wind.

 

[absentia]

I'm not sure. I think there are several holes like this that we should have heard of by now and we haven't. I posted a list of "who hasn't come forward" the other day, and the recipient of that 9:37 text was on it. Along with the owner of the fishing pole and the boys that were walking on the road. The WS posters response was that no one would come forward or allow a young person to come forward to be harassed and attacked - look at what happened to the mail lady.

how do you know who the recipient of the 9:37 text was?

 

[Seajay]

Okay, I decided it's time for me to come up with something different.

Maybe Dylan woke up that morning and walked down to the campground to waste some time until Mark got back. If he was as tired of the hostility between his parents as a lot of people would be, he may not have been in the best of moods; especially if Mark was actually grilling him about the new house, the new "family", new school, etc., and if Elaine had made a lot of comments (which many of us do) about hoping his dad didn't forget, isn't late, is sober, etc.

It's been said that there are many homeless people who live at the campgrounds; maybe one was a slightly older boy who had run away himself and made life on the road sound better than his current life seemed at that moment. They could have walked back to the house so Dylan could grab his backpack (and maybe even a fishing pole!), and then took off to try hitching a ride to a warmer state with a camping area they could use since Colorado would be getting a bit frigid for outdoor living soon. If his phone battery was dead, he wouldn't be able to charge it anywhere along the road, and pay phones are almost impossible to find these days if he had any money for calling. I'm also not sure how many kids his age have ever had to make a collect call, so it's hard to say if finding a payphone would even be that helpful.

Once on the road, they could have gotten a ride from a less than helpful person, or they may have actually gotten a ride far enough away to be out of the state before he was reported missing. Two young teens who haven't bathed in weeks/months hanging out somewhere 1000 miles away might not draw a lot of attention even if there are people looking for one of them. I know I'm really grasping at straws with this one, but somebody has to try to give Seajay some hope. MOO

Thanks This is possible. I know the times I've gone camping in the past few years, there has been homeless people at the campgrounds. We've given them food and any shower tokens we had left. A couple of years ago a group I was with had several things stolen at night. Firewood, an ice chest, a lantern, a lawn chair. All things the homeless would need and can't afford.

Since it's warmer out here, we do get a lot of homeless in our campgrounds.

 

[Seajay]

It's getting harder and harder to hold out hope that Dylan is alive. I don't want him to be dead and I don't want his father to have killed him. But as time goes by it's harder to believe he's alive somewhere. Especially since MR isn't helping himself very much by some of the statements he's made in the press and on Dr. Phil. He really is his own worst enemy.

One way or the other, I really hope for answers and a conclusion to this. If MR did this, he's not going to be very popular in prison.

I've given him every benefit of the doubt and he hasn't given anything good to work with. Right now, everything is circumstantial. I am still looking for the smoking gun. IMO, JMO, MOO

 

[Seek&Find]

It's been said that there are many homeless people who live at the campgrounds;

I know I'm really grasping at straws with this one

SBM

Fully acknowledging the last statement here, I still must ask if you have a link about there being many homeless in the campground near Mark's house. I haven't seen one.

There are many reasons why I find this theory untenable, especially in light of Mark's behavior, but playing along a bit, I can't see any reason that they'd stop back by the house and only grab Dylan's backpack and fishing pole. If two teens decided to hit the road, they'd grab food, a coat or additional layers, perhaps items to sell for cash, etc. There are more holes in this IMO, but I'll leave it at that.

Moo

 

[Seek&Find]

A couple of years ago a group I was with had several things stolen at night. Firewood, an ice chest, a lantern, a lawn chair. All things the homeless would need and can't afford.

SBM. And this anecdotal bit goes exactly to my point of the implausibility that Dylan and mystery homeless guy would take nothing from the house for their use on the road.

Moo

 

[cluciano63]

I'm afraid there will never be a "smoking gun" , even if Dylan is found. Suppose he is found in the lake-what does that really prove? A lake is often a disposal site.

The only way I can see a solid case is if Dylan is found and found somewhere other than the lake, and evidence of a perp is found with him, or a very specific ping we do not know about places MR there.

 

[Allusonz]

Okay, I decided it's time for me to come up with something different.

Maybe Dylan woke up that morning and walked down to the campground to waste some time until Mark got back. If he was as tired of the hostility between his parents as a lot of people would be, he may not have been in the best of moods; especially if Mark was actually grilling him about the new house, the new "family", new school, etc., and if Elaine had made a lot of comments (which many of us do) about hoping his dad didn't forget, isn't late, is sober, etc.

It's been said that there are many homeless people who live at the campgrounds; maybe one was a slightly older boy who had run away himself and made life on the road sound better than his current life seemed at that moment. They could have walked back to the house so Dylan could grab his backpack (and maybe even a fishing pole!), and then took off to try hitching a ride to a warmer state with a camping area they could use since Colorado would be getting a bit frigid for outdoor living soon. If his phone battery was dead, he wouldn't be able to charge it anywhere along the road, and pay phones are almost impossible to find these days if he had any money for calling. I'm also not sure how many kids his age have ever had to make a collect call, so it's hard to say if finding a payphone would even be that helpful.

Once on the road, they could have gotten a ride from a less than helpful person, or they may have actually gotten a ride far enough away to be out of the state before he was reported missing. Two young teens who haven't bathed in weeks/months hanging out somewhere 1000 miles away might not draw a lot of attention even if there are people looking for one of them. I know I'm really grasping at straws with this one, but somebody has to try to give Seajay some hope. MOO

I have looked at this runaway scenerio every way I can.

I know there are online guides for runaways, undergrounds, but for some reason, even with all the changes going on his life, it does not strike me as being a runaway.

 

[Seek&Find]

I'm afraid there will never be a "smoking gun" , even if Dylan is found. Suppose he is found in the lake-what does that really prove? A lake is often a disposal site.

The only way I can see a solid case is if Dylan is found and found somewhere other than the lake, and evidence of a perp is found with him, or a very specific ping we do not know about places MR there.

A circumstantial case could be made against Mark, I think, if Dylan was found in the lake, for example. He gave an improbable story linking Dylan to the lake, there are arguments for motive, means, and opportunity, about a bazillion conflicting statements, etc. Iirc, there wasn't direct physical evidence linking Phylicia Barne's body found in a lake to her perp, but he was found guilty. We still don't know the content of the text, both Dylan's and Mark's ping data, etc. I believe LE when they say they have a wealth of evidence.

We have Mark arriving home at 11:30 and now taking an hour nap (Dr Phil) and starting to look for Dylan at 1:30 (versus the 2:30 Mark said in the Blasius interview). So, we've got two hours of time with Mark at the house(?) doing...? And we've got from 2:30-shortly after 4 when it appears Mark arrived at Nando's. I think there'll be an arrest, and that the pings will not match Mark's changing story/timeline.

Moo

 

[Confusion]

SBM

Fully acknowledging the last statement here, I still must ask if you have a link about there being many homeless in the campground near Mark's house. I haven't seen one.

There are many reasons why I find this theory untenable, especially in light of Mark's behavior, but playing along a bit, I can't see any reason that they'd stop back by the house and only grab Dylan's backpack and fishing pole. If two teens decided to hit the road, they'd grab food, a coat or additional layers, perhaps items to sell for cash, etc. There are more holes in this IMO, but I'll leave it at that.

Moo

Maybe they aren't thieves and only took what belonged to him, MR did say the fishing pole was Dylan's. He may have just run in and grabbed the backpack while the other boy stayed out on the road waiting for him. In spite of the tone of the post, I'll play along a bit and try to dig up one of the links to LE saying there are many homeless people living there and leave it at that. <mod snip>

ETA:

&#8220;There are many homeless people that live up in that area. It could be anyone,&#8221; Hawkins wrote.

http://kdvr.com/2013/02/27/dylan-redwines-family-appears-on-dr-phil-dogs-find-scent-on-lake/

There are many homeless people that live up in that area. It could be anyone.

http://www.facebook.com/pinerivertimes

 

[Allusonz]

It's getting harder and harder to hold out hope that Dylan is alive. I don't want him to be dead and I don't want his father to have killed him. But as time goes by it's harder to believe he's alive somewhere. Especially since MR isn't helping himself very much by some of the statements he's made in the press and on Dr. Phil. He really is his own worst enemy.

One way or the other, I really hope for answers and a conclusion to this. If MR did this, he's not going to be very popular in prison.

I've given him every benefit of the doubt and he hasn't given anything good to work with. Right now, everything is circumstantial. I am still looking for the smoking gun. IMO, JMO, MOO

I can totally relate to holding on to that hope.

Dylan would of been a perfect target to be recruited. They make things sound like a kids dream come true, and feed on the issues that may be going on in the childs life at that moment in time.

((((((((( hugs ))))))))))))

 

[cluciano63]

A circumstantial case could be made against Mark, I think, if Dylan was found in the lake, for example. He gave an improbable story linking Dylan to the lake, there are arguments for motive, means, and opportunity, about a bazillion conflicting statements, etc. Iirc, there wasn't direct physical evidence linking Phylicia Barne's body found in a lake to her perp, but he was found guilty. We still don't know the content of the text, both Dylan's and Mark's ping data, etc. I believe LE when they say they have a wealth of evidence.

We have Mark arriving home at 11:30 and now taking an hour nap (Dr Phil) and starting to look for Dylan at 1:30 (versus the 2:30 Mark said in the Blasius interview). So, we've got two hours of time with Mark at the house(?) doing...? And we've got from 2:30-shortly after 4 when it appears Mark arrived at Nando's. I think there'll be an arrest, and that the pings will not match Mark's changing story/timeline.

Moo

If they have all of that and are just waiting to find Dylan, I worry that if he is not found at all, we end up with another case that goes unresolved, like so many others.

I remember Marc Klaas once saying how it is basically miraculous that the body of a child is ever found, as the world is a huge place and a body so small.

 

[Allusonz]

Maybe they aren't thieves and only took what belonged to him, MR did say the fishing pole was Dylan's. He may have just run in and grabbed the backpack while the other boy stayed out on the road waiting for him. In spite of the tone of the post, I'll play along a bit and try to dig up one of the links to LE saying there are many homeless people living there and leave it at that. MPS

I could see him taking only those items that belonged to him.

IF the fishing pole was beside the TV, and someone came to the door looking for MR, saw Dylan, the person could of said well lets go fish till your dad is ready to return.

The fishing pole would be believable by the TV. It was not believable to me when it was in the garage.

 

[Seek&Find]

Katt was discussing the homeless near the lake in those posts as she was addressing the cadaver hits there, which is approx 6 miles away from Mark's house. Moo

 

[Confusion]

I could see him taking only those items that belonged to him.

IF the fishing pole was beside the TV, and someone came to the door looking for MR, saw Dylan, the person could of said well lets go fish till your dad is ready to return.

The fishing pole would be believable by the TV. It was not believable to me when it was in the garage.

I don't believe the runaway one either, but I feel like I have to throw something out there now and then so MR doesn't just become a done deal here - just in case he really is innocent. I do still believe there's a reasonable possibility that it was the family friend coming to the door, but there's no more proof of that than there is of MR doing it from what I can see. MOO

 

[Confusion]

Katt was discussing the homeless near the lake in those posts as she was addressing the cadaver hits there, which is approx 6 miles away from Mark's house. Moo

Whether that's true or not (and it probably is), does that somehow prove that homeless people lived only at the campground by the lake and not at the one by the river? <modsnip>. MOO

 

[Seajay]

I can totally relate to holding on to that hope.

Dylan would of been a perfect target to be recruited. They make things sound like a kids dream come true, and feed on the issues that may be going on in the childs life at that moment in time.

((((((((( hugs ))))))))))))

You are right, they recuit the vulnerable. Dylan comes from a broken home, with warring parents, probably feel like he's been caught in the middle. The promises a recruiter makes sounds like nirvana. They paint a beautiful picture of family, of community and peace and love. Charles Manson had no problems finding kids who wanted to escape their family life and joining his commune. They later had no problem looking upon him as the Messiah and would kill for him. These types of communes are everywhere. Parents lose their children to them all the time. JMO, IMO, MOO

 

[La Louve]

I could see him taking only those items that belonged to him.

IF the fishing pole was beside the TV, and someone came to the door looking for MR, saw Dylan, the person could of said well lets go fish till your dad is ready to return.

The fishing pole would be believable by the TV. It was not believable to me when it was in the garage.

BBM
I had just the opposite reaction. In the 30 years I have been fishing I have always kept my gear in the garage.

 

[Seajay]

Whether that's true or not (and it probably is), does that somehow prove that homeless people lived only at the campground by the lake and not at the one by the river? <modsnip>. MOO

The homeless will stay wherever they can get away with staying. A river sounds like a nice place to camp.