CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #43

[AnotherSetOfEyes]

Do you have a link to any of that? I read/heard that he did call her from the Marshall's Office, that he never "spoke" to Elaine (had to include this since people always correct me!), Elaine is the one who said they should contact the sheriff, and it's always been said that he contacted the Marshall's Office right away. MOO


I know a lot of people who do/did drink, but very few of them have ever murdered anyone; I wish I could say none. As usual, I read that differently than most seem to. I'd like to know what CR said that led up to him saying that. I read it as: "No, Cory." "No, Dylan, no me." "You Mom has Mike" (or Mike has your Mom?)

What I thought he meant was - Whatever Cory had said was wrong. Dylan was everything to him. At least Elaine had someone to turn to for comfort. MOO



If they hadn't spoken in 3 years, he was probably never asked to go with, or even told where they were going to be/what they were doing. I'll have to say he may have been looking for him by himself during that time since I doubt I could find a link to it after all this time. MOO

You really do make some good arguments here. I don't like to give MR much latitude. But you make some very good points.

 

[ColdHands]

I guess I can understand that. However, if it was my kid, I would ask my neighbor if they could sit at my house while I knocked on some doors on my block or the next one over. I could not just sit there and do nothing. JMO

I totally agree. They would have had to physically restrain me from searching.

ETA: because I'd be concerned they weren't doing it right. As a control freak I wouldn't be able to leave that up to anyone else.

 

[Dee10]

I would like more information concerning that time Dylan was visiting a week, and the ex GF Traveled to stay at MR house _ and she observed Dylan.

I just don't see Dylan's vacation with MR as being enjoyable, I'm wondering if MR arranged for the ex GF to spend that week so Dylan would go home and talk about MR and the new person in his life, maybe thinking Elaine would be jealous.

Reguardless it was childish and disrespectfull that MR arranged that durning Dylan's stay.

BBM I don't remember reading anything about that vacation, but I was just reading about this one that must have been extremely disappointing to Dylan as he never even got to see his friends at all.

from TxJan's transcript:

[FONT=&quot]...we’d been gone probably a couple weeks, you know… he was in a hurry to get back ‘cos he wanted to spend time with his friends. He actually wanted to come here first and spend time with his friends but we were coming in from the East and we were traveling through Colorado Springs, so I suggested to Dylan that, you know, we just contact his mom and make it so that she didn’t have to drive over here, whatever, because she was obviously starting a job at some level, which we all know was Colorado College, I mean, I don’t know Why she tries to hide that from everybody, but, apparently she doesn’t want me to know where she works. It’s not a real stumper.[/FONT]

 

[absentia]

IMO, most of it is the drama surrounding the case. Maybe I'm wrong but I've followed a lot of cases and some of them have been missing a lot longer than he has, and haven't moved past the first thread. Some get resolved very quickly, of course while others seem to never be solved but eventually the drama dies down or people move on to other cases and get bored with the same old, same old.
That along with the fact that Dylan is a good-looking white kid makes a lot of difference, too. I don't know, but when there is a split family and there are either custody issues or possibly abuse of some kind, it grabs people from the very start. Not being found and LE not issuing regular statements and the parents feuding and fighting... that's like reading a good mystery novel to some folks I guess.
Some cases only need a little catch phrase to draw interest... like in Caylee's case it was "Thirty-one days!" I think that got the whole world's attention.
JMHO, and all that.

for me it's the immediate presence of an obvious perp who is lying and feigning being the victim in public, looking for attention and pity, and I want him brought DOWN!
For many cases without an obvious perp, it's harder to stay so compelled b/c for me, I just feel helpless not having any idea of what happened or who did it. But these parents who kill their kids and ask for media attention really piss me off. Like Lisa Irwin's case.
JR's case got me b/c it was so close to my new home and so soon after I moved and it FREAKED ME OUT knowing there was a truly psycho pervert on the loose in my area.

 

[asyousay]

I would like more information concerning that time Dylan was visiting a week, and the ex GF Traveled to stay at MR house _ and she observed Dylan.

I just don't see Dylan's vacation with MR as being enjoyable, I'm wondering if MR arranged for the ex GF to spend that week so Dylan would go home and talk about MR and the new person in his life, maybe thinking Elaine would be jealous.

Reguardless it was childish and disrespectfull that MR arranged that durning Dylan's stay.

It's just another thing about Mark being two faced .

He goes to great pains in one interview to say how its just him and Dylan when Dylan visits him . How its just about them two and blah blah .

Yet now we know that he had a girlfriend or friend stay for a entire week that Dylan was there and it seems mighty odd when you consider how little he saw Dylan that he would invite somebody to stay with them them for his sons stay .

:cow:

 

[La Louve]

I guess I can understand that. However, if it was my kid, I would ask my neighbor if they could sit at my house while I knocked on some doors on my block or the next one over. I could not just sit there and do nothing. JMO

And my guess is if you were the one to stay home you would not be sitting there doing nothing. You would be phoning every friend of your child's, every relative, every parishioner, getting a phone tree going, making coffee for the searchers......anything ......something.

 

[*Lash*]

In my opinion, this statement by MR is a real contradiction when you consider he has refused a second polygraph.

"I would never do anything to harm that boy," Mark said. "I know they are looking at me for being involved at some sort of kidnapping scheme, which is one of the reasons I want them to look closely at me. The more they look at me, the more they are going to realize I have nothing to do with this."

http://www.9news.com/news/article/314078/42/What-happened-to-Dylan-Redwine

 

[eileenhawkeye]

<modsnip>.

I had a question for everyone that should not lead to any debate or ill will.
What is it about Dylan that has captivated us all for so many weeks? There
have been tons of other missing children since and I try to visit as many threads
as possible but this one is STUCK on repeat in my head and I'm sure many of you feel
the same way.
So why Dylan?

I think a very significant reason for it is that there is simply information to discuss. Cases on WS will be talked about for as long as there is *something* to talk about. On an individual level, it varies from person to person why someone is interested in Dylan's case, but not in other active cases on WS. For me, personally, a lot of times my interest in certain cases has to do with timing. There are cases where I somehow don't notice until they are on their 3rd thread, and it's just too hard trying to get caught up.

I do think it's unusual how active Dylan's case discussion has been for the past three months despite the lack of national coverage. I would think out of all the cases on WS that received at least 20,000 posts...Dylan's case has to been one of the least publicized (nationally). I could count on one hand how many national segments this case has had. But I think it shows that in the year 2013, with the Internet, just because a case isn't a media darling it doesn't mean it has to fade into obscurity.

 

[absentia]

In my opinion, this statement by MR is a real contradiction when you consider he has refused a second polygraph.

"I would never do anything to harm that boy," Mark said. "I know they are looking at me for being involved at some sort of kidnapping scheme, which is one of the reasons I want them to look closely at me. The more they look at me, the more they are going to realize I have nothing to do with this."

http://www.9news.com/news/article/314078/42/What-happened-to-Dylan-Redwine

I really wonder when he says "I have nothing to do with this" if he really believes that. It's one of the most direct statements he makes. It is always in the present tense so it may just mean he is having nothing to do with the investigation now. But, if meant in the past tense, could he blame ER and DR so much, as if they "made him do it" that he truly feels no responsibility and therefore no involvement, even if he actually did harm DR?

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Though part of me thinks that that is Dylan in the lake, part of me wonders if he'll ever be found because of what you said above. If the above is true, MR would be sure to hide DR very very well to continue this monstrous charade for a long time, keeping ER always close.

BUT we have to remember that not only did MR recently stop receiving child support income from Elaine, he also had to start paying it to her. This must have enraged him. AND he will have to continue paying it until Dylan is found.

So...from that standpoint it's in his best interest for Dylan to be found and IMHO is one of the main reasons I think Dylan will be found in the lake. MR IMO staged the fishing pole, the attempt to walk to T's story for a reason. To point LE to the lake. He also was angry with LE for not searching the lake sooner.

Listen to what he says. He seems to repeat 'fishing pole' and 'Dylan tried to walk to T's' and not only that, I can't even count how many times he's made reference to 'the lake'.

 

[NC Analyzer]

BBM I don't remember reading anything about that vacation, but I was just reading about this one that must have been extremely disappointing to Dylan as he never even got to see his friends at all.

from TxJan's transcript:

[FONT=&quot]...we’d been gone probably a couple weeks, you know…he was in a hurry to get back ‘cos he wanted to spend time with his friends. He actually wanted to come here first and spend time with his friends but we were coming in from the East and we were traveling through Colorado Springs, so I suggested to Dylan that, you know, we just contact his mom and make it so that she didn’t have to drive over here, whatever, because she was obviously starting a job at some level, which we all know was Colorado College, I mean, I don’t know Why she tries to hide that from everybody, but, apparently she doesn’t want me to know where she works. It’s not a real stumper.[/FONT]

BBM: The manipulation and constant "jabs" from MR never ceases to amaze me. No one asked this question, but he just couldn't resist throwing it into the conversation. He is so good at this crap, most people don't even recognize what he's doing, when he's doing it.
Who cares "why" Elaine hides her employer information? MR DOES. Maybe MR should have asked himself "why" that is instead of throwing it out during this interview. It was irrelevant to anyone except HIM...and the only reason I can see that it was important to him was to take a jab at Elaine. :furious:

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

In my opinion, this statement by MR is a real contradiction when you consider he has refused a second polygraph.

"I would never do anything to harm that boy," Mark said. "I know they are looking at me for being involved at some sort of kidnapping scheme, which is one of the reasons I want them to look closely at me. The more they look at me, the more they are going to realize I have nothing to do with this."

http://www.9news.com/news/article/314078/42/What-happened-to-Dylan-Redwine

Everything he says is a contradiction.

 

[absentia]

For MR to want ER to come to him rather than call LE first implies it was a plan, right?
I just have a hard time with that. I'm not sure why it seems easier to believe something happened in a fit of rage or ' accidentally' than a big , elaborate premeditated act. Both are horrible for a parent to do, but there is something absolutely NON HUMAN about thinking it was a months' long plan I have thought it myself though .( with regards to MR ) When I first heard about the ' trip of a lifetime' and 'memories no one can take away' re: the trip to the baseball fields, I thought ''omg , maybe he knew that was the last trip'' . But I immediately had to put that out of my mind I guess because it's just too sickening to think about. It is possible but I'd just rather think if MR is involved that a ) he's hiding him somewhere ( i know this seems less likely by the day but I've got my hopeful optimistic hat on, AND when he did not admit to Phil where he might have him hidden, i did lose some of that hope ) or b ) it was an unplanned accidental smack or push or shove that MR did not know would happen 10 minutes before ( the problem with this is i'm not seeing a lot of grief that I think would be present if it were an accident gone awry)
Bottom line is I guess it's hard as parents , which most of us are , to imagine what would drive another parent to do something like this to their child. Is that the sticking point between believing in MR's guilt and not? It very well could be. The " i would never do that so i dont believe it would happen'" mentality even though we know it happens all the time. I would also never rob a bank and people do it daily so how does one step out of that kind of thinking?
I just want the baby to be alive
Sigh.......

It's terrible, but I do think it was premeditated and I think your thoughts on that are right on. Really messed up, but I think MR TRULY BELIEVES DR had to be a sacrifice. And people are able to justify the idea of sacrifice, esp if they are narcissistic and angry. I think MR feels sorry for DR and asks for his forgiveness, but I also believe he feels it was necessary and that as his son, DR is his property to do as he feels is necessary. And in his sick mind, in order to do what he had to do to get back at ER, DR had to be the sacrifice.

 

[absentia]

but we have to remember that not only did mr recently stop receiving child support income from elaine, he also had to start paying it to her. This must have enraged him. And he will have to continue paying it until dylan is found.

So...from that standpoint it's in his best interest for dylan to be found and imho is one of the main reasons i think dylan will be found in the lake. Mr imo staged the fishing pole, the attempt to walk to t's story for a reason. To point le to the lake. He also was angry with le for not searching the lake sooner.

Listen to what he says. He seems to repeat 'fishing pole' and 'dylan tried to walk to t's' and not only that, i can't even count how many times he's made reference to 'the lake'.

exactly.

 

[rebeccaeee]

<snip>

I had a question for everyone that should not lead to any debate or ill will.
What is it about Dylan that has captivated us all for so many weeks? There
have been tons of other missing children since and I try to visit as many threads
as possible but this one is STUCK on repeat in my head and I'm sure many of you feel
the same way.
So why Dylan?

The custody angle grabbed me, to be sure. Proximity. I'm not in CO but I am in the southwest. Most of the cases that get my attention are west of the Mississippi (which means I spared myself alot of Casey Anthony grief). I have a son. Mostly though, the notion that a mom seemingly did so much right, got the right job, left the wrong man, made a move toward self improvement and with it, life improvement and BAM. Elaine reminds me a bit of my sisters, both of whom have had nasty divorces and nasty custody battles. Who could look at Dylan and not be drawn in? Missing girls make news but missing boys do not (except Kyron with his somewhat similar custodial issues). I hate 43 threads but I sure am glad to have company here.

 

[findDylan]

And my guess is if you were the one to stay home you would not be sitting there doing nothing. You would be phoning every friend of your child's, every relative, every parishioner, getting a phone tree going, making coffee for the searchers......anything ......something.

Yes I would. If i knew my cell didnt get a great signal but texts went through ok, I would be texting everyone including the people searching asking for updates every 5 minutes. I wouldn't use the main phone if I didnt have to so calls could come in.

When my oldest was 3 I left him with my ex overnight because I had to work the next day. When I was at work I had a strange feeling and went by his apartment to check on my son. When I got there the door was wide open, my ex was sleeping and my son was gone. I first called the police then started calling my family and his to see if they happend to come by and get my son. All the time I was yelling at my ex. I started asking the peoplein the apartment. Building if they seen him. No one had but one lady said she had fed him before when he wandered down stairs. Needless to say I was beyond livid. We found my son at the corner where a daycare was. He had been watching them for part of the day and besides sunburned he was ok. I told my ex (in front of the police) he was lucky they were there or he would have been hurting.

Anyways the point of the story was I did not just sit there and do nothing. I made the calls and asked neighbors. I feel when your child goes missing you do certain things, call family, check with friends and neighbors.
JMo, MOO

 

[La Louve]

BBM: The manipulation and constant "jabs" from MR never ceases to amaze me. No one asked this question, but he just couldn't resist throwing it into the conversation. He is so good at this crap, most people don't even recognize what he's doing, when he's doing it.
Who cares "why" Elaine hides her employer information? MR DOES. Maybe MR should have asked himself "why" that is instead of throwing it out during this interview. It was irrelevant to anyone except HIM...and the only reason I can see that it was important to him was to take a jab at Elaine. :furious:

Excellent point! It's so annoying isn't it? And I keep wondering how much of it is done out of habit and how much is done to obfuscate and distract in the immediate situation. (and I realize now those two aren't mutually exclusive)

Regardless, it's very tiresome trying to filter that out of his statements.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Does anyone know how many years it takes to declare a missing person dead when they haven't been found? I know it takes years. Probably longer than 4 years. I don't know what the stipulation for child support was (til he's 18 or 23 or out of college?) but at the very least without Dylan being found MR will probably have to continue paying Elaine child support for a minimum of 4 years (til Dylan would be 18).

 

[AnotherSetOfEyes]

BUT we have to remember that not only did MR recently stop receiving child support income from Elaine, he also had to start paying it to her. This must have enraged him. AND he will have to continue paying it until Dylan is found.

So...from that standpoint it's in his best interest for Dylan to be found and IMHO is one of the main reasons I think Dylan will be found in the lake. MR IMO staged the fishing pole, the attempt to walk to T's story for a reason. To point LE to the lake. He also was angry with LE for not searching the lake sooner.

Listen to what he says. He seems to repeat 'fishing pole' and 'Dylan tried to walk to T's' and not only that, I can't even count how many times he's made reference to 'the lake'.

BBM Now that you mention it he has also made a point of talking about the marina in a couple of the interviews. IIRC when DP pointed to T's general location, MR interjected "across from the lake, next to the marina." Unnecessary information, really in the context of the conversation. He mentioned the marina in at least one other place, but I can't remember where. Wonder if the fishing pole will be found at the Marina.

 

[findDylan]

Does anyone know how many years it takes to declare a missing person dead when they haven't been found? I know it takes years. Probably longer than 4 years. I don't know what the stipulation for child support was (til he's 18 or 23 or out of college?) but at the very least without Dylan being found MR will probably have to continue paying Elaine child support for a minimum of 4 years (til Dylan would be 18).

Doing a quick search the average seems to be 7 years. Unless you can provide enough "proof" that the person is no longer alive.

For me child support lasted until my son was 19. Child support was through Colorado courts. I think if they go to college it's until they are 23 or 25, but don't quote me on it.