CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #43

[*Lash*]

LOL I didnt know that double posted lol
but Im not so sure LE can tell someone they failed a poly if they passed.
Im sure that could be used against LE in court!

I'm sure LE has to walk a fine line when it comes to lying to the public. In my opinion, if a lie could possibly bring a 14yo missing boy home, LE will use whatever legal means they are afforded.

 

[Money Girl]

I agree with the bolded above. That's why I think MR used the Jim Beam excuse to wiggle out of the test he agreed to take. All MOO

IMO, he did not use the "Jim Beam" as an "excuse to wiggle out of the test."
After being treated like crap on the show, he could not sleep. I would have been anxious after that debacle, too. So what if he had a few drinks of Jim Beam or whatever to help him get to sleep? It's not like it hasn't been done by anyone else on previous occasions.

 

[Eileen730]

Regardless of innocence or guilt, being on national TV with your ex and your child who hates you, I would think that would be pretty nerve racking. JMO

I don't know that he failed the first poly and I don't fault him for not taking Dr. Phil's poly. I do fault him for saying he would and then not, however.

Well I can see why they hate him!
I can see why they think he had something to do with it.

MR could have turned this entire thing around By being nice to his ex.
Answering her calls.
COMMUNICATING!

I think they found out exactly what they were seeking!

I dont think many thought he would have taken that poly!
I know I didnt.

 

[*Lash*]

The way Dr. Phil said that, IMO, was very condescending and set up. It was almost scripted sounding. JMO

I totally agree. DP used reverse psychology on MR in that statement and it was likely scripted. However, DP made a very valid point.

 

[mmmagique]

IMO, he did not use the "Jim Beam" as an "excuse to wiggle out of the test."
After being treated like crap on the show, he could not sleep. I would have been anxious after that debacle, too. So what if he had a few drinks of Jim Beam or whatever to help him get to sleep? It's not like it hasn't been done by anyone else on previous occasions.

Do you recall a case of it being done by the parent of a missing child the night before their polygraph?

Although Billie Jean Dunn and her bf did do drugs right before they were supposed to take their polys. I wonder if it was to help them relax?

 

[SCHMAE]

Could be he has half a bottle every night no matter what is coming up in the morning ! mooo

 

[deoneta]

The way Dr. Phil said that, IMO, was very condescending and set up. It was almost scripted sounding. JMO

Of course it was condescending. He was mocking MR for trying to put the blame on the LDT examiner just as he'd tried to blame ER and her criminal element friends for kidnapping Dylan and not packing a winter coat and turning his son against him. All MOO

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I expected MR to just say no to the poly. I figured he'd be offered one and he would simply refuse it. I never ever expected to see the theatrics that we saw. It really opened my eyes and like I said, much more revealing than a poly!

 

[Eileen730]

IMO, he did not use the "Jim Beam" as an "excuse to wiggle out of the test."
After being treated like crap on the show, he could not sleep. I would have been anxious after that debacle, too. So what if he had a few drinks of Jim Beam or whatever to help him get to sleep? It's not like it hasn't been done by anyone else on previous occasions.

Drink yourself to sleep ok!
Did you see what that man looked like that morning?

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

DP's point was, if you think you were given a poly by an unqualified examiner, you certainly will not be able to say that here. JT is the best of the best, so there will be no question as to the qualifications of the examiner.

Was it a bit condescending? Yes I believe so and I believe DP meant for it to be.

 

[SCHMAE]

Drink yourself to sleep ok!
Did you see what that man looked like that morning?

I believe he intentionally didn't shower or even comb his hair. He wanted to look under duress and he did. Two hours later they all commented how 'well he cleaned up ' and he was feeling better then because the thread of the LDT was gone and no longer hanging over him . HE WON ! :moo:

 

[mijamawi]

Of course it was condescending. He was mocking MR for trying to put the blame on the LDT examiner just as he'd tried to blame ER and her criminal element friends for kidnapping Dylan and not packing a winter coat and turning his son against him. All MOO

I was responding to someone who said that comment by Dr. Phil was a reason MR should have taken the poly.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

I'd be pretty nervous on Dr. Phil with some of the things that were thrown out about MR. I do 100% agree he should have never said he'd take the poly if he had no intention of doing so. IMO after all that happened on the show and then I was asked to take a poly, I'd so no f'ing way Jose.

I have anxiety problems and sometimes in missing child cases where they analyze the parents behavior, I wonder how badly I would look to the GP if I was in the same situation. I am not saying I would care what others thought, but I'm sure I would be picked apart pretty badly. I would be scared of a poly also for the same reasons and the fact that I don't know much about them.

I have yet to follow a case where a parent turned out to be guilty but they were suspected in the beginning before the case was resolved. I do know that every parents behavior that I witnessed was different and unique to that individual.

MR being the last to be seen with Dylan and (some) of the other things that have been observed are enough for me to consider him suspect, but not enough to convince me 100% that he is guilty or prevent me from considering other possibilities. What other people say is not going to convince me of his guilt either, unless it comes from LE or MR confesses.

That's just me and how my brain works.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I believe he intentionally didn't shower or even comb his hair. He wanted to look under duress and he did. Two hours later they all commented how 'well he cleaned up ' and he was feeling better then because the thread of the LDT was gone and no longer hanging over him . HE WON ! :moo:

Yes, that was obviously part of the 'poor me' act. So ridiculous! It was all theatrics.

 

[Eileen730]

I believe he intentionally didn't shower or even comb his hair. He wanted to look under duress and he did. Two hours later they all commented how 'well he cleaned up ' and he was feeling better then because the thread of the LDT was gone and no longer hanging over him . HE WON ! :moo:

Oh yes the manipulator!

 

[SCHMAE]

I have anxiety problems and sometimes in missing child cases where they analyze the parents behavior, I wonder how badly I would look to the GP if I was in the same situation. I am not saying I would care what others thought, but I'm sure I would be picked apart pretty badly. I would be scared of a poly also for the same reasons and the fact that I don't know much about them.

I have yet to follow a case where a parent turned out to be guilty but they were suspected in the beginning before the case was resolved. I do know that every parents behavior that I witnessed was different and unique to that individual.

MR being the last to be seen with Dylan and (some) of the other things that have been observed are enough for me to consider him suspect, but not enough to convince me 100% that he is guilty or prevent me from considering other possibilities. What other people say is not going to convince me of his guilt either, unless it comes from LE or MR confesses.

That's just me and how my brain works.

Amen! Sorry you go through that but I know just what you mean. Once I was in checkout line at the walmart and a cop was behind me and I thought "omg he probably thinks im on speed'' because I'm constantly fidgeting ! OT !

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Out of all that we have seen and heard from MR, to me the most disturbing part is his obvious lack of concern for finding Dylan. Where is it?

Even when it's Dylan being discussed he tries to change the subject. He wants everyone else to focus on Dylan (supposedly) but where is HIS focus on Dylan? I haven't seen it since day one. There is zero concern or urgency in finding his child. IMO

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I believe he intentionally didn't shower or even comb his hair. He wanted to look under duress and he did. Two hours later they all commented how 'well he cleaned up ' and he was feeling better then because the thread of the LDT was gone and no longer hanging over him . HE WON ! :moo:

A very pathetic attempt at acting. No MR you should NOT take up a career in acting. To me it was so blatantly obvious that I almost felt embarrassed for him.

 

[Crosby87]

Were the polygraphs ER and MR took given by the same person?

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Getting MR to go on DP was a big step, considering everyone knew how the show would play out. I'm sure that LE will be analyzing all that was said from the taping. I think it should be looked at as a big positive that he did appear for those that wanted this to happen. I don't know that taking the poly would have changed anything regardless of the results.

The family seems pretty convinced IMO, that he did something to Dylan. So, if he would have taken the poly and passed, I don't think the family would have dropped all the other things that they found unusual about the events and his behavior and started looking at other possibilities.

I don't understand the insistence and time that is spent, on convincing the GP that he is 100% guilty. I want to know what I am missing that is so important about the GP's opinion. I don't think that others having differing opinions will prevent finding Dylan and getting justice. Please someone explain this to me because it has me very confused.