CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #43

[fedfan4life]

I really don't understand why those on here are allowed to bash Elaine continuously.

IMO it really doesn't matter if he or she has a drinking problem or drinks. I'm sure neither is a saint.

There were court documents showing that MR accused Elaine of driving with the children while drinking. I've never seen anything stating that due to this he filed for divorce. And honestly I could care less and think it has zero to do with Dylan being missing.

I truly don't understand it either.

 

[mijamawi]

The Text between Cory and MR were posted on the other FB CMR with screen shots.

Right. I was wondering if they were located in a place we could discuss, as we aren't allowed to discuss things from CMR and the texts were being discussed at the time I asked.

 

[cluciano63]

I can (sort of) understand people going on about how LE has never said ER was cleared, but logically I do not understand the how or why anyone would imagine for a second that she is involved or that LE believes she is involved. She was not in the area. But of course we had people insisting that Desiree Young slipped away from her job in Medford, Oregon, to sneak up to Portland and kidnap Kyron, too.

I believe that LE does not want to announce that ER, MH and CR are cleared, for example, as they are not ready to have MR officially become the only one they cannot clear. They do not have enough to charge him with a crime, but it stretches belief to think he is not a suspect.

 

[PMLsmom]

To be honest, I think this thread needs to be closed, until something else surfaces.

There is no news, AT ALL, and all there is is back and forth here. None of this is helping to bring Dylan home. NONE OF THIS.

MR is the LAST ONE TO SEE DR, not ANYONE ELSE. PERIOD. JMO

 

[mijamawi]

Exactly! Think of the two differences though, MB is a woman and honestly some of the things she said to me were really unprofessional IMO but I've never been asked questions by a reporter before. I appreciated her report but I was and still am confused about why she a couple of things to me.

DP was out and out in charge from the beginning.

In my experience with MR MOO and all those ooooo's - MR tends to flirt & flatter women to gain their attention and approval, with men, he is very intimidated when confronted face to face.

BBM He's not a very charming guy though, nor is he attractive. I don't get the flirting thing at all in how anyone could be charmed by him. JMO

 

[fedfan4life]

I agree with the bolded above. That's why I think MR used the Jim Beam excuse to wiggle out of the test he agreed to take. All MOO

Perfect, Perfect, Perfect...

 

[Tennlyn]

it has been clearly stated that mr started the divorce proceedings because of her drinking. That's why all the things posted about mr still wanting er are so ridiculous. Maybe she has convinced her new fiance that is true.

link?!

 

[azgrandma]

Can they lie?

Or just leave out certain things!

I think that they can flat out lie. I keep remembering a story where the FBI profiler gave LE so many details. Most importantly was that they needed to exhume the body of a woman to get bite impressions. They did. The prosecutor announced to the media that the information received after they exhumed the body was very beneficial and exactly what they needed. In truth, they couldn't get good impressions and had to use the original medical examiner photos of the bite marks.

But, it worked, it brought their guy out of the dark.

 

[imamaze]

It has been clearly stated that MR started the divorce proceedings because of her drinking. That's why all the things posted about MR still wanting ER are so ridiculous. Maybe she has convinced her new fiance that is true.

Money Girl,

Can you tell me where this has been clearly stated? I haven't heard that. I do know their were court records where MR complained to the Judge about her driving around with the children drinking and he ordered her to stop doing that if I recall correctly but nothing about why or who divorced who.

 

[mijamawi]

I can (sort of) understand people going on about how LE has never said ER was cleared, but logically I do not understand the how or why anyone would imagine for a second that she is involved or that LE believes she is involved. She was not in the area. But of course we had people insisting that Desiree Young slipped away from her job in Medford, Oregon, to sneak up to Portland and kidnap Kyron, too.

I believe that LE does not want to announce that ER, MH and CR are cleared, for example, as they are not ready to have MR officially become the only one they cannot clear. They do not have enough to charge him with a crime, but it stretches belief to think he is not a suspect.

I agree mostly. I think MR would be a fool not to think he's a suspect. With that being said though, why not clear the others? He has to know he's undesirable no. 1. If that is indeed the case, why aren't LE focusing solely on him and clearing anyone else? Because MR would lawyer up? I don't recall LE calling him back in to go over his story again. With all the said inconsistencies, what are they waiting for?

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Showing bits and pieces of information, when all of the information is available (such as entire text conversations) can be construed as being deceptive. I have seen this tactic used way to many times in SM and I've seen outsiders insert themselves and encourage this behavior. I don't feel a family in grief would understand this when it's happening. It's really sad and I think causes a lot of unnecessary problems. JMO

 

[SCHMAE]

MR is the first and only one in MY memory who said anything about ' whose fault' the divorce was or who wanted it and that was on the MR show. If you believe him, then you do ! But I don't remember anything previously about who did what or who even filed first. If it's in the threads.... I have a reading comprehension problem.

BBM oops, ETA , the dr phil show. Freudian slip..... it did seem like the MR show !

 

[tresptip]

I agree mostly. I think MR would be a fool not to think he's a suspect. With that being said though, why not clear the others? He has to know he's undesirable no. 1. If that is indeed the case, why aren't LE focusing solely on him and clearing anyone else? Because MR would lawyer up? I don't recall LE calling him back in to go over his story again. With all the said inconsistencies, what are they waiting for?

What inconsistencies?

 

[mmmagique]

I agree mostly. I think MR would be a fool not to think he's a suspect. With that being said though, why not clear the others? He has to know he's undesirable no. 1. If that is indeed the case, why aren't LE focusing solely on him and clearing anyone else? Because MR would lawyer up? I don't recall LE calling him back in to go over his story again. With all the said inconsistencies, what are they waiting for?

From the beginning, when this small town police force treated this almost solely as a runaway situation for over a week, I believe they have been in over their heads.

Not only do I think they are over their heads, I think that they do not want to allow any outsiders to help them.

 

[fedfan4life]

IMO, he did not use the "Jim Beam" as an "excuse to wiggle out of the test."
After being treated like crap on the show, he could not sleep. I would have been anxious after that debacle, too. So what if he had a few drinks of Jim Beam or whatever to help him get to sleep? It's not like it hasn't been done by anyone else on previous occasions.

There is NOOOOOOOOOOOOO excuse for being impaired during the 2 days in which he was asked to appear on a national TV show focusing on his missing child. It would not matter if Dr. Phil had physically beat him with a 2x4. This is not about Mark Redwine. He doesn't seem to get that, and anyone who makes excuses for his behavior doesn't seem to either.

If he could not sleep, then he needed to drink warm milk, count some sheep, watch GSN on the tube, etc... It is NOT acceptable for him to make a choice to interfere w/what he was there to do in the first place, which was to talk about his missing child in front of millions of people.

A parent who cannot even get out of his own way for 1 SINGLE NIGHT in hopes of finding his son is PITIFUL, and that is a fact whether folks want to accept it or not.

 

[mijamawi]

Money Girl,

Can you tell me where this has been clearly stated? I haven't heard that. I do know their were court records where MR complained to the Judge about her driving around with the children drinking and he ordered her to stop doing that if I recall correctly but nothing about why or who divorced who.

I'm not Money Girl, but it was stated on Dr. Phil.

From TxJan's transcript:

MR:
Well…absolutely… I mean… I can see where that might raise suspicions.

I would like to say I know that somewhere in the fall of 2005 that umm…there was a situation that ( ?? ) the whole divorce process and I was concerned about the alcohol abuse that was going on at the time and I pretty much gave her an ultimatum at that particular time that she either had to enroll or get involved in some kind of alcohol program or that I was… we were getting divorced and I was taking the kids, and I took the kids one night and went to a friend of mine’s house until I could communicate to my attorney the following day, and I believe it was on that same day that I filed an emergency motion with the courts to be able to have her removed from the house until we could get to a court hearing, and… and figure out where to go from there.

Dr. Phil:
Well, you were concerned because of her alcohol use?

MR:
Absolutely.

Dr. Phil:
And you told us about that.

MR:
Yeah…


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[imamaze]

Ok... I'm going to try to explain this one more time...

If you feel a post is against TOS alert, don't respond to it.

We are victim friendly, that doesn't mean however that we can not discuss what is known about everyone in this case. It means we don't bash them, and we don't sleuth them.

If you can't answer or respond to a post without being rude then just pass it on by. You can argue what someone says and do it without attacking the member for their view.

If someone asks for link the proper thing to do is provide it, that's the nice thing to do. Rumor is not allowed so please link if someone asks you to do that.

The thread will not be closed down, its a discussion board, if you think everything's been covered then its your choice not to discuss it until something else comes out.

Stop attacking each other, stop accusing others of hating the family or victim. It simply isn't true. We all want Dylan home, lets focus on that and not what the motives are of other members posting that don't agree with you.

Facebook doesn't mean something is fact, doesn't mean we feel someone is or isn't credible.

I'm not sure at this point what is allowed as far as facebook is concerned, I think you all know and should be posting as such.


Ima

 

[BeginnersLuck]

BBM He's not a very charming guy though, nor is he attractive. I don't get the flirting thing at all in how anyone could be charmed by him. JMO

:floorlaugh: Thank you for the laugh. The BBM statements made me think about some of the older males I know, flirting with much younger girls. My mind flipped back to some instances when I thought about how awkward and creeped out those girls must have felt at the time.

Sorry O/T

 

[imamaze]

I'm not Money Girl, but it was stated on Dr. Phil.

From TxJan's transcript:

MR:
Well…absolutely… I mean… I can see where that might raise suspicions.

I would like to say I know that somewhere in the fall of 2005 that umm…there was a situation that ( ?? ) the whole divorce process and I was concerned about the alcohol abuse that was going on at the time and I pretty much gave her an ultimatum at that particular time that she either had to enroll or get involved in some kind of alcohol program or that I was… we were getting divorced and I was taking the kids, and I took the kids one night and went to a friend of mine’s house until I could communicate to my attorney the following day, and I believe it was on that same day that I filed an emergency motion with the courts to be able to have her removed from the house until we could get to a court hearing, and… and figure out where to go from there.

Dr. Phil:
Well, you were concerned because of her alcohol use?

MR:
Absolutely.

Dr. Phil:
And you told us about that.

MR:
Yeah…


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Thank you! I do remember MR saying that now. Of course it doesn't make it true I know. I think its obvoius to me anyhow how much hate their is between ER and MR. So I guess take it for what's it worth in my view.

Ima

ETA... That doesn't make it clear in my opinion either just to clarify.

 

[mijamawi]

What inconsistencies?

There have been supposed inconsistencies in his statements to press, interviews, etc. However, we have no idea what he originally told LE in his interrogation. So my question was if anything he's said publicly since his interrogation by LE was inconsistent with what he told them, why haven't they called him in for another interview?

From the beginning, when this small town police force treated this almost solely as a runaway situation for over a week, I believe they have been in over their heads.

Not only do I think they are over their heads, I think that they do not want to allow any outsiders to help them.

I thought they said they knew it was a criminal investigation early on. Aren't the FBI and CBI on their taskforce?