CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #44

[Confusion]

What matters is WHAT DYLAN does or does not do.

It does matter when you're discussing what your child did over the weekend, which is what was being discussed. MOO

 

[cluciano63]

If we stop discussing Dylan pending new info, we may as well close nearly all of the threads here with missing people, as many have not had new info in years.

Believe me, there will probably come a time when a few posts a day will seem "active" in this case. With this type of case (missing child) not too many become full of news and activity after a period of several months has passed. If Dylan is found, that would obviously produce great activity. If someone is arrested, likewise. But if neither occurs, a natural drop-off in daily posting is bound to occur.

 

[Confusion]

If we stop discussing Dylan pending new info, we may as well close nearly all of the threads here with missing people, as many have not had new info in years.

Believe me, there will probably come a time when a few posts a day will seem "active" in this case. With this type of case (missing child) not too many become full of news and activity after a period of several months has passed. If Dylan is found, that would obviously produce great activity. If someone is arrested, likewise. But if neither occurs, a natural drop-off in daily posting is bound to occur.

I'd love to discuss Dylan until new info is released. I just don't know what good is coming from discussing Mark. I know, to each his own. :truce:

 

[cluciano63]

I'd love to discuss Dylan until new info is released. I just don't know what good is coming from discussing Mark. I know, to each his own. :truce:

I should have said Dylan's case.
What good does it do to discuss Dylan, really? It makes more sense to discuss those who may have knowledge as to what happened to him.

 

[Eileen730]

I'd love to discuss Dylan until new info is released. I just don't know what good is coming from discussing Mark. I know, to each his own. :truce:

I think Mark Holds the key!

JMO

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I'd love to discuss Dylan until new info is released. I just don't know what good is coming from discussing Mark. I know, to each his own. :truce:

Some feel that the key to finding Dylan IS MARK. Thus the discussions of Mark.

 

[Eileen730]

Id love to if Dylan knew how to spell Tomorrow!

How could it bye a typo o and a are on opposite sides of the keyboard.

Did he always spell it his way?

 

[Eileen730]

I think Dad took his phone.

 

[sreshowtime]

Did I miss the other theories another poster was going to discuss -- trying to think of the screen name -- started with "sres" -- or something like that. ........

snipped for brevity^

Phantom- this is what I had posted on the other thread FYI- personally I think exploring other 'theories' is always an option until someone is found and the truth might be disclosed then and/OR until a specific POI/suspect is named in MSM by LE. I'm probably in the minority, rebel that I am, but I am not quite 100% sold on MR at this point in time. I might be wrong though. For example , it took a good bit of time and exploring other avenues before I finally fell off the fence for good regarding Hailey Dunn.

Respectful discussion & ideas can be good, always learning from one case and how it might applied to another.
Okay here is what I had posted...if anyone even wants to entertain such possibilities- based on a POI other than MR, although I do have some ideas there.


Okay- nit pick it, or not ,based on what you perceive/know/believe, or not
I will try to keep it simple, as I am prone to longwindedness- just throwing stuff out- so think

MR passed out and Dylan left of his own accord, in a direction of his choice, in the night, not necessarily running away, but to...
and MR fabricated the next morning events, because he absolutely did not want to admit to 'losing' DR...and now MR may not know how or be willing to admit to such a thing (and DR could have conceivably become totally lost/hurt in the woods or drowned)

^ same type of scenario ^ , but Dylan went with/ or was taken by someone who was visiting at the home...and MR for some unknown reason (threatened, scared, intimidated?) can not or will not admit that such an event occurred. And DR remains missing.

Evil lurks among us. For some reason DR got ticked MR left that morning and took matters into his own hands and took his stuff and left to head to his friends. His path crossed with someone passing through town, a guest of someone in town OR a citizen in town( that no one suspects, ie he is such a GREAT guy!) And now DR is missing from that unfortunate event. A crime of opportunity so to speak.

( sorry post so long, too much coffee, ha)

 

[tresptip]

Why would Dylan leave the TV set on?Did he have a habit of doing that at his mothers house?

 

[Eileen730]

snipped for brevity^

Phantom- this is what I had posted on the other thread FYI- personally I think exploring other 'theories' is always an option until someone is found and the truth might be disclosed then and/OR until a specific POI/suspect is named in MSM by LE. I'm probably in the minority, rebel that I am, but I am not quite 100% sold on MR at this point in time. I might be wrong though. For example , it took a good bit of time and exploring other avenues before I finally fell off the fence for good regarding Hailey Dunn.

Respectful discussion & ideas can be good, always learning from one case and how it might applied to another.
Okay here is what I had posted...if anyone even wants to entertain such possibilities- based on a POI other than MR, although I do have some ideas there.


Okay- nit pick it, or not ,based on what you perceive/know/believe, or not
I will try to keep it simple, as I am prone to longwindedness- just throwing stuff out- so think

MR passed out and Dylan left of his own accord, in a direction of his choice, in the night, not necessarily running away, but to...
and MR fabricated the next morning events, because he absolutely did not want to admit to 'losing' DR...and now MR may not know how or be willing to admit to such a thing (and DR could have conceivably become totally lost/hurt in the woods or drowned)

^ same type of scenario ^ , but Dylan went with/ or was taken by someone who was visiting at the home...and MR for some unknown reason (threatened, scared, intimidated?) can not or will not admit that such an event occurred. And DR remains missing.

Evil lurks among us. For some reason DR got ticked MR left that morning and took matters into his own hands and took his stuff and left to head to his friends. His path crossed with someone passing through town, a guest of someone in town OR a citizen in town( that no one suspects, ie he is such a GREAT guy!) And now DR is missing from that unfortunate event. A crime of opportunity so to speak.

( sorry post so long, too much coffee, ha)

I think if he walked away from that house a scent would have been picked up by the dogs.

Oh but wait there was nothing with a scent at the house! How did MR explain that one?

JMO

 

[ColdHands]

Restating an earlier post which was a restatement of an earlier post:

A) MR did something

1) MR planned for up to three months to murder and dispose of Dylan
2) MR flew into a rage at some point and unintentionally killed Dylan
3) MR handed Dylan off to someone who has kept Dylan hidden for three months
4) MR had his own place to hide Dylan for three months (no assistance)

B) Someone else did something.

1) Someone else picked up Dylan and is hiding him (benign)
2) Someone else picked up Dylan and is hiding him (foul play)
3) Someone else picked up Dylan and killed him


IMO - the "someone else" category is too broad and without being allowed to bring in other names makes for circular conversations.


Months later, those are still the same options. No change. Nothing ruled in or out. LE not issuing a new press release in almost two months.

One updated statement from LE with new information regarding an unspecified text at 9:37pm on November 18.
The forensics were completed on the search of MR's home but no findings were revealed.
A tip with a backstory that some people felt was strange was called in, investigated and per LE provided no information.
The Dr Phil show provided lots of information for character analysis and cemented for many people their opinions about MR's involvement.
As far as evidential analysis, the Dr Phil show brought back the Mail Lady statement, provided the character witness testimony by the ex girlfriend and identified some inconsistencies in MR's story of the timeline on Nov 19 (The story of T and also the fishing pole).
The K-9 Forensics search brought a dismissive statement from LE and reinforced the belief for just about everyone other than LE that someone is in the lake.

ETA: All IMO and my interpretations. If I've left anything out or mischaracterized something, I'm happy to discuss.
What else has happened?

 

[katydid23]

snipped for brevity^

Phantom- this is what I had posted on the other thread FYI- personally I think exploring other 'theories' is always an option until someone is found and the truth might be disclosed then and/OR until a specific POI/suspect is named in MSM by LE. I'm probably in the minority, rebel that I am, but I am not quite 100% sold on MR at this point in time. I might be wrong though. For example , it took a good bit of time and exploring other avenues before I finally fell off the fence for good regarding Hailey Dunn.

Respectful discussion & ideas can be good, always learning from one case and how it might applied to another.
Okay here is what I had posted...if anyone even wants to entertain such possibilities- based on a POI other than MR, although I do have some ideas there.


Okay- nit pick it, or not ,based on what you perceive/know/believe, or not
I will try to keep it simple, as I am prone to longwindedness- just throwing stuff out- so think

MR passed out and Dylan left of his own accord, in a direction of his choice, in the night, not necessarily running away, but to...
and MR fabricated the next morning events, because he absolutely did not want to admit to 'losing' DR...and now MR may not know how or be willing to admit to such a thing (and DR could have conceivably become totally lost/hurt in the woods or drowned)

^ same type of scenario ^ , but Dylan went with/ or was taken by someone who was visiting at the home...and MR for some unknown reason (threatened, scared, intimidated?) can not or will not admit that such an event occurred. And DR remains missing.

Evil lurks among us. For some reason DR got ticked MR left that morning and took matters into his own hands and took his stuff and left to head to his friends. His path crossed with someone passing through town, a guest of someone in town OR a citizen in town( that no one suspects, ie he is such a GREAT guy!) And now DR is missing from that unfortunate event. A crime of opportunity so to speak.

( sorry post so long, too much coffee, ha)

I have a similar theory about DR being ticked off and leaving the house that night. I think his Dad was drinking, and they argued. Maybe Mark took D's cell from him and they fought over that. And D takes everything and decides to walk the 6 miles to his friends house. I can see that happening. But I think that MR would have followed him in anger, and things went sideways from there.

In terms of the 'crime of opportunity', I know that is a possibility. But I can't understand why he wouldn't have communuicated with anyone that morning. Especially if he was going to try and meet up with his friends 18 miles away.

 

[Eileen730]

I have a similar theory about DR being ticked off and leaving the house that night. I think his Dad was drinking, and they argued. Maybe Mark took D's cell from him and they fought over that. And D takes everything and decides to walk the 6 miles to his friends house. I can see that happening. But I think that MR would have followed him in anger, and things went sideways from there.

In terms of the 'crime of opportunity', I know that is a possibility. But I can't understand why he wouldn't have communuicated with anyone that morning. Especially if he was going to try and meet up with his friends 18 miles away.

Because he couldnt!
jmo

 

[fedfan4life]

I should have said Dylan's case.
What good does it do to discuss Dylan, really? It makes more sense to discuss those who may have knowledge as to what happened to him.

The only way this situation will be resolved is if Mr. Redwine finally tells the truth. And, yes, discussing him, challenging him, keeping him in the public eye, etc... is the only strategy that makes sense @ this point.

This is my opinion only, and everyone has a right to discuss whatever they chose, but hashing through anecdotes of our own childrens' lives has no bearing on this situation. In fact, that speaks to personal bias. What is more effective is comparing/contrasting the consistencies/inconsistencies between what is known about Dylan pre-Thanksgiving trip and what is being reported about Dylan's actions and behaviors once he got off the plane.

 

[sreshowtime]

something that worries me, is Dylan possilby 'running away'....not necessarily away, but tried to get to a point only known to him. I know it is not believed he is a runaway- but imho I think of that in the traditional sense, if there is one. From the sound of it DR didn't seem to really want to go/be there. Could he in his immature mind have got some wild hair to 'I'll show you, I will just leave' and did so the next morning, after MR left? ( or like Katydid said ^, was DR was upset and left at night, and 'trouble' followed him?)

It has been said if I recall correctly, that the area has numerous rental vacation type properties and there were out of towners around then. Also, with the holiday week, probably locals in and out of town and their assorted guests.
So , there could have been opportunity for DR to cross paths with any number of unknown people.

I am just rambling along, throwing stuff at walls, seeing anything sticks

 

[ThePhantom]

I don't think it's easy to prevent our own biases when discussing the facts. Just interpreting the facts includes some kind of personal orientation about a matter. That's why the jurors found Casey Anthony and O.J. Simpson "innocent," whereas I would have found them guilty, even if I was the lone hold out and considered misguided by my cohorts.

 

[cluciano63]

It is all about the phone, IMO. LE used Dylan's lack of communication in large part to determine he had not run away. So they are taking the stoppage of his phone/texting seriously. They have access to his history of usage, as we do not. They do not need to go by what ER or anyone else may say about how often he used his phone, they can see for themselves and they declared it to be vital that he stopped using it.

 

[The Cheese]

Restating an earlier post which was a restatement of an earlier post:

A) MR did something

1) MR planned for up to three months to murder and dispose of Dylan
2) MR flew into a rage at some point and unintentionally killed Dylan
3) MR handed Dylan off to someone who has kept Dylan hidden for three months
4) MR had his own place to hide Dylan for three months (no assistance)

B) Someone else did something.

1) Someone else picked up Dylan and is hiding him (benign)
2) Someone else picked up Dylan and is hiding him (foul play)
3) Someone else picked up Dylan and killed him


IMO - the "someone else" category is too broad and without being allowed to bring in other names makes for circular conversations.


Months later, those are still the same options. No change. Nothing ruled in or out. LE not issuing a new press release in almost two months.

One updated statement from LE with new information regarding an unspecified text at 9:37pm on November 18.
The forensics were completed on the search of MR's home but no findings were revealed.
A tip with a backstory that some people felt was strange was called in, investigated and per LE provided no information.
The Dr Phil show provided lots of information for character analysis and cemented for many people their opinions about MR's involvement.
As far as evidential analysis, the Dr Phil show brought back the Mail Lady statement, provided the character witness testimony by the ex girlfriend and identified some inconsistencies in MR's story of the timeline on Nov 19 (The story of T and also the fishing pole).
The K-9 Forensics search brought a dismissive statement from LE and reinforced the belief for just about everyone other than LE that someone is in the lake.

ETA: All IMO and my interpretations. If I've left anything out or mischaracterized something, I'm happy to discuss.
What else has happened?

I think these are important. Your call on whether to include them or not, ColdHands. It's just a thought.

* "He either left the house and someone abducted him or something happened while he was still at the house. I could not think of a 3rd possibility," said Dan Bender, spokesman from the La Plata County Sheriff's Office.

* Neither Dylan’s father, Mark Redwine, or mother Elaine Redwine, are considered suspects by the Sheriff’s Department.

:twocents:

 

[catswhiskers]

The only way this situation will be resolved is if Mr. Redwine finally tells the truth. And, yes, discussing him, challenging him, keeping him in the public eye, etc... is the only strategy that makes sense @ this point.

This is my opinion only, and everyone has a right to discuss whatever they chose, but hashing through anecdotes of our own childrens' lives has no bearing on this situation. In fact, that speaks to personal bias. What is more effective is comparing/contrasting the consistencies/inconsistencies between what is known about Dylan pre-Thanksgiving trip and what is being reported about Dylan's actions and behaviors once he got off the plane.

There have been plenty of posts on these threads citing what Dylan would or wouldn't have done - with the explanation being that it would or wouldn't have been something a teen would do. I think it's reasonable for other posters to question that if their own experiences with teens have been quite different. No reason to be dismissive of others, just presenting another point of view.
I've worked with kids for over 30 years now, and in my experience they aren't nearly as predictable as their parents would necessarily believe - especially when out from under their parents watchful eyes. That's not saying that parents don't know their children better than anyone else - just that those children can and do sometimes do the unexpected.
:moo: