CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #44

[katydid23]

I have never seen how MR "pushed" the fishing pole story - IIRC he mentioned that it was likely Dylan had it with him in that early doorstep interview. I've also not seen him "berating" LE - in that same interview he said something like he wondered why they hadn't checked the lake sooner. If anything, IMO he has constantly been supportive of LE's efforts and understanding of why they would need to investigate him personally, as well as seeing the need for them to be allowed to get on with their investigation. As always, it's all in the interpretation with a dose of personal opinion too.
:moo:

This sounds like he is berating LE, imo:

"I question why it has taken this long to start scouring the lake because from Day One they have known it is likely he had a fishing pole with him," Redwine, 52, said.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingne...laplata-county


I have never seen MR being supportive of LE. He seems to be very passive/aggressive in his negative attitude towards them, imo.

And he has been pushing the fishing story continuously, by reminding everyone the pole is missing. JMO

 

[nikb]

I was wondering about this, myself, ever since I first saw her in the clip from the Dr Phil show. I was suspicious of her right away because she was adamant that she had seen Dylan- no question about it. She seemed to be about the same age as MR and I'm wondering about her personal life, like if she's married, has children, knew MR very well, etc. So, is it a fact that the two of them are in a relationship?

BBM no definitely not a fact or at least if they are it's never been reported that I know of. I actually haven't even seen it posted as a rumor on Facebook or anything. I think some sort of familiar relationship is a possibility, because I have a hard time thinking through how else she could be so sure the boy she saw was Dylan. I'm sure there are other possibilities though.

I tend to doubt a romantic type relationship between them, if for no other reason than I don't think it could've stayed 'hidden' this long.

 

[catswhiskers]

This sounds like he is berating LE, imo:

"I question why it has taken this long to start scouring the lake because from Day One they have known it is likely he had a fishing pole with him," Redwine, 52, said.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingne...laplata-county


I have never seen MR being supportive of LE. He seems to be very passive/aggressive in his negative attitude towards them, imo.

And he has been pushing the fishing story continuously, by reminding everyone the pole is missing. JMO

No probs - we apparently use the word berate differently then. A quick dictionary search finds these definitions: To rebuke or scold angrily and at length; to scold harshly; or, a strong verb for harshly cutting someone down with words. I just haven't seen that myself.

It's all about our own perceptions and interpretations of his words of course. MR has been repeatedly asked his opinion about possibly being a suspect, and I definitely haven't seen a lack of support or negative attitude towards LE in his responses concerning them.

:moo:

 

[catswhiskers]

BBM no definitely not a fact or at least if they are it's never been reported that I know of. I actually haven't even seen it posted as a rumor on Facebook or anything. I think some sort of familiar relationship is a possibility, because I have a hard time thinking through how else she could be so sure the boy she saw was Dylan. I'm sure there are other possibilities though.

I tend to doubt a romantic type relationship between them, if for no other reason than I don't think it could've stayed 'hidden' this long.

I know during the airing of Dr P some of us (including me) were thinking that the mail carrier and the ex gf looked very similar when watching it for the first time, so I guess some speculation could have started then. It was later addressed and shown this wasn't the case IIRC.

:moo:

 

[katydid23]

No probs - we apparently use the word berate differently then. A quick dictionary search finds these definitions: To rebuke or scold angrily and at length; to scold harshly; or, a strong verb for harshly cutting someone down with words. I just haven't seen that myself.

It's all about our own perceptions and interpretations of his words of course. MR has been repeatedly asked his opinion about possibly being a suspect, and I definitely haven't seen a lack of support or negative attitude towards LE in his responses concerning them.

:moo:

If my child is missing, and I am relying upon a group of public servants to find him, then I am not going to criticize them by saying " what took them so long to search the lake---I told them from day one my kid had his fishing pole with him."

That is how I interpret his comment. While 'berating' might be a bit too strong, he was being critical, imo.

 

[Confusion]

I know during the airing of Dr P some of us (including me) were thinking that the mail carrier and the ex gf looked very similar when watching it for the first time, so I guess some speculation could have started then. It was later addressed and shown this wasn't the case IIRC.

:moo:

I can think of a few ways they might be familiar with each other. They could go to the same church, they might both fish snd know each other from the lake, he might receive a lot of packages, which have to be delivered directly to him,,they may have gone to school together, they may have children the same age,she could have evn been a babysitter when DR was younger. Somehow, I can't see it working in his favor if it ended up that all of the women involved in the case were his exes. For that reason alone, I hope they never dated.:moo:

 

[Money Girl]

If my child is missing, and I am relying upon a group of public servants to find him, then I am not going to criticize them by saying " what took them so long to search the lake---I told them from day one my kid had his fishing pole with him."

That is how I interpret his comment. While 'berating' might be a bit too strong, he was being critical, imo.

I took the comment just as a father wanting his missing son found.

 

[katydid23]

I took the comment just as a father wanting his missing son found.

He could say that in a more positive and less critical way, imo. He could have said " I am glad they searching the lake now...' as opposed to ' What took them so long?' JMO

 

[tresptip]

Is is it possible that LE didn't search the lake from day one because they didn't buy the fishing pole story?What would have lead LE to believe that MR might be trying to thwart the investigation or would there have been some other reason?Are there certain procedures they go through?

 

[katydid23]

Is is it possible that LE didn't search the lake from day one because they didn't buy the fishing pole story?What would have lead LE to believe that MR might be trying to thwart the investigation or would there have been some other reason?Are there certain procedures they go through?

But I think they did in fact search the lake starting on the very first night.

ETA: they sent search and rescue teams to the lake from the first day. But Mark was criticising them for waiting a week to get the boats and the sonars to look for the body in the lake, IIRC.

 

[Eileen730]

So you think that it's possible that this Mail carrier woman has a personal relationship with Mark and that's why she went on the Dr Phil show and spoke about her sighting of Dylan.

It sounds like your saying that she has a reason to be biased about this case. Is that what your saying or am I wrong?

I would think that because MR was out of town so much he would have a PO box or his mail held and he would pick it up!

How she would know Dylan and what he looks like is a very good question.
And id be interested to know how she knows this.

Why would she know who Dyln is but not the other boy he was walking with.
Dylan wasnt there that often.

JMO

 

[Eileen730]

I wouldn't feel it was nefarious. Everyone in that area seems to know everyone else. I'd think it was unusual if they didn't know each other.

Im not so sure about that!
What makes you say they all seem to know everyone else?

 

[tresptip]

If my child is missing, and I am relying upon a group of public servants to find him, then I am not going to criticize them by saying " what took them so long to search the lake---I told them from day one my kid had his fishing pole with him."

That is how I interpret his comment. While 'berating' might be a bit too strong, he was being critical, imo.

He sure sounded positive about Dylan having the fishing pole in that comment whereas in another comment he didn't know if Dylan had it with him or not.

 

[SCHMAE]

OT but after catching up and seeing all the comments of how peaceful and civil the overnight discussion was, I feel a little bad posting ! I was hearing the song '' and tore apart our happy home in Memphis Tennessee ' !

As for the postal lady's sighting, if LE rules it in or out , that is all that matters, not MR or ER's opinion of it. I think the lady might be mistaken, good intentions, but mistaken because LE has not said much that leads me to believe DR was sighted that afternoon.

 

[Kamille]

So you think that it's possible that this Mail carrier woman has a personal relationship with Mark and that's why she went on the Dr Phil show and spoke about her sighting of Dylan.

It sounds like your saying that she has a reason to be biased about this case. Is that what your saying or am I wrong?

Well not exactly. What I'm questioning is the way that this mail carrier passed on the information to LE and how she came to think that it was Dylan she saw.

At first it appeared that she claimed that she saw two boys and she thought one of them might be Dylan. Now this was after she spoke with MR and found out that his son was missing. On the Dr Phil show she seems to be more sure of it. How is that? What or who is influencing her to think this?

So how did that conversation with MR and the mail carrier go regarding Dylan?

I'm really not sure what was going on around MR's house on Tuesday November 20th when this supposed meeting between them happened. At what point did LE actually open an investigation into Dylan's disappearance and go through the house for the initial walk about. Did they take MR in for questioning or just ask him some questions at the house? Was there just one officer there on Tuesday taking info and looking around?

When did LE start putting out the information that Dylan was missing? It appears as though this mail carrier did not know this at the time she saw and spoke with MR. So was she doing her route on Tuesday and saw LE at his home and asked him what was up? And did he tell her that his son was missing and hadn't come home all night. Maybe at this point she said something like, that's funny you say that. I saw a couple of boys walking on the side of the road down by the Country Market yesterday afternoon that I didn't recognize. I thought one of them might have been one of your sons because he was blond. And IF MR knew that this couldn't be Dylan but he needed a sighting to help his story, it would be very easy for him to convince this woman that it likely was in fact his younger son Dylan who happened to be missing.

I just don't see how the local mail carrier would know Dylan well enough to recognize him walking down a county road while she's driving by and not know who the other boy with him was. Dylan did not live there and had spent little time there in the past three years.

I just can't imagine that anyone would give false information to LE to help out a friend/boyfriend unless they knew about or were involved in the crime. So I don't believe she's doing this. I just think that her sighting may have been influenced by the conversation that she had with MR.

If she had gone directly to LE with this sighting and never spoke to MR first, I'd feel more comfortable with her information I suppose.

MOO

 

[Eileen730]

A question I have is why did he decide to do these errands that morning?
If he just decided to do these things that morning or it was preplanned. Did he have an apt or did he just drop in!
Why not wait for your son to wake up and take him with you?

 

[Kamille]

He sure sounded positive about Dylan having the fishing pole in that comment whereas in another comment he didn't know if Dylan had it with him or not.

MR has made subtle changes to a lot of his story IMO. I guess a lot depends on what he told LE in the first place. But he's got an uncanny way of taking the discrepancies and rewording things to make it appear as though he never said that at all. It's kind of a case of "forget what I said, this is what I meant". I'm seeing a lot of that in the Jodi Arias trial.

MOO

 

[Money Girl]

A question I have is why did he decide to do these errands that morning?
If he just decided to do these things that morning or it was preplanned. Did he have an apt or did he just drop in!
Why not wait for your son to wake up and take him with you?

IIRC, they were preplanned appointments.

From experience, I know timesheets/expense reports HAVE to be turned in by a certain time on Monday a.m. for certain jobs.

 

[tresptip]

A question I have is why did he decide to do these errands that morning?
If he just decided to do these things that morning or it was preplanned. Did he have an apt or did he just drop in!
Why not wait for your son to wake up and take him with you?

I can see why he wouldn't wake him up.I think most 13 yr olds would rather sleep in then to be dragged to a depressingly boring divorce lawyer meeting.

 

[SCHMAE]

A question I have is why did he decide to do these errands that morning?
If he just decided to do these things that morning or it was preplanned. Did he have an apt or did he just drop in!
Why not wait for your son to wake up and take him with you?

My guess on the work thing is that if he'd been out of town before, then a weekend , its' probably standard to go to the office the first business day after a trip to get your pay or reimbursement for expense/fuel/mileage etc. as quickly as you can.

As for the lawyer, I just had a thought ! Could MR have been attempting to fight for custody again? I understand he had just recently lost the 50 / 50 because of the move but some folks are sore losers or just don't mind spending all their money on lawyers to make a point. So I'm wondering could his lawyer have said ' once dylan is in YOUR custody we can file an emergency request for change '' ? Or something like that. If I'm talking nonsense , someone correct me. It was just a thought I had of why the divorce lawyer as soon as he gets Dylan in his possession.
Because I know sometimes if a child goes to visit a parent and says something like ' i was abused' or ' i was left for 3 days with no food' ( im making UP reasons and not implying by any stretch that DR said these things, just thinking out loud of how it could go ) then that parent can file for an emergency change in custody to ' protect the child' while it's sorted out through court. Could MR have been trying something like that ?
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