CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #45

[Tricia]

What I find the most disturbing is that not only did Dylan find the photo's, but Dylan had just confronted MR about these photo's in Sept. Could that be a motive for murder?

Let's be careful here. No one ever said Dylan "Confronted" his father about the pictures. What was said was Dylan discussed the pictures with his father.

BIG DIFFERENCE.

 

[cluciano63]

It is hard to know what to wish for as it is difficult to picture any scenario where Dylan is being held prisoner and not also being subject to additional abuse. No sane, kind person is going to keep him locked or tied up all of these months so that only leaves an insane, unkind person, Imo.

Too much time has passed for any accomplice of MR to claim they thought they were "helping" Dylan in some way, and Dylan is too old to buy any stories like that anyway.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

Elaine didn't say she was granted full custody. She said they have shared parenting and she had more (shared parenting?) granted when she moved to Colorado Springs. And Elaine didn't say it was court ordered visitation (that connotes force) but that Thanksgiving was simply Mark's holiday with Dylan. Up until Dylan's disappearance, according to Elaine, the argument in the divorce was about assets and Mark was (understandably) unhappy with his son being 300 miles away.

 

[song22]

Elaine didn't say she was granted full custody. She said they have shared parenting and she had more (shared parenting?) granted when she moved to Colorado Springs. And Elaine didn't say it was court ordered visitation (that connotes force) but that Thanksgiving was simply Mark's holiday with Dylan. Up until Dylan's disappearance, according to Elaine, the argument in the divorce was about assets and Mark was (understandably) unhappy with his son being 300 miles away.

Colorado doesnt use the term full custody but there was a change in their parenting arrangement per the courts and ER got primary parenting responsibilities, no longer joint parenting. It was court ordered visitation, but that just means it was a switch in holidays oredered by the courts.

 

[scorekeeper]

Colorado doesnt use the term full custody but there was a change in their parenting arrangement per the courts and ER got primary parenting responsibilities, no longer joint parenting. It was court ordered visitation, but that just means it was a switch in holidays oredered by the courts.

But the thing is, how did Mark perceive the change? He did have joint custody - then Elaine was granted Primary Custody - which seems to me the standard court order visitation guidelines went into effect....meaning Mark would have to follow what the court said for visitation....and therefore, another loss of control

Mark had Thanksgiving, Elaine had Christmas.....but we all know what happened at the Thanksgiving visitation....Dylan disappeared!

JMO

 

[katydid23]

Fetishes are only a problem when they disrupt normal activity. While one might say that your children seeing them disrupts life, there is no evidence that Mark's fetishes stopped him from functioning in life (work, friends, or even fatherhood since this is apparently two year old information).

Also, I haven't seen anyone speak of increasing alcohol abuse except in speculation. Yes, we all saw him say he drank 1/2 a small bottle of Jim Beam on DP. His ex-wives both indicate he didn't drink to excess while they were together and Elaine states that she didn't see Mark or hear from Dylan that Mark was drinking to excess or abusing alcohol.

BBM

I disagree. I think Mark was very isolated and estranged from friends and family. I think he had devolved and was in a very sad and lonely existence. JMO

This particular fetish is not like 'regular' ones---like a foot fetish or something more acceptable. This fetish is pretty shameful in many way sand would likely affect one's self esteem, imo.

 

[mmmagique]

I just came across this on facebook and found it interesting.
This is Kaine Horman describing how Terri reacted to the polygraph tests and results.

She fully cooperated and took the first polygraph then subsequently vented her failed results to all family, friends, and law enforcement at the house. A few days later she cooperated and went to take a second polygraph test but got up and walked out before the machine portion of the test could be administered... again by her own statement to family, friends, and law enforcement at the house ...

She continually pushed back and refused to repeat the second test for several days (approx. 8-10) before going to take the test and then once again coming back to the house and venting to all listeners.

 

[katydid23]

Elaine is a victim as well as her son, Dylan. Just maybe Mark Redwine is a victim too. This is a crime against a child. I dislike picking her words apart or questioning her, but I feel it necessary to view all of the people surrounding Dylan Redwine with discernment as I try in my own mind to form an opinion of what happened to him and who might be responsible. Please, understand that is where I am coming from.

Knowing what you know about Mark NOW, would you want him to be caring for your child al alone in his cabin?

 

[katydid23]

Let's be careful here. No one ever said Dylan "Confronted" his father about the pictures. What was said was Dylan discussed the pictures with his father.

BIG DIFFERENCE.

True. But even then, it had to be pretty awkward, and very uncomfortable for both of them. And I have to wonder how Dylan felt a couple of months later, after reflecting upon it all. He was almost 14, and had grown up a bit more. I think he may have been different than Mark expected him to be in his most recent visit. JMO

 

[ColdHands]

Knowing what you know about Mark NOW, would you want him to be caring for your child al alone in his cabin?

ER knew about MR because 1) she lived with him so she knew what he was like besides the fetish and 2) the boys told her they saw the photos. Yet neither Elaine nor CR felt there was a threat.

 

[cluciano63]

I say, this would have to be the strangest backstory and set of coincidental events in history, if Dylan happened to run into the stranger/boogie man too.

 

[ColdHands]

I just came across this on facebook and found it interesting.
This is Kaine Horman describing how Terri reacted to the polygraph tests and results.

She fully cooperated and took the first polygraph then subsequently vented her failed results to all family, friends, and law enforcement at the house. A few days later she cooperated and went to take a second polygraph test but got up and walked out before the machine portion of the test could be administered... again by her own statement to family, friends, and law enforcement at the house ...

She continually pushed back and refused to repeat the second test for several days (approx. 8-10) before going to take the test and then once again coming back to the house and venting to all listeners.

If you want more déjà vu, read up on Leann "Annie" Meyer's roommate - there's a thread on the Missing forums here. I about fell out of my chair when I read one of Annie's brother's statements.

 

[mmmagique]

I just had a random thought and was wondering if this possibility has been posted or discussed. I keep thinking about the Dr. Phil show and MR's behavior and actions (or lack thereof). We have all basically said, "something's not adding up". It seems to be more than black or white, meaning he did this or he didn't. Do you think that just possibly he could have indeed stashed Dylan away somewhere and *never* suspected this to get to the point where it has now...and that he doesn't know how to get himself out of this? Do you think that it's possible Dylan *is* still alive being held somewhere but MR just doesn't know what to do that won't send him to jail for a very long time? He seems to have women coming forward (the ex girlfriend and the mail carrier) who vouch for him. Could he have possibly talked someone in to keeping Dylan? Maybe this is just my wishful thinking, but is there a remote chance or is this too fanciful? Does MR have an attorney? If so, and this is a real scenario, the attorney could help unwind this.
Really a stretch, I know. Let's find Dylan!

It's a lovely thought, and one I halfway believed for some time. I do believe that if this were the case, however, he would have spilled it to Dr. Phil. I could see when they were in that little room together, that he was thisclose to saying...something...

*sigh*

But after the Dr. Phil show, I've come to a different, much darker conclusion.

 

[mmmagique]

BBM - That was what I heard as well. I would want to have more recent, personal information about his drinking in order to declare his drinking an issue at the time of Dylan's disappearance. No doubt about it, he let drinking get in the way of his LDT on Dr Phil.

I'd be interested in hearing a psychiatrist's opinion on those 3 fetishes being wrapped together - apparently all in the same pictures? Or do we believe those were separate pictures? Is it common for these particular fetishes to overlap like that?

It is very common for fetishes to overlap. These seem to go in the "humilation/degradation/objectification" part of the spectrum. (with a bit of sissification thrown in for good measure)

 

[scorekeeper]

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=DNR

Prayers for Elaine, Cory and Dylan

 

[katydid23]

ER knew about MR because 1) she lived with him so she knew what he was like besides the fetish and 2) the boys told her they saw the photos. Yet neither Elaine nor CR felt there was a threat.

There was a court order, so she had no real choice. I think if it was totally up to her, she would not have sent her son on that plane.

Of course she has to deal with it now, and she has to figure out how to handle it emotionally. She saw no threat because if she had, she would have defied the court order. She is in a lose/lose situation, imo.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

ER knew about MR because 1) she lived with him so she knew what he was like besides the fetish and 2) the boys told her they saw the photos. Yet neither Elaine nor CR felt there was a threat.

I have some questions along these lines myself but I had questions about moderation in regards to this kind of discussion so I asked for guidance from the Mods.

I haven't heard back about how far we are allowed to discuss why this family waited on disclosing this information and what it could mean.

Until then. I will keep my thoughts to myself.

 

[scorekeeper]

https://www.facebook.com/pinerivertimes?ref=ts&fref=ts&filter=2

it seems Pine River Times wants to report on the fetish but doesn't know how to fit the story into a family paper.....wow

 

[cluciano63]

It's a lovely thought, and one I halfway believed for some time. I do believe that if this were the case, however, he would have spilled it to Dr. Phil. I could see when they were in that little room together, that he was thisclose to saying...something...

*sigh*

But after the Dr. Phil show, I've come to a different, much darker conclusion.

To me, being held prisoner is not a lovely thought at all, no matter the "reasoning" behind it. It is at the very least deprivation of liberty and possibly much worse.

 

[mmmagique]

If you want more déjà vu, read up on Leann "Annie" Meyer's roommate - there's a thread on the Missing forums here. I about fell out of my chair when I read one of Annie's brother's statements.

Ok, now you're just teasing me! What did he say?!!