CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #45

[Redhead72]

I doubt it, or it would have happened at that time. Seems like that would have been the time when he was most angry, not two months later.

Maybe he brought it up again though... I know I had/have a sometimes horrible habit of bringing up things that should have been resolved, but in the heat of an argument I might say something about them if it still bothers me. A teenager would have even less of a "filter" on that type of behavior - especially if it was something he knew he could mention in a passive-aggressive manner that would really hurt MR in some way. I can easily imagine all sorts of bad ways it could go at that point.

Unfortunately, children at that age are likely to say things that will really get them in trouble - even if they know there is a risk they will be hit/beaten for it (not saying that Dylan thought it was a risk), just that I know I said everything I could to try to get back at my father when he was trying to make me feel bad about myself, or trying to control me in some way - even though I knew he would hit me, or "spank" me...

By the time I was 16, I ended up hitting him back (punched him hard right in the temple), and when I went to swing with my left, my father then dislocated my shoulder, but it was the last time my father ever hit me/hurt me again (which is perhaps why I can identify so easily with CR and his altercation with MR). Also note - size doesn't matter that much as I would do this even when my father was 5'11" and 265 lbs. and I was 5'4" and only weighed about 120.
[Not saying this for any pity, in fact, just thinking about that fight even with the lasting injury that still gives me trouble I am glad I did it. I'm just explaining what sometimes is reality for children in abusive families... we don't behave as "normal" all of the time, but it's "normal" for an "abnormal" situation.]

Also, we do not know that perhaps MR hadn't been "stewing" about the pictures since the last visit, and adding that into the custody change, etc... it could be just one more part of the whole picture... IF MR did do something to Dylan that is. Which has been, and remains... MOO!

As always, all of the above is MOO! :cow:

 

[SCHMAE]

Dan Bender, Public Information Officer for the La Plata County Sheriff's Office, confirmed that the investigation is still active, but said there are no new developments in the case, which is the focus of a five-agency task force involving his office as well as the Durango Police Department, the Bayfield Marshall's Office, the Colorado Bureau of Investigation and the FBI.
Bender said immediately following Dylan's parents' contentious appearance on the Dr. Phil television show at the end of February, the Sheriff's Office tipline received over 500 calls, and the task force is following up on tips that were generated by some of these calls.
"We do believe there is foul play involved," Bender said. "We're following everything up, and are now treating this as a possible abduction. We have ruled out the possibility that this is a runaway case."
Bender would not confirm or deny that family members may have been involved in Dylan's disappearance.

BBM

Oh God, Dan. Please please please just say family or non-family. One word. Please. :banghead:

Right? Did he just take it from confusing to outer wordly confusing ? " Possible" abduction........... sigh .

 

[SCHMAE]

I doubt it, or it would have happened at that time. Seems like that would have been the time when he was most angry, not two months later.

Can you imagine? The only reason the pics and all that came up is because they ' had' to go to the dr phil show because MR was not willing to talk prior to, blocked numbers etc. So if for some reason this were MR's motive to do something to DR ( which I personally do not believe these pics were motive, just speculating here ) then how ironic that they would never have been released but for MR's own actions after DR's disappearance. IDK is that irony or karma ?

 

[Redhead72]

I dont think that true. what if Dylan used those pics to get back at MR.
LIke
Ïf you dont let me go see my friends ill tell everyone about those pictures of yours!

A sort of blackmail!

SPECULATION AHEAD:

Exactly, Eileen... I look back now and think it was ridiculous of me, and it was such a risk, but I once threatened my Dad with telling on him about the sexual abuse I suffered simply because he wouldn't let me go to a HS B-ball game and see my friends!!! *smh* My p's left to go out to dinner, and I wrote a note talking about it in code - that if they came to get me at the game I'd tell everyone right there in the middle of the whole gym, in front of EVERYONE and their mothers... literally.

It's embarrassing, and rather silly to me now to think about it, but I've come to understand that I was trying to exert some level of control and power over the situation with my parents - more specifically over my father, mixed in with normal teenage angst, and rebellion.

I'm thinking there may have been something said by MR about ER trying to turn his kids against him (as he alluded to in the DP show), and DR could have even just said something like, "She wouldn't need to say anything bad to make me think less of you" and then mentioned the pictures...

Gosh, there are just so many ways I can now see this having gone - DR had some power over MR, and if MR truly is someone who suffers from ASPD, or is psychopathic that would be the worst thing they could imagine, imo.

As always, all of the above is MOO! :cow:

 

[Bayou Mistress]

I dont think that true. what if Dylan used those pics to get back at MR.
LIke
Ïf you dont let me go see my friends ill tell everyone about those pictures of yours!

A sort of blackmail!

Nothing anyone has said about Dylan points to this kind of behavior from him. His Mother describes him as selfless, respectful, active, and avid baseball player and an all around wonderful person. Dylan's friends view Mark and Dylan as buddies. His father had nothing bad to say about Dylan's personality other than not being sure what goes through a 13 year old's head sometimes. The text messages Dylan sent to his friend indicate an acceptance of waiting until the next day to see them. And IMO, that was not unreasonable for Mark to have said not tonight.

 

[TxLady2]

Dan Bender, Public Information Officer for the La Plata County Sheriff's Office, confirmed that the investigation is still active, but said there are no new developments in the case, which is the focus of a five-agency task force involving his office as well as the Durango Police Department, the Bayfield Marshall's Office, the Colorado Bureau of Investigation and the FBI.
Bender said immediately following Dylan's parents' contentious appearance on the Dr. Phil television show at the end of February, the Sheriff's Office tipline received over 500 calls, and the task force is following up on tips that were generated by some of these calls.
"We do believe there is foul play involved," Bender said. "We're following everything up, and are now treating this as a possible abduction. We have ruled out the possibility that this is a runaway case."
Bender would not confirm or deny that family members may have been involved in Dylan's disappearance.

BBM

Oh God, Dan. Please please please just say family or non-family. One word. Please. :banghead:

Interesting that he says family members... plural.
And, they are treating this as a possible abduction.
Don't quite know what to make of that.

 

[SCHMAE]

Interesting that he says family members... plural.
And, they are treating this as a possible abduction.
Don't quite know what to make of that.

Actually that may be the reporters words.
Reporter asks ' are any family members involved'
Bender says no comment or something and that
is whats reported. It's not in quotes so I'm guessing
those are not Benders' words.
Every statement Bender makes is encrypted, right?
Or it seems that way. He's got a future in the CIA !

Is a ' possible abduction' just another way to say something happened in the home or outside of the home ? Another one of those
super informative statements !

 

[TxLady2]

I dont think that true. what if Dylan used those pics to get back at MR.
LIke
Ïf you dont let me go see my friends ill tell everyone about those pictures of yours!

A sort of blackmail!

You don't think what's true? My opinion?
When someone says it "seems like" that means it's an opinion. Whether you agree with that or not, doesn't matter to me, but it has nothing to do with true or false. It's an opinion. Ok????

 

[Redhead72]

Nothing anyone has said about Dylan points to this kind of behavior from him. His Mother describes him as selfless, respectful, active, and avid baseball player and an all around wonderful person. Dylan's friends view Mark and Dylan as buddies. His father had nothing bad to say about Dylan's personality other than not being sure what goes through a 13 year old's head sometimes. The text messages Dylan sent to his friend indicate an acceptance of waiting until the next day to see them. And IMO, that was not unreasonable for Mark to have said not tonight.

Just a point of fact - None of my friends, nor other members of my family would have said anything different about me when I was a teenager, either. And, I never treated my mother with the disrespect, and disdain with which I interacted with my father. It would have been horrible for me to do so because my Mother was a victim as well... Also, none of my friends ever knew about the abuse going on in my family, either. Abusive people are often very good at hiding their behavior around others. Witness the number of times we've heard of "upstanding citizens" being accused of horrific crimes, and neighbors who say "he/she was always so nice", etc... What the outside world sees if often a much different picture than the reality behind closed doors.

 

[Eileen730]

SPECULATION AHEAD:

Exactly, Eileen... I look back now and think it was ridiculous of me, and it was such a risk, but I once threatened my Dad with telling on him about the sexual abuse I suffered simply because he wouldn't let me go to a HS B-ball game and see my friends!!! *smh* My p's left to go out to dinner, and I wrote a note talking about it in code - that if they came to get me at the game I'd tell everyone right there in the middle of the whole gym, in front of EVERYONE and their mothers... literally.

It's embarrassing, and rather silly to me now to think about it, but I've come to understand that I was trying to exert some level of control and power over the situation with my parents - more specifically over my father, mixed in with normal teenage angst, and rebellion.

I'm thinking there may have been something said by MR about ER trying to turn his kids against him (as he alluded to in the DP show), and DR could have even just said something like, "She wouldn't need to say anything bad to make me think less of you" and then mentioned the pictures...

Gosh, there are just so many ways I can now see this having gone - DR had some power over MR, and if MR truly is someone who suffers from ASPD, or is psychopathic that would be the worst thing they could imagine, imo.

As always, all of the above is MOO! :cow:

Hey I agree!
And I also think this man has some very serious problems.
JMO

 

[SCHMAE]

I doubt it, or it would have happened at that time. Seems like that would have been the time when he was most angry, not two months later.

Unless when DR first saw them was BEFORE that final court hearing ? Hmm
Wish we had a better timeline on when DR was at MR's house vs. when that last visit with the judge was.

Sorry my point being MR might have been super upset but contained himself if , for example, court was next week and he
was trying to get custody , see?

 

[The Cheese]

Interesting that he says family members... plural.
And, they are treating this as a possible abduction.
Don't quite know what to make of that.

I'm thinking anyone who knew about those pics had a motivation for abducting Dylan in a misguided attempt to "protect" him.

 

[daisy.faithfull]

Nothing anyone has said about Dylan points to this kind of behavior from him. His Mother describes him as selfless, respectful, active, and avid baseball player and an all around wonderful person. Dylan's friends view Mark and Dylan as buddies. His father had nothing bad to say about Dylan's personality other than not being sure what goes through a 13 year old's head sometimes. The text messages Dylan sent to his friend indicate an acceptance of waiting until the next day to see them. And IMO, that was not unreasonable for Mark to have said not tonight.

If I knew what Dylan knew about his father I wouldn't want to be around him. I wouldn't hold it against Dylan if he did whatever he felt he had to do to be with his friends. moo

 

[MissJ]

MOO but I'm wondering now about some of MR's circular statements about DR not going in his ( MR's) room and when DR is there its just the TWO of them. What if DR did go in MR's room? Was there something he shouldn't have seen? I wondered, at the time, why even bring up odd statements like this unless there was some underlying reason. JMO. MR did mention WE picked him up at the airport, etc. Maybe it wasn't just the two of them. Maybe nothing...JMO

 

[Eileen730]

Nothing anyone has said about Dylan points to this kind of behavior from him. His Mother describes him as selfless, respectful, active, and avid baseball player and an all around wonderful person. Dylan's friends view Mark and Dylan as buddies. His father had nothing bad to say about Dylan's personality other than not being sure what goes through a 13 year old's head sometimes. The text messages Dylan sent to his friend indicate an acceptance of waiting until the next day to see them. And IMO, that was not unreasonable for Mark to have said not tonight.

Well IMO something happend that evening.
He is one way with his mom and friends and possibly another way with his dad.
Ive rasied my share of 13 yr olds.
Personally I do not think Dylan accepted waiting, he had to wait.
His messages were very short and didnt say alot.
then he was never heard from again!

I dont disagree If Mark said not tonight but when you look at the entire pic. his friends were waiting for him this was all pre planned why not drop him off on the way from the airport its on the way instead of getting up at 530 to go in the morning. Mark already had his own plans for the next day sooooo what would it hurt?

He never contacted his child prior to his arrival. No plans were ever made.
What did he expect!

I think dylan finding thos pics changed his perspective on his father drastically.
I think both sons lost all respect for their father.

All JMO

 

[MissJ]

Well IMO something happend that evening.
He is one way with his mom and friends and possibly another way with his dad.
Ive rasied my share of 13 yr olds.
Personally I do not think Dylan accepted waiting, he had to wait.
His messages were very short and didnt say alot.
then he was never heard from again!

I dont disagree If Mark said not tonight but when you look at the entire pic. his friends were waiting for him this was all pre planned why not drop him off on the way from the airport its on the way instead of getting up at 530 to go in the morning. Mark already had his own plans for the next day sooooo what would it hurt?

He never contacted his child prior to his arrival. No plans were ever made.
What did he expect!

I think dylan finding thos pics changed his perspective on his father drastically.
I think both sons lost all respect for their father.

All JMO

I agree 100%. MR doesn't seem to be someone who would take that well. I see this as a big factor. Certainly don't see them as buddies! MOO

 

[Eileen730]

I'm thinking anyone who knew about those pics had a motivation for abducting Dylan in a misguided attempt to "protect" him.

Or "QUIET"him!

 

[The Cheese]

Or "QUIET"him!

Yep and that could be just a few people or a large group. Wow. LE/FBI/CBI has certainly had their work cut out for them.

 

[SCHMAE]

Yep and that could be just a few people or a large group. Wow. LE/FBI/CBI has certainly had their work cut out for them.

OMG ! I just had a thought! Seems silly but try to open the mind and think about this. What if the only pics we are ' PRIVY" to are the ones of MR but there are other pics of other people performing the same or similar acts? Those people may definitely NOT want this info out there. Like with any ' sub culture' there are folks in high and low places. Maybe there is someone who had a really vested interest in quieting the noise of the photos being found. Hmmm
Is that ridiculous ?

ETA And yes , for anyone counting, I've just thrown another bone MR's way !

 

[SuperMom1995]

Hmm maybe CR saw that pole while they were searching and thought oh hey there's DR' pole and then was surpised to hear later that MR said DR"s pole was gone?
Another thing I've thought on the PHIL show when the exchange between MR and CR re : the pole, did anyone else feel that MR was going to keep talking but CR interrupted him? I can remember at the time I heard it the first time or ' fresh' that I thought maybe MR was going to say ' it was by the tv ..............where I set it out ESPECIALLY for this week so DR would not have to go dig it out of the garage' or something like that. It's not uncommon when you're having a visit to set out things you know you're likely to need during that visit so they're easy to get to if anyone needs them. Food for thought............ throwing MR a bone.........again. moooo


eta OOPS sorry Seajay , I see you wrote about the same thing re: the pole !

A few posters have commented on the way Cory behaved with MR on the DP show and it is MOO but I believe that Cory has years of pent up anger at Mark which has extremely intensified since Dylan went missing and I also think he may have been trying to upset MR to get him to show how easy to anger he is. Again, JMO