CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #45

[TxJan1971]

Maybe he is afraid of other questions in light of these other revelations of his personal life. jmo

Definitely, this may be true, yes.

My question is, if MR chooses to remain afraid, how does that help bring his son home?

Do we all just give up, sit back, and wait for MR to not be afraid any more?

I'll bet Dylan is afraid... or WAS afraid...

Perhaps it's not important that Dylan is or was afraid - perhaps it is more important that MR is afraid. That's what it feels like in this case.

Shouldn't a loving father be willing to do anything to protect his child even if it means taking a bullet for his child or jumping in front of a moving vehicle to push your child out of the way of harm or risk revealing "secrets" if it means you can be cleared and possibly get your son back?

Wasn't missing Sierra L's father also "afraid" in light of his RSO history, but for the sake of finding his daughter, he came out and publicly admitted it to move the investigation forward?

I'm not seeing a similar type of fatherly love from MR and that is where I have deep concern.

All just my thoughts and opinion at the moment

 

[Emma Ems]

Many men (and women) keep their fetishes secret from friends and family. The darker the secret, the less likely they are to share it with anyone in the "vanilla" world. They can get online and join communities that are into whatever it is they are into. They can call phone sex operators that cater to their particular fetish, they can hire a hooker that caters (or pretends to cater) to that particular fetish.

Have you read 50 Shades of Grey? You used a term from the book. If you have you know that while Anastasia enjoyed the milder forms of BDSM but not he hard core stuff Mr Grey liked. However, she did try to indulge in the more hardcore aspects because it made him happy. It was mentioned there were three pictures, not sure if there were more, but if not and the how long ago with was makes me wonder if it wasn't possible that Mark had been involved with someone freaky like that and "tried" to indulge his partner. Maybe it got a bit too much for him and he ended that little trial. While it is a new development we really don't know what the actual explanation was for this. It could have been quite a few things IMO and I do imagine it would be hard to explain if asked by your child, but I don't see where it would be specifically, at this point in time, a motive to harm someone over.

 

[deoneta]

Maybe he is afraid of other questions in light of these other revelations of his personal life. jmo

I'd say he is definitely afraid to take another one. Maybe the kink excuse can be added to the Jim Beam excuse. I don't know. But I don't think he'll take another one. All MOO

 

[deoneta]

Have you read 50 Shades of Grey? You used a term from the book. If you have you know that while Anastasia enjoyed the milder forms of BDSM but not he hard core stuff Mr Grey liked. However, she did try to indulge in the more hardcore aspects because it made him happy. It was mentioned there were three pictures, not sure if there were more, but if not and the how long ago with was makes me wonder if it wasn't possible that Mark had been involved with someone freaky like that and "tried" to indulge his partner. Maybe it got a bit too much for him and he ended that little trial. While it is a new development we really don't know what the actual explanation was for this. It could have been quite a few things IMO and I do imagine it would be hard to explain if asked by your child, but I don't see where it would be specifically, at this point in time, a motive to harm someone over.

MR's an adult and responsible for whatever he's done. One can as easily speculate that he's gone further than revealed instead of ending his experimentation. The impact on his children is the issue, IMO. All MOO

 

[Money Girl]

Nothing terribly new in this article, but it was published a few hours ago and includes a quote from LE:

The Daily Times, Farmington, March 17 2013

Regardless of all the sideshow-style activity, I am sticking with LE's analysis.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

How sad that if Dylan is found, everyone will know that his father had some fetishes that his other son thought important to share with the general public. Should he have shown/told LE, absolutely. Should he tell the world, I don't think so. Poor Dylan.

 

[DylansMom34]

Other than FMDR, I have seen Elaine only post on one other Facebook page and that was the one she had to ask to shut down.

 

[ColdHands]

I'm struggling to understand what the strategy is here.

Elaine and CR go on a national TV show with the stated goal to get Mark to answer questions. And then they bring out these pictures. How does showing these pictures get Mark to talk?

Elaine and CR are putting pressure on a person who may be deteriorating mentally, who may have a drinking problem and is known to have an anger problem, that is holding a child most likely against his will. Elaine repeated on the show that she still has hope that Mark has Dylan hidden away and we know that she and CR have had that thought since very early on. Is this a safe approach? Safe for Dylan, I mean? And if Dylan is already lost, how far do they intend to push Mark? until he takes himself out of the picture and the ability to get questions answered is lost forever?

Are they making any progress at all? It doesn't seem like it - there's still no contact between Mark and Elaine or CR or anyone as far as I can tell. There's no evidence that Mark has suddenly reversed his ways based on the disclosure and discussion of his behavior. It seems to me IMO that he has withdrawn even more. Will continued pressure "break him?" Will continued pressure actually result in Mark giving them information?

Are there any cases out there where this type of tactic has been successful?

I'm not questioning the appropriateness of "outting" Mark or whether Elaine and CR are justifiably angry at Mark and I'm NOT defending him at all - as far as I'm concerned he's an adult and he makes choices and too bad so sad if people think badly of him for those choices.

I'm questioning the effectiveness of their tactics against Mark in their strategy to find Dylan and bring him home.

 

[mmmagique]

Something else that Elaine told us is being overshadowed a bit.

She said that LE HAS asked Mark to re-take the poly and he has refused.

Well, you know...he probably wasn't feeling good. Who knows what goes on in the head of a middle aged man whose son went missing on his watch?

 

[mmmagique]

Have you read 50 Shades of Grey? You used a term from the book. If you have you know that while Anastasia enjoyed the milder forms of BDSM but not he hard core stuff Mr Grey liked. However, she did try to indulge in the more hardcore aspects because it made him happy. It was mentioned there were three pictures, not sure if there were more, but if not and the how long ago with was makes me wonder if it wasn't possible that Mark had been involved with someone freaky like that and "tried" to indulge his partner. Maybe it got a bit too much for him and he ended that little trial. While it is a new development we really don't know what the actual explanation was for this. It could have been quite a few things IMO and I do imagine it would be hard to explain if asked by your child, but I don't see where it would be specifically, at this point in time, a motive to harm someone over.

I haven't read it. In my line of work, I specialize in and train people in fetishes. I also have many friends in the bdsm lifestyle.

IMO, very few indulge in the most bizarre (imo) fetish he has, and it's not something that someone comes to quickly (if at all) This was not a toe dipped in the water; this is a canon ball dive in the deep end. I have spoken to some men who fantasize about being forced to do so, but as far as I can determine, that is all it is to them...just something to titillate them for a while. Not something they would actually ever do.

I have NO idea if this was a motive, and if not, I'm very sad this came to light. Everyone needs their secrets.

On the other hand, if Dylan DID say something that night regarding mr's proclivities, I can see how things could have escalated out of control...

By the way, which term did I use from the book?

Quote: "Be careful Anais, abnormal pleasures kill the taste for normal ones."

 

[rebeccaeee]

I'm struggling to understand what the strategy is here.

Elaine and CR go on a national TV show with the stated goal to get Mark to answer questions. And then they bring out these pictures. How does showing these pictures get Mark to talk?
Elaine and CR are putting pressure on a person who may be deteriorating mentally, who may have a drinking problem and is known to have an anger problem, that is holding a child most likely against his will. Elaine repeated on the show that she still has hope that Mark has Dylan hidden away and we know that she and CR have had that thought since very early on. Is this a safe approach? Safe for Dylan, I mean? And if Dylan is already lost, how far do they intend to push Mark? until he takes himself out of the picture and the ability to get questions answered is lost forever?
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BBM- If you were not in the audience watching, you do not know how these pictures were brought up. Elaine and Cory both want Dylan to come home but it is my understanding that Cory mentioned the pics, not Elaine. AZG- can you clarify?

If Mark is holding Dylan, I can guarantee you it is AGAINST HIS WILL. No "most likely" about it.

If Dylan is already lost, I think it matters not how far he is pushed nor is it the responsibility of anyone else what Mark does to Mark. This is a man who has refused to clear his name, refused to answer questions about his missing son and, when given the chance to discuss things, used deflection, anger and blame as a communication tool. He's never going to tell us what happened to Dylan IMO. Hopefully, evidence will.

 

[Emma Ems]

Nothing terribly new in this article, but it was published a few hours ago and includes a quote from LE:

The Daily Times, Farmington, March 17 2013

I don't like reading too much into the vague statements of LE but it seems they are pointing at a more clear direction in which they are looking.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

I don't like reading too much into the vague statements of LE but it seems they are pointing at a more clear direction in which they are looking.

What are you saying here?

 

[Emma Ems]

What are you saying here?

I guess I was even more vague than LE. Abduction. Not specifically the type of abduction, just abduction. At least they didn't say homicide. It gives greater hope for Dylan and should make us aware we should not stop looking for him everywhere we go.

 

[azgrandma]

ER knew about MR because 1) she lived with him so she knew what he was like besides the fetish and 2) the boys told her they saw the photos. Yet neither Elaine nor CR felt there was a threat.

I have some questions along these lines myself but I had questions about moderation in regards to this kind of discussion so I asked for guidance from the Mods.

I haven't heard back about how far we are allowed to discuss why this family waited on disclosing this information and what it could mean.
Until then. I will keep my thoughts to myself.

IMO living with a person does not exactly mean that you know all their dirty little secrets. How many times have you (in general) heard about a wife that did not know her husband was a serial murderer, didn't see it coming. People can be great pretenders when there is a lot at stake.

IMO we have no verification that ER (because in MOO CR is not a parent of Dylan so his feelings are not at play here) did not feel that this fetish was a threat. It's one thing to believe OMG that is gross vs. OMG that is gross and now that person is a threat to me/my child.

BBM - IMO it's interesting that on one hand ER is repeatedly being accused of bashing MR and humiliating him publicly, yet when, as we all now know, she has had some very disturbing information for almost two years that JUST now is being released by ER herself, it is now implied (by virtue of the wonder) why the family waited to disclose this information sooner. Sort of a danged if she does and danged if she didn't.

IMO ER has shown great restraint to protect everyone from this fetish on the public forum, yet once again she should've said it earlier but then again if she DID say something about this fetish earlier she would have been accused of being bitter, vindictive and slinging mud.

 

[SuperMom1995]

Above bbm..Exactly!.. MR's accusations are nothing but deflection and the vast majority do not at all take his accusations seriously..
Why is that??..why would an innocent, uninvolved parent.. a father whose son is missing...why would he be deflecting and hurling accusations THAT HE KNOWS ARE UNTRUE and are only being stated to deflect away from him?.. why?

I could not agree more and I just don't see how this issue is not noted by some?.. ER/CR are utterly devastated, even most who are firmly atop the fence WRT Mark's having any involvement, most have even remarked that the pain in especially Elaine is clearly apparent, visible, and undeniable... so, how exactly is it that ER/CR who are closest to Dylan, who are clearly broken beings at this point, distraught from Dylan's being taken from their lives, how is it even being questioned that there full&complete, only motive is anything other than to find Dylan. ..THIS IMO IS WITHOUT QUESTION..ELAINE AND CORY WANT NOTHING MORE THAN DYLAN...THIS IS THE ONLY TOP PRIORITY AND FOCUS!!

If either of these two were uncertain that the answer lied with Mark Redwine.. if they were uncertain IMO THERE WOULD BE FOCUS BEING DIRECTED IN OTHER AREAS, AVENUES, OR POSSIBILITIES... IMO THIS IS CLEAR.. IMO THIS IS AN ISSUE TO WHICH I HAVE NONE, ZERO, ZILCH DOUBT IN MY MIND.. WITHOUT QUESTION IF THESE TWO WERE EVEN THE LEAST BIT UNCERTAIN OF MARK'S INVOLVEMENT THEY WOULD ABSOLUTELY BEING FOCUSING ON THOSE OTHER POSSIBILITIES...

Their laser focus is because they are certain.. and IMO the fact that their focus is singular and laser is truly telling due to the fact that its without doubt that Elaine and Cory's ONLY PRIORITY IS FINDING DYLAN..if Possibilities existed in other areas or people IMO there's zero doubt these two would be head first diving straight toward those possibilities..if it was possible for Dylan to be missing by the hand of any other person than that of Mark Redwine, without doubt Elaine and Cory would be on them like white on rice...just like they are on Mark Redwine..

Mark Redwine does not matter.. is that not clear?..this woman had long since moved on with vast improvements to her and her son's lives..long since moved in the positive direction forward, away from Mark Redwine.. this woman had moved on in every single aspect of her life away from Mark Redwine..he does not matter.. and the ONLY REASON that Elaine is having to be in this position that she is in...the situation which she has unfortunately been forced to have to deal with a man she had worked hard to successfully and positively move her life forward and away from... she is now forced to have her life and now full attention given to a man who she worked hard to put in her past.. there is no way in hell this woman would deal with, much less focus one ounce of her time/attention toward this man UNLESS SHE WERE FORCED TO..

IMO I do not understand how this is in any way a question??
Elaine is undeniably a devastated, pain stricken mother who is broken with her son no longer being here.. Mark Redwine was not, and had not for a very long time been in Elaine's life ..she worked hard and had moved forward in every aspect AWAY FROM MARK REDWINE. and if there was any way in this world that she would be able to continue along that positive, forward path away from Mark she would..

There is only one reason that would force her to put all of her time and attention toward Mark Redwine and that is for Dylan.. if the answer to finding Dylan even possibly lied elsewhere without doubt she would be focusing her time/attention there.. IMO there is but only one reason that could force her to deal with this man..and that reason is her son Dylan, AND finding AND bringing him home.


As many before me have indicated there are countless examples of parents who kill their children and dispose of their bodies.. countless and WS is one of the top sources you can easily verify this fact.. decades worth and in fact in previous threads there have been linked cases documenting over 100+ parents who've killed their children..

Also in the numerous, 4 dozen previous threads of Dylan's there are very good motives that have been given, speculated, and theorized about as to why..tho, MOO is that the truth is there truly is no motive, EVER in any case, period that will even begin to make sense when speaking of MOTIVE for killing any child, much less one of your own flesh and blood..

True it is that there is indeed motive involved.. fact is IMO the motive doesn't even begin to explain, make sense, or is at all logical when speaking of the motive to kill one's child..

IMO the motive is crystal clear *if* Mark Redwine premeditated Dylan's being permanently removed from the situation..and again I'll reiterate *if* its premeditated the motive is clearly regarding the fact that his ex wife successfully moved on, along with extremely recently the courts ruling in Elaine's favor in finding it in Dylan's best interest to live full time with his mom, and his mom's fiance nearly 6 hours away..as well as the courts immediately cutoff the monthly payment Mark hadbeen receiving from Elaine due to her being the breadwinner btwn the two.. that abrubtly not only ended, but the court ordered that Mark REDWINE was to now pay Elaine child support monthly..

IMO THOSE ABOVE EXTREMELY RECENT ISSUES HAVE MOTIVE WRITTEN ALL OVER THEM *IF* HE PREMEDITATED REMOVING DYLAN FROM THE SITUATION PERMANENTLY.JMO.

And if it is ok, since I see new posters, I will take this opportunity to re-post some example cases , from around the country, of fathers killing their children and some of their various motives:

The following are some example cases of fathers who have killed their children for reasons of custody, child support or alimony:

Link: *http://dastardlydads.blogspot.com/20...ed-their.html?

ALABAMA*
Father: PAUL GONZALEZ
Victim(s): Andrea Gonzalez (5 years)
Date of Death: Reported missing in November 1993. Body never recovered.
Custodial father eventually pleads guilty to manslaughter. Stepmother charged with child abuse

Father: CORY RICE
Victim(s): Janiya Nicole Hale (1 year)
Date of Death: July 2009
Father, a registered sex offender, is charged with murder. Daughter died during overnight visitation

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[Eileen730]

I'm struggling to understand what the strategy is here.

Elaine and CR go on a national TV show with the stated goal to get Mark to answer questions. And then they bring out these pictures. How does showing these pictures get Mark to talk?

Elaine and CR are putting pressure on a person who may be deteriorating mentally, who may have a drinking problem and is known to have an anger problem, that is holding a child most likely against his will. Elaine repeated on the show that she still has hope that Mark has Dylan hidden away and we know that she and CR have had that thought since very early on. Is this a safe approach? Safe for Dylan, I mean? And if Dylan is already lost, how far do they intend to push Mark? until he takes himself out of the picture and the ability to get questions answered is lost forever?

Are they making any progress at all? It doesn't seem like it - there's still no contact between Mark and Elaine or CR or anyone as far as I can tell. There's no evidence that Mark has suddenly reversed his ways based on the disclosure and discussion of his behavior. It seems to me IMO that he has withdrawn even more. Will continued pressure "break him?" Will continued pressure actually result in Mark giving them information?

Are there any cases out there where this type of tactic has been successful?

I'm not questioning the appropriateness of "outting" Mark or whether Elaine and CR are justifiably angry at Mark and I'm NOT defending him at all - as far as I'm concerned he's an adult and he makes choices and too bad so sad if people think badly of him for those choices.

I'm questioning the effectiveness of their tactics against Mark in their strategy to find Dylan and bring him home.

I have a feeling those Pictures play a big part in all this!

JMO

 

[Emma Ems]

I haven't read it. In my line of work, I specialize in and train people in fetishes. I also have many friends in the bdsm lifestyle.

IMO, very few indulge in the most bizarre (imo) fetish he has, and it's not something that someone comes to quickly (if at all) This was not a toe dipped in the water; this is a canon ball dive in the deep end. I have spoken to some men who fantasize about being forced to do so, but as far as I can determine, that is all it is to them...just something to titillate them for a while. Not something they would actually ever do.

I have NO idea if this was a motive, and if not, I'm very sad this came to light. Everyone needs their secrets.

On the other hand, if Dylan DID say something that night regarding mr's proclivities, I can see how things could have escalated out of control...

By the way, which term did I use from the book?

Quote: "Be careful Anais, abnormal pleasures kill the taste for normal ones."

LOL Vanilla. That was the term. I do feel people have to start somewhere, someone has to introduce them. Would the "level" of the person who inducted them into the lifestyle determine where they "start"? I can't pretend to know much into the BDSM lifestyle, but I did read that book. It surely makes me far from expert, just that the girl indulged the guy. I guess what I am asking is that ok, you start dating someone new, you really like them, they confide in you their "secret" world of kink and asked you to try it with them, would you? I am a pretty adventurous gal in some aspects, not those pics of Mark I wouldn't exactly jump board immediately to do that, just saying would he? Maybe they had dated a few months started out a bit lower on the scale and progressed forward. Someone mentioned something regarding those pics as depicting him as a submissive. If his dominant ordered him to do these things would he? Isn't the whole role of Dom/Sub about one person needing to control and one needing to be controlled. Putting aside Dr P show interview for now, the other interviews I have seen with Mark show him to be a submissive personality. He is being accused by his ex and in none of those interviews does he lash out at her. Now Dr P, I only view him as defensive. I can't say that I blame him for being defensive as it did seem he was backed into a corner by a talk show host, two angry ex wives, and very ticked off son. Anyone with their back to the wall will fight their way out of that situation for air.

This is MOO

 

[Eileen730]

How sad that if Dylan is found, everyone will know that his father had some fetishes that his other son thought important to share with the general public. Should he have shown/told LE, absolutely. Should he tell the world, I don't think so. Poor Dylan.

Its his own fault! He left the pics on the computer and let his kids use it!
I feel sorry for his children to have seen that crapola.

Can You Imagine?

I am not a prude by any means but that is something your kids should not see!

 

[asyousay]

I just dont get why he would have them photos on a computer his kids had access to , it is very strange IMO