CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #45

[SCHMAE]

No the show was not to get MR to talk. ER started her accusations to the press immediately after Dylan disappeared. MR is not the only one who exhibits issues. If you have to have a judge tell you not to drink and drive with your children in the car, then that person needs help with issues.

We do not know that ER did not GET HELP with that issue , do we ? It's very possible ( i would even say probable) that she did get help and / or stopped. Of all the things stacked up against MR, there is one thing stacked up against ER. She has no other history regarding drinking except for that one accusation and that is MR's accusation . Given his own drinking issues, I don't know that I can even say he can make a valid conclusion about the drinking problems of others. If a judge told her no drinking around the boys, she may have snapped to right then and thought she's going to make some changes in her life. Given we've never heard another WORD about it I would venture to say she's no longer doing it. That's just mooo though. Also I do not think ER started her accusations immediately. I think they began after he refused to talk to her about Dylan. My memory could be wrong on that .

eta,, If ER had serious alcohol problems at any point why wasn't she court ordered into treatment ? Why doesn't she have DWI's? I never put much merit into MR's accusation. Yes it may have happened but I think her 'drinking problems' by his account are blown far out of proportion in an attempt to make himself look better. In fact now that his fetish pics are out there, I would not be surprised if MR doesn't throw a new accusation her way of something equally outlandish . We will see !

 

[MissJ]

I am not MR, and I think that CR (and ER) are responsible for putting this on DP and consequently everywhere else. I assume you aren't calling me a sociopath for an opinion. :what::what::what::what:

MR participated in the pictures. No one made him do it. I merely stated we are all responsible for our own behavior and only a sociopath would think otherwise. I don't know you and certainly don't dislike you. I have no reason to call you anything.:what::what: MOO

 

[scorekeeper]

Something that bothers me a little is MR saying he's worried they were sneaking into his house. That is classic paranoia. One wonders what would make someone paranoid to that extent. And if you are paranoid , for whatever reason, and you need to come up with a plan to catch the person breaking in..... would you ever in a million years think " i know what I'll do. i'll take some pics of me in some outlandish poses and that'll really CATCH those guys from breaking into my house' . Ok, what type of mental capacity do you have to think that's a great idea ? Why not......Oh IDK........stick a thread across your door to see if it's been disturbed? It makes no sense. I know paranoid personalities far more intimately than I would like to. There is no logic involved. I just wonder what brought on this paranoia !

BBM

:floorlaugh:

 

[Eileen730]

Hate to quote myself, but I didn't see a response. How did Cory get the pictures? The photos were said to have been found 2 years ago. What caused Cory to copy the pictures when he found them? If the reason is to show what a sick F MR was, then I have to ask why they weren't used to get Mark out of their lives for good a long time ago? I don't get it.




Why were they hanging on to the photos? What were they waiting for??

Maybe because they are not bad ppl like some are making them out to be!

Sorry I wont attack Elaine nor cory Redwine they are just as much victims of MR as Dylan.
This guy has serious problems!
And maybe it came time to let the cat out of the bag!

I can only blame the man in the mirror! I hope hes talking a good hard long look at himself.
JMO

 

[Eileen730]

According to MR he was the stay at home daddy when the boys were young and ER was ' off having her career' ( which also gave him the financial freedom to stay at home with the boys but he acts like it's a bad thing) So the heaviest influence on the boys as young kids during the most important ' formative ' years was that of MR. So if CR today exhibits some of the behaviors of lashing out , they might have come from what MR taught him as a child ! We learn from our parents, good or bad. moo

"The sins of our Fathers!"

 

[mijamawi]

Maybe because they are not bad ppl like you are making the out to be!

Sorry I wont attack Elaine nor cory Redwine they are just as much victims of MR as Dylan.
This guy has serious problems!
And maybe it came time to let the cat out of the bag!

I can only blame the man in the mirror! I hope hes talking a good hard long look at himself.JMO

WTF? I did not attack, nor did I say they were bad people. I'm asking a question that I think is very important. How did Cory get the pictures? What caused him to copy them? More importantly, why would they not use the pictures to possibly get MR out their lives? I sure as hell would. What is the purpose of saving the pictures if not to use them for some sort of leverage?

 

[Eileen730]

WTF? I did not attack, nor did I say they were bad people. I'm asking a question that I think is very important. How did Cory get the pictures? What caused him to copy them? More importantly, why would they not use the pictures to possibly get MR out their lives? I sure as hell would. What is the purpose of saving the pictures if not to use them for some sort of leverage?

Im sorry I changed that your post was attache to another one I caught it and changed it please accept my apology! I did notmean you i changed it to some on here.

and you save them for.....

For court purposes maybe .
End visitation?
To prove a point? to a judge!

 

[song22]

So then, how does that exalt the person who is responsible for exposing them to the whole world, especially if they have the unfortunate status of being that person's own son? I would say that most people would not want the rest of the world to know this kind of thing. Most children would just burn the pictures and keep that secret to themselves. By exposing those pictures in public, it just proves to me that Cory is as vindictive and controlling as he claims his father is. It was a childish thing to do!
Showing those pictures was not to "get him to talk." It was to publicly humiliate him, to embarrass him, to make everybody believe that this was just further proof that he's guilty. If that had been my son, I would have been ashamed of HIM, not just his father. Mark is obviously very mentally disturbed... what excuse does Cory have?

Burning the pictures or hiding them would be enabling. It is wrong to malign Cory's character, a victim of domestic violence, a victim of a controlling father, humiliated by a man who had sex with another woman on the front lawn, humiliated by a man who puts photographs of himself engaged in a horrific disgusting fetish on his laptop where his sons can find them, a brother who is heartbroken and yes, angry. yes, I agree it was to influence people's opinion of MR. i think it worked and rightly so. where is the empathy for CR who found these pictures? Why should he bear the brunt of condemnation for exposing them while MR gets pity and compassion?

 

[SCHMAE]

WTF? I did not attack, nor did I say they were bad people. I'm asking a question that I think is very important. How did Cory get the pictures? What caused him to copy them? More importantly, why would they not use the pictures to possibly get MR out their lives? I sure as hell would. What is the purpose of saving the pictures if not to use them for some sort of leverage?

I will just speculate because I have no idea the answer. Maybe they knew MR 's personality would cause him to flare up at some point and they did want leverage. Maybe CR never even told ER about them until DR went missing. MR seems the type to keep stirring the pot any chance he gets and they thought if he went back to court to try to get full custody of DR, they might use them then. For all we know they were used during the court hearings in the fall. Or maybe CR never planned to use them and just wanted to forget they even existed until DR went missing.

 

[NC Analyzer]

Burning the pictures or hiding them would be enabling. It is wrong to malign Cory's character, a victim of domestic violence, a victim of a controlling father, humiliated by a man who had sex with another woman on the front lawn, humiliated by a man who puts photographs of himself engaged in a horrific disgusting fetish on his laptop where his sons can find them, a brother who is heartbroken and yes, angry. yes, I agree it was to influence people's opinion of MR. i think it worked and rightly so. where is the empathy for CR who found these pictures? Why should he bear the brunt of condemnation for exposing them while MR gets pity and compassion?

Such a good post, thanks aren't enough! Your compassion for Cory clearly shines through. (((hugs)))

 

[Bayou Mistress]

Ya know all he had to do was talk to her!
Day one!
None of this would be happening?

One could also say that all she needed to do was ask and communicate in a way likely to result in an informative response. Repeatedly asking the same question: Where is Dylan and stating "I KNOW you know" is not conducive to learning what someone knows (unless it's part of an interrogation by a skilled interviewer).

 

[aust amateur slueth]

No the show was not to get MR to talk. ER started her accusations to the press immediately after Dylan disappeared. MR is not the only one who exhibits issues. If you have to have a judge tell you not to drink and drive with your children in the car, then that person needs help with issues.

can you please provide links to articles dated 19th,20th or 21st of November 2012 where ER has made accusations. Also what date was it when the accusation was made about ER drink driving with the children in the car? IIRC it was two years later according to the protective orders. what kind of parent does nothing about a parent drink driving for two years and then only brings it up in a tit for tat protective order? where is the immediate concern for the children if it was true? IIRC it was the excuse used for why MR took the children out of school one day, I'm not sure what taking them out of school once is supposed to do, surely if it was a real concern it would have been raised in the custody case and I doubt if it was in any way true that ER would have been given custody in any form.


I must respectfully disagree with the final sentence of your post. A judge makes their decision based on he said she said, not on actual facts. IMO its more likely that the judge put that in to placate MR, not because ER had been or had any intention of drinking and driving with the children in the car.

IMO the person with issues is the one who continually places blame on everyone else but refuses to accept responsibility for their own actions.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

I do not understand this statement at all. Inadequate by whose standards? How could she have possibly known in aug/sept at court that those pictures would even be a topic of discussion today ? And how is she responsible for ' how they are now being used'? I think that is two different things. Court vs. Current use of pictures. The two have nothing to do with each other and whether or not they were used in court, we have no idea, do we? If she chose not to bring them up , to protect her kids or even possibly MR from embarrassment, that is her choice. She said most of the squabbling in the divorce was over ' assets' so what good would the pictures have done in court over who got what property ?

There was at least one court hearing about Dylan's living arrangements. ER mentions her "primary parenting" award when she moved to Co. Spr. She said she did not bring up the pictures at that time (reference tricia's radio show). But the pictures came up on DP, allegedly by Cory and with ER's knowledge. That's how the pictures are now being used. As a weapon, a tool, a motivator, a plan, an effort at something. Some say to get to the truth, I say to manipulate public opinion. Hope that explains my POV.

 

[mijamawi]

Right. There is no way CR or ER knew at any point prior to Nov 19, what would be going on today. Seems to me like ER's decision in the court case was made because she has some class and would not stoop so low just to humiliate someone. She respected MR's privacy.

I get all this. I'm asking why save the pictures in the first place if not to use them for some kind of leverage at some point in time?

 

[aust amateur slueth]

One could also say that all she needed to do was ask and communicate in a way likely to result in an informative response. Repeatedly asking the same question: Where is Dylan and stating "I KNOW you know" is not conducive to learning what someone knows (unless it's part of an interrogation by a skilled interviewer).

and by the same token how do we know that she did not ask and communicate in a way that should have elicited an informative response?

IMO after being continually stonewalled by MR since the reported day of Dylans disappearance anyone its understandable that ER is not going to be all nicey nice.

and for all we know its possible that ER received advice about how she should question MR. IMO his attitude and mannerisms gave ER the answers she sought.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

There was at least one court hearing about Dylan's living arrangements. ER mentions her "primary parenting" award when she moved to Co. Spr. She said she did not bring up the pictures at that time (reference tricia's radio show). But the pictures came up on DP, allegedly by Cory and with ER's knowledge. That's how the pictures are now being used. As a weapon, a tool, a motivator, a plan, an effort at something. Some say to get to the truth, I say to manipulate public opinion. Hope that explains my POV.

manipulate public opinion in what way? and for what aim? to turn the public against her and CR, because thats whats happened, look how people are now asking why they kept the photos, why they made them public on Dr Phil etc.

IMO if those pictures were going to be used to manipulate they would have been broguht up during the court hearing.

 

[mixologist74]

I'd wager LE has longgg ago had those pics

Like 10 days after Dylan went missing when the FBI took that puter


:twocents:

Good point. LE must not have thought it was necessarily evidentiary, or we'd have heard of it long before DP show.:twocents:

 

[mixologist74]

can you please provide links to articles dated 19th,20th or 21st of November 2012 where ER has made accusations. Also what date was it when the accusation was made about ER drink driving with the children in the car? IIRC it was two years later according to the protective orders. what kind of parent does nothing about a parent drink driving for two years and then only brings it up in a tit for tat protective order? where is the immediate concern for the children if it was true? IIRC it was the excuse used for why MR took the children out of school one day, I'm not sure what taking them out of school once is supposed to do, surely if it was a real concern it would have been raised in the custody case and I doubt if it was in any way true that ER would have been given custody in any form.


I must respectfully disagree with the final sentence of your post. A judge makes their decision based on he said she said, not on actual facts. IMO its more likely that the judge put that in to placate MR, not because ER had been or had any intention of drinking and driving with the children in the car.

IMO the person with issues is the one who continually places blame on everyone else but refuses to accept responsibility for their own actions.

BBM. This came out on the Dr Phil show.

 

[cocomod]

So then, how does that exalt the person who is responsible for exposing them to the whole world, especially if they have the unfortunate status of being that person's own son? I would say that most people would not want the rest of the world to know this kind of thing. Most children would just burn the pictures and keep that secret to themselves. By exposing those pictures in public, it just proves to me that Cory is as vindictive and controlling as he claims his father is. It was a childish thing to do!
Showing those pictures was not to "get him to talk." It was to publicly humiliate him, to embarrass him, to make everybody believe that this was just further proof that he's guilty. If that had been my son, I would have been ashamed of HIM, not just his father. Mark is obviously very mentally disturbed... what excuse does Cory have?

Wow, I can't disagree with you more. Cory is a victim. Mark has been refusing to talk about Dylan. Never, ever, should a child victim be ashamed. He didn't take these pictures, he didn't participate in this horrible fetish, and more importantly he didn't expose his own children to images that they will likely never be able to get out go their minds.

Is Cory angry? You bet he is! And - rightly so! He is defending his younger brother. He is missing his younger brother and he just wants to know what happened to Dylan. He just wants to know where Dylan is. Mark is not cooperating. IF Mark is not responsible, HE is the one that needs to be a man and step up to the plate. HE is the one that needs to answer truthfully and honestly. He should walk away from the bottle for a while and try to help find hs son that is missing but his is NOT about Mark, it is about Dylan.

Where is Dylan?

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Well, it looks like telling about Mark's fetishes backfired on Elaine and Cory big-time.