CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #46

[Deleted member 39678]

If I post something that can explain the circumstances as we know them and it points away from Mark doing something to harm Dylan is that considered as making excuses for him?

 

[raine1212]

If I post something that can explain the circumstances as we know them and it points away from Mark doing something to harm Dylan is that considered as making excuses for him?

Just answering your post. everyone here is entitled to their opinions. We all have to follow the guidelines and TOS. I value all opinions that I read here.

 

[Emma Ems]

If I post something that can explain the circumstances as we know them and it points away from Mark doing something to harm Dylan is that considered as making excuses for him?

I don't view it as making excuses or defending him at all. I view it as presenting a reasonable and/or rational explanation for consideration. To me coming to a logical conclusion is about viewing all the possibilities available.

 

[ColdHands]

How do you know if your texts to someone have been blocked? does it give a message?

 

[song22]

If I post something that can explain the circumstances as we know them and it points away from Mark doing something to harm Dylan is that considered as making excuses for him?

I'm so glad you asked this because I've been trying to sort this out in my own mind. Help me! To me, saying something like, "even with all of those circumstances, I do no think there's enough evidence to suspect MR" makes total sense to me.

Could there be another scenario within TOS? I believe it's absolutely possible. Everything I've said that makes me suspicious of MR has to do with how I perceive his credibility. But he could be lying about a lot of things or just have major issues and be innocent of harming Dylan. I know this is true from other cases I've followed. There's just not a lot of other evidence pointing to another scenario, circumstantial or otherwise. So it's hard to talk about a stranger abduction, for instance. I appreciated it when several posters in this thread a while back were going over possible things that could be done, looking at Campers and cabin renters etc. Following the Lyric and Elizabeth case, we looked at all the RSO's in depth and checked craigslist and found lots of leads (in our own amateur sleuthing minds) and called in tips. I called in two tips I found from craigslist and facebook. I think that's all great.

Do we have to point away from Mark in order to consider some other scenario? I certainly don't want to convince anyone else to think the way I do. I'm just defending my own position. I think it's reasonable to think MR is innocent of harming Dylan. I also think it's totally reasonable to suspect MR and there's nothing ethically or morally wrong with that.

I do think that when it comes to questioning issues of domestic violence or or behaviors that are clearly out of bounds, that trying to explain those away can become enabling and "excuses". Not you, Ranch. <modsnip>. JMO

 

[Bayou Mistress]

How do you know if your texts to someone have been blocked? does it give a message?

Having just implemented this on a Verizon plan, I can say that Verizon doesn't tell them they have been blocked, but any interested party can find on the verizon site a voice recording of the message they party does get. So, an inquiring mind would be able to determine that they have been blocked when unable to access a Verizon phone number by calling it. Texts, however go into the airwaves, never to be acknowledged.

Which raises a question. Was Dylan's phone number attached to his mother's cell service? His Father's cell service? Independent like a trac phone?

 

[song22]

I don't view it as making excuses or defending him at all. I view it as presenting a reasonable and/or rational explanation for consideration. To me coming to a logical conclusion is about viewing all the possibilities available.

Maybe I shouldn't have called them "excuses". Alternative theories or explanations. They do seem to be outside of the usual or the norm.

Dylan is texting away and his phone just dies. That's by no means unheard of--it's just more unusual than not.

Dylan takes everything with him to go fishing and wears no coat. That's not impossible. It's just not what you would normally expect.

Oh, also, when I said about the list of things "It's just crazy!" I didn't mean any of you were crazy for coming up with explanations, I meant for me, it feels crazy for me to have to come up with an alternative explanation for each thing. Sorry about that.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Maybe I shouldn't have called them "excuses". Alternative theories or explanations. They do seem to be outside of the usual or the norm.

Dylan is texting away and his phone just dies. That's by no means unheard of--it's just more unusual than not.

Dylan takes everything with him to go fishing and wears no coat. That's not impossible. It's just not what you would normally expect.

Oh, also, when I said about the list of things "It's just crazy!" I didn't mean any of you were crazy for coming up with explanations, I meant for me, it feels crazy for me to have to come up with an alternative explanation for each thing. Sorry about that.

BBM

Do we know for a fact that Dylan took the missing fishing pole? Maybe he didn't go fishing but was trying to meet up with his friends and he took all of his stuff for that reason. MOO.

 

[rebeccaeee]

Maybe I shouldn't have called them "excuses". Alternative theories or explanations. They do seem to be outside of the usual or the norm.

Dylan is texting away and his phone just dies. That's by no means unheard of--it's just more unusual than not.

Dylan takes everything with him to go fishing and wears no coat. That's not impossible. It's just not what you would normally expect.

Oh, also, when I said about the list of things "It's just crazy!" I didn't mean any of you were crazy for coming up with explanations, I meant for me, it feels crazy for me to have to come up with an alternative explanation for each thing. Sorry about that.

Dylan certainly would have had to encounter the perfect storm of bad luck during those 24 hours. Possible but IMO extremely improbable. No electronic communication after 9:37 PM (and really, verified communication of any kind) that is a big black hole for me. Remember- the latest press release reads
"Mark has said he last saw Dylan at around 7:30 AM Monday." That, IMO, is different from "Dylan was last seen" which is verifiable. I know I will be countered with the official date and time as listed on Dylan's missing poster but my point is that I don't think LE believes a storm of bad luck happened to Dylan. I think one very specific bad thing happened which explains the rest of the circumstantial evidence.

 

[song22]

BBM

Do we know for a fact that Dylan took the missing fishing pole? Maybe he didn't go fishing but was trying to meet up with his friends and he took all of his stuff for that reason. MOO.

No we don't know it for a fact about the fishing pole, just that MR has mentioned it A LOT as a possible alternative theory.

I still think that it would be unusual to meet up with friends who you couldn't communicate with and who are 6 or 20 miles away when there's a record of having made previous plans and your ride would be back soon. Not impossible, just unusual. JMO

That's what I mean. You can have an alternative theory about each thing, but the alternative seems unusual in my opinion. Not all of them--but most. IMO

 

[raine1212]

BBM

Do we know for a fact that Dylan took the missing fishing pole? Maybe he didn't go fishing but was trying to meet up with his friends and he took all of his stuff for that reason. MOO.

IIRC, we only know that a fishing pole is missing and we know that Dylan's backpack and his stuff is gone. No one knows JMO if Dylan has his stuff with him. We may only find out when Dylan is found.

 

[asyousay]

Well Mark has never come out and said he has found the fishing pole . Plus if it was indoors as he claims then nobody could of gotten in and stolen it on the day that Dylan vanished .

I have also just realised (I'm slow lol) that any would be perp would of surely of grabbed Dylan and left the pole behind . So if Dylan was on the road I would of thought LE would of found it :cow:

 

[azgrandma]

I am looking at this in terms of if I were on a committee to help with anything. If I were viewing this from a certain standpoint and I wanted to help with something, I would look at delegation. Fundraiser Organizer, check. Flier Artwork person, check. I would be looking at what bases are covered and which are not, and the bases that aren't covered are where I would try to focus my effort. What do you do, though if it seems all bases are being covered?

BBM - Good points, in order to fairly answer your question, it depends on which role you are playing in the fund raiser. If that makes sense.

I work with an organization that holds a LOT of functions. There is a core group of people that have been doing it for so long that it's like breathing. We know exactly who to get permission from first and foremost. (nothing worse than planning an event without the proper approval ahead of time - ugh the embarassment of having to cancel) We know exactly what needs to be done & when.

We never turn down the most valuable assets anyone has - their time & their hands.

If someone wants to volunteer to help with a function, then help. Pick up a chair, a broom, a trash can. There are always so many things that need to be done, little things, big things, boring things. If you really want to help, it doesn't need to be a glamour task, the lead, or the out in front. I can't tell you the number of times I was the lucky one in the back doing dishes (even while wearing an evening gown) because it needed to be done. There are the people that want to do it all by themselves, it just doesn't work out very well IMO.

I also know from experience that people forget to ask, those in charge forget to ask for help and those that want to help forget to ask those in charge. Don't be offended if help is not needed. Too many chiefs and not enough Indians.

That old saying, better to ask forgiveness than permission, not a good practice.

BTW *references to you & they are general not specific.

 

[raine1212]

IIRC ER said on Dr. Phil and on Tricia's show the last text was from his phone to a friend at 9:37

 

[deoneta]

Well Mark has never come out and said he has found the fishing pole . Plus if it was indoors as he claims then nobody could of gotten in and stolen it on the day that Dylan vanished .

I have also just realised (I'm slow lol) that any would be perp would of surely of grabbed Dylan and left the pole behind . So if Dylan was on the road I would of thought LE would of found it :cow:

The Dr. Phil show was the last time MR has spoken publicly. At that time he said the fishing pole had never been found.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

IIRC ER said on Dr. Phil and on Tricia's show the last text was from his phone to a friend at 9:37

Your right Raine. Everything that we've learned about how the 9:37 text was sent has pointed to Dylan's phone being the source and not his I Pod.

 

[raine1212]

I'm not being snarky, but I can't find a MSM link that says Dylan had an ipod touch and it was used to send the last message. Thank you in advance if you can link me.

ER spoke about it on Dr. Phil and Tricia's show.. Give me some time and I will get the links. Unless someone here beats me to it.

 

[catswhiskers]

Dylan certainly would have had to encounter the perfect storm of bad luck during those 24 hours. Possible but IMO extremely improbable. No electronic communication after 9:37 PM (and really, verified communication of any kind) that is a big black hole for me. Remember- the latest press release reads
"Mark has said he last saw Dylan at around 7:30 AM Monday." That, IMO, is different from "Dylan was last seen" which is verifiable. I know I will be countered with the official date and time as listed on Dylan's missing poster but my point is that I don't think LE believes a storm of bad luck happened to Dylan. I think one very specific bad thing happened which explains the rest of the circumstantial evidence.

The string of bad luck or coincidences has been questioned many times here over the past months, and I have always wondered why it seems so unbelievable - do other people not have days where everything really does go wrong?? I am not being facetious or trivialising this at all, but stuff does just happen.
Scroll on by if you are offended by unrelated stories - I'm describing a string of coincidences experienced by me personally.

Two days ago I had one of those days and thought it would never end:
- running kind of late for work to begin with after getting slow teens moving,
- noticing the fuel tank on empty rather early in my 30 minute drive to work,
- stopping for fuel and having every bank/credit card I own declined,
- being held up for 20 minutes at road works,
- arriving at school 10 minutes after classes had begun and racing into my class only to fall flat on my face in the middle of the room,
- fighting with all manner of rather vital technology for the rest of the day, including computers, smartboards and ipads that just would not work.
Seriously by midday I was sitting at my desk wondering why I had even bothered getting out of bed that day. The thing is that it's not the first time I have had a day like that, so I am surprised that others find a few coincidences in Dylan's case so unbelievable.

Again, I'm not minimising the tragedy of whatever has happened to Dylan, just offering an opinion about one aspect of our discussion here.

:moo:

 

[Deleted member 39678]

If Dylan did have an I Pod touch with him do we know if there was Wi-Fi in Mark's home that he could connect with and send text messages?

 

[asyousay]

Could Dylan of used the iPod touch to text because Mark had taken away his phone I wonder ?