CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #46

[Deleted member 39678]

Thanks for the correction.

IIRC, there was no snow, nor had it rained for a while, so why would there be any footprints?

I'm not an expert on footprints but if the surface doesn't allow for identifiable prints to be left behind that could explain why none were found. MOO.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

We all bring a framework of experience to our points of view and I'm no exception. I was married to an abuser for 4 years. Two of those years were suffering through the contentious divorce. I, as a domestic violence survivor, and as a woman who ultimately left that marriage not because what the man did to me, but because of what he did to my child, do not see MR in the same light as some of you.

In my eyes, in part from what his ex-wives have said about him, MR was not an ideal father nor an ideal husband. YET, these relationships he had lasted a long time, over a decade each. For some reasons we are prohibited from discussing, I also see MR as less assertive both socially and in an interpersonal sense than his ex-spouses. In his own home, perhaps he did stand his ground occasionally. His reticence to be in the forefront of this is not a sign, by itself, of guilt. As for CR, his anger seems to have been born after Dylan went missing. He went on vacation with his father when he was of age and not required to do so. He hugged his father at a vigil. What in the world happened to change him into an angry young man? His brother disappearing is enough to make anyone mad. I get that. But where I fall shy of complete belief or credibility for his expressed feelings is the suddenness of them and the certainty he (and others) have of Mark's involvement. When pressed, he (and others) are unable to be specific about the WHY of it. It leaves me scratching my head...

 

[mixologist74]

Mark never mentioned taking Dylan and his friends fishing.

Mark did mention perhaps they could go bowling or something.

To me the fishing pole is neither here nor there (LE has not mentioned it as something people should be looking for - that I am aware)

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JMO....

That isn't what I stated. I stated that perhaps Mark decided that, and prepared accordingly. I don't have the power to read minds, so I cannot state definitively whether was or was not the case,<modsnip>
JMO.

 

[Redhead72]

When pressed, he (and others) are unable to be specific about the WHY of it. It leaves me scratching my head...

Snipped only for space...

First, I'm sorry for what you went through in your marriage, and with your child being hurt. I'm glad you were strong and did what you had to do to protect your child. It's admirable as so many mothers are not able for whatever reason to make the decision... Thank you for being one who did. :tyou:

On to the last sentence of your post:
One possibility as to why they are so angry, and perhaps why they cannot explain where that anger comes from completely regards things they have been prohibited by Law Enforcement to discuss, or mention. I know that sometimes happens when dealing with family members... That they may know more than the general public, but are asked to keep it quiet so that they may build a case, or keep certain facts private in order to be able to apprehend whomever was involved, and obtain a conviction.

That could also account for an increased amount of anger in a short period of time. I think though that knowing of the past interaction between CR and MR - when CR hit him - indicates that anger has long been a part of their relationship at times. <modsnip>
Just trying to offer up some different points of view.

ETA - thank you Salem - sorry to make you work harder.

As always, all of the above is MOO! :cow:

 

[scorekeeper]

Thank you for your comment. This is what I was wondering about as well. Perhaps Mark had planned a fishing trip or knew that Dylan would want to fish with his friends, and got out the pole in anticipation.

Mark never mentioned taking Dylan and his friends fishing.

Mark did mention perhaps they could go bowling or something.

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JMO....

That isn't what I stated. I stated that perhaps Mark decided that, and prepared accordingly. I don't have the power to read minds, so I cannot state definitively whether was or was not the case,<modsnip>
JMO.

BBM

Perhaps I need new glasses....or am totally missing what is BBM

Mark talked about some of the plans for the week on a couple of videos I posted a few pages back...I still don't recall him and Dylan talking about going fishing.....

Oh, well, let's carry on.....

 

[song22]

We all bring a framework of experience to our points of view and I'm no exception. I was married to an abuser for 4 years. Two of those years were suffering through the contentious divorce. I, as a domestic violence survivor, and as a woman who ultimately left that marriage not because what the man did to me, but because of what he did to my child, do not see MR in the same light as some of you.

In my eyes, in part from what his ex-wives have said about him, MR was not an ideal father nor an ideal husband. YET, these relationships he had lasted a long time, over a decade each. For some reasons we are prohibited from discussing, I also see MR as less assertive both socially and in an interpersonal sense than his ex-spouses. In his own home, perhaps he did stand his ground occasionally. His reticence to be in the forefront of this is not a sign, by itself, of guilt. As for CR, his anger seems to have been born after Dylan went missing. He went on vacation with his father when he was of age and not required to do so. He hugged his father at a vigil. What in the world happened to change him into an angry young man? His brother disappearing is enough to make anyone mad. I get that. But where I fall shy of complete belief or credibility for his expressed feelings is the suddenness of them and the certainty he (and others) have of Mark's involvement. When pressed, he (and others) are unable to be specific about the WHY of it. It leaves me scratching my head...

I appreciate you sharing this. I think a lot of us are survivors of these sorts of experiences. I respect that you are "reading" Mr differently than I am. I hope that we all can exchange ideas and find any areas of common ground. As for Cr's sudden change--this is something I can really identify with. I was about Cory's age when I had a very dramatic change from accepting my dad's behavior as "normal" for our family and then realizing that it was wrong. I felt a new sense of empowerment and anger. But first I had to get past a very dangerous period, when his behavior was even more strange than in the past. We were all quite frightened that he would harm himself or us. It would have been hard to describe one reason why, but we were. We were all instructed to de-escalate (I also had something similar happen later in my young adult years in a romantic relationship). So, at my sister's wedding, when I was fearful that my dad could possibly shoot someone, I did hug him.

So it is possible that CR is processing things similarly--though in his case, things are much more traumatic and devastating than mine were. just my two cents.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

Snipped only for space...

First, I'm sorry for what you went through in your marriage, and with your child being hurt. I'm glad you were strong and did what you had to do to protect your child. It's admirable as so many mothers are not able for whatever reason to make the decision... Thank you for being one who did. :tyou:

On to the last sentence of your post:
One possibility as to why they are so angry, and perhaps why they cannot explain where that anger comes from completely regards things they have been prohibited by Law Enforcement to discuss, or mention. I know that sometimes happens when dealing with family members... That they may know more than the general public, but are asked to keep it quiet so that they may build a case, or keep certain facts private in order to be able to apprehend whomever was involved, and obtain a conviction.

That could also account for an increased amount of anger in a short period of time. I think though that knowing of the past interaction between CR and MR - when CR hit him - indicates that anger has long been a part of their relationship at times. <modsnip>
Just trying to offer up some different points of view.

ETA - thank you Salem - sorry to make you work harder.

As always, all of the above is MOO! :cow:

I can appreciate that. But, what I have difficulty with is the apparent openness on some other (touchy) subjects that serve to sway public opinion.

 

[NC Analyzer]

We all bring a framework of experience to our points of view and I'm no exception. I was married to an abuser for 4 years. Two of those years were suffering through the contentious divorce. I, as a domestic violence survivor, and as a woman who ultimately left that marriage not because what the man did to me, but because of what he did to my child, do not see MR in the same light as some of you.

In my eyes, in part from what his ex-wives have said about him, MR was not an ideal father nor an ideal husband. YET, these relationships he had lasted a long time, over a decade each. For some reasons we are prohibited from discussing, I also see MR as less assertive both socially and in an interpersonal sense than his ex-spouses. In his own home, perhaps he did stand his ground occasionally. His reticence to be in the forefront of this is not a sign, by itself, of guilt. As for CR, his anger seems to have been born after Dylan went missing. He went on vacation with his father when he was of age and not required to do so. He hugged his father at a vigil. What in the world happened to change him into an angry young man? His brother disappearing is enough to make anyone mad. I get that. But where I fall shy of complete belief or credibility for his expressed feelings is the suddenness of them and the certainty he (and others) have of Mark's involvement. When pressed, he (and others) are unable to be specific about the WHY of it. It leaves me scratching my head...

CR has made it perfectly clear that he believes Mark Redwine is responsible for whatever happened to Dylan. He doesn't have to have a reason why if he believes MR is responsible, but it explains his anger. The "suddenness" would be due to the fact that this whole thing happened rather suddenly and without any warning. The "WHY" will come from LE.

 

[Redhead72]

Taking a break from this thread for a while... Don't want to make more work for our mods! Apologies for any rules I may have broken!

 

[Salem]

If the mods have ruled that only certain people are allowed to be sleuthed or examined- then those are the rules and there are good reasons for them.


If you have questions on this topic please direct it to a moderator and not on an open thread; this is not something that is open for discussion.
thank you.

Bumping JBean's post and asking you all to read it again.

Please stop the CR, MH discussions. You may discuss what has been in MSM or put out by LE. Everything else is OFF THE TABLE.

Salem

 

[mijamawi]

BBM

Perhaps I need new glasses....or am totally missing what is BBM

Mark talked about some of the plans for the week on a couple of videos I posted a few pages back...I still don't recall him and Dylan talking about going fishing.....

Oh, well, let's carry on.....

The above BBM is the key, he talked about some of the plans for the week. He doesn't have to divulge every little thing to reporters and even if he did, it's up to the reporters on what they want to share that was said. I think we've all seen the shotty reporting in this case in regards to leaving stuff out and just being downright incorrect.

 

[scorekeeper]

Taking a break from this thread for a while... Don't want to make more work for our mods! Apologies for any rules I may have broken!

You hurry back!!!

I enjoy your posts and common sense but most of all - advocating for the victims of Domestic Violence....((((Redhead72))))

 

[song22]

I can appreciate that. But, what I have difficulty with is the apparent openness on some other (touchy) subjects that serve to sway public opinion.

No one believed us, mother or kids, when we tried to get intervention and help. We were heavily involved in our church and my mother was asked, "What did you do to make him angry?". When I found out that my father was having multiple affairs, I told. Because it helped us to get people to listen to us. Just a possible explanation.

 

[song22]

Taking a break from this thread for a while... Don't want to make more work for our mods! Apologies for any rules I may have broken!

I'm feeling it too. Thanks for all your thoughtful and sensitive and caring words.

((hug))

 

[mijamawi]

Taking a break from this thread for a while... Don't want to make more work for our mods! Apologies for any rules I may have broken!

Please don't. Your input is very valuable. Everyone's input is valuable. I know things get heated here, but in the grand scheme of things we do all want the same thing, and that's for Dylan to be found safe.

I hate seeing people leave because they feel attacked or for any reason, really. It's good to debate, it really is.

 

[scorekeeper]

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/message.cfm?l=eng&cid=m17942344

Don't forget to light a candle for Dylan.

ETA: correct web address - so you don't have to search...sorry

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=dnr

 

[findDylan]

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/message.cfm?l=eng&cid=m17942344

Don't forget to light a candle for Dylan.

ETA: correct web address - so you don't have to search...sorry

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=dnr

Thank you for the reminder. My little ones lit one for him.

 

[scorekeeper]

Thank you for the reminder. My little ones lit one for him.

Oh, you are going to make me cry.....so sweet

((((findDylan))))

 

[mixologist74]

The above BBM is the key, he talked about some of the plans for the week. He doesn't have to divulge every little thing to reporters and even if he did, it's up to the reporters on what they want to share that was said. I think we've all seen the shotty reporting in this case in regards to leaving stuff out and just being downright incorrect.

Agreed, MR most likely did not share every single thought with reporters.

 

[findDylan]

Oh, you are going to make me cry.....so sweet

((((findDylan))))

We can cry together. :hugs: