CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #46

[Seajay]

If you brine your turkey it wont be dry. That's why I have bought my own turkey to cook even if I'm invited to a family dinner elsewhere. I get leftover turkey also.

I'm not sure why Mark and Dylan not having firm Thanksgiving day plans means that Mark is responsible for harming Dylan. MOO.

I don't think that's a "man" thing anyway. I know some people who go out to dinner on Thanksgiving, and others who have mac and cheese on Thanksgiving. Men are not into a turkey and all the trimmings unless they are the ones who DON'T have to cook it.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Oh, I'm from Texas. We don't brine, we smoke everything on the smoker. Sometimes we fry our turkey, but after a few fires we stopped doing that. :rocker:

BBM. - Alton Brown? I learned to brine mine from him.

Brine before you smoke your turkey and yes I use the Alton Brown method.

And to stay on topic I still don't see why a lack of firm Thanksgiving Day plans mean much of anything. MOO.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I don't think that's a "man" thing anyway. I know some people who go out to dinner on Thanksgiving, and others who have mac and cheese on Thanksgiving. Men are not into a turkey and all the trimmings unless they are the ones who DON'T have to cook it.

I'm a man who has cooked quite a few Thanksgiving day turkeys. When left on my own I keep the sides a bit simple but I manage. MOO.

 

[mijamawi]

I hear you, and as a rule I would probably not always know what my boys were wearing. I am not a very observant person, but my friends love that about me lol. Anyway, I would have been in big do-do with LE, but they start with the immediate family & work out from there and rightly so. Unfortunately, that is the process of elimination & I would be all over getting myself cleared so they could move on.

Oh yes, of course I would be all over clearing myself. Unfortunately it would be my weak story to begin with that would have everyone believing I'd harmed my kid.

one fishing pole stored next to the tv the others stored in the garage doesn't make much sense IMO

Who said it was just one pole stored there? Maybe that's why it was noticeable, because there were a couple there in anticipation of a father/son fishing excursion.

I don't think that's a "man" thing anyway. I know some people who go out to dinner on Thanksgiving, and others who have mac and cheese on Thanksgiving. Men are not into a turkey and all the trimmings unless they are the ones who DON'T have to cook it.

True that! If it were my dh and my kids only for Thanksgiving, they'd have ketchup and mustard.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

If we are only looking at character, Mark loses.

If we look at the facts as we know them, it's hard to say what happened to Dylan.

Not to mention that sleuthing others is prohibited. He loses because he was the last known person to see Dylan and Dylan was at his home.

 

[NC Analyzer]

I would consider guns next to the door during a city riot to be perfectly reasonable. I wouldn't think twice about a mountain man keeping a fishing pole in his living room. I don't care if anyone makes plans for Thanksgiving dinner, much less a single man with no family. But I think I would take exception if my ex only saw my child once every couple of months and didn't bother to make any plans to enjoy TIME with my child. I think I would be a bit upset if that same ex spent his first day taking care of his own personal needs after telling my child he couldn't see his friends considering he had nothing planned that night or the next morning anyway and I sure wouldn't be happy to find out that my ex didn't have any food in the house when he had time to shop prior to picking my child up from the airport. I think I would be asking my ex why he thinks his time, activities and needs are so much more important than his own child's time, needs and chosen activities. But that's just me. I put my children's needs above my own and plan for things that are important to them.

 

[mijamawi]

Brine before you smoke your turkey and yes I use the Alton Brown method.

And to stay on topic I still don't see why a lack of firm Thanksgiving Day plans mean much of anything. MOO.

O/T Ok, I'll try it. I always buy up ham and turkey during holidays and freeze them for later. Since Easter is coming up, it's a perfect time to stock up. I'll let you know if it turns out.

 

[ColdHands]

Ok, back by popular demand!!!

Had my husband disappeared or been murdered today, I would be in deep doo doo and I'd be the next subject at WS.

We had to get our vehicle smogged. Last time we had problems with it and were told 2 sensors were bad. So he went out to get things done. Said he was taking it to the dealership to see if all systems were go.

He left the house about 11:00 or whereabouts. I'm not sure. I read here at WS and got sleepy. Went in for a nap that lasted 3 hours. I got up somewhere around 3:30 pm. He was still not home. He wasn't home at 4, or 5 or 6 pm. I have no idea what he was wearing even though I saw him this morning.

He has a cell phone but leaves it off a lot and can't hear it anyway because he has hearing impairment.

My cell phone was on and sitting on the table the whole time.

Now, had he disappeared or was murdered, I have no alibi, no one has seen me, I talked to no one today, I didn't remember what he was wearing, I had no idea where he was for the last 7 hours. Even though my phone would ping at home, it only means I didn't take it with me, not that I didn't leave. His parents are dead, he has no friends.

Thank God he walked through the door about half an hour ago. He got the vehicle smogged after a marathon of running all over the city. And thank God he didn't disappear or was murdered today.

The point is, someone can surely be innocent of any wrong doing and not have witnesses to their whereabouts or ping proof or anything else. Pretty much when someone goes missing, no one realizes at the time they won't be seeing them again.

It's true that we don't get that Dunh dunh Duhhhhn!!! music and a nice focused zoom to foreshadow real life events.

This morning my younger son and I stared at 2 pairs of my older son's shoes for a very long time, completely baffled. Could not for the life of me figure out what he was wearing on his feet to school today if both pairs of sneakers were in the hall. My younger son usually knows and remembers details like shoes and clothes. no clue either. Finally the older son returns from school and he's wearing hiking boots that I forgot he had. If the police had asked me what he was wearing I wouldn't even have gotten the footwear right.

I guess it would be nice to believe in total recall, but I think I'd rather just take a pass on some of the details and look at the big picture. Which is, after a full day of searching his last known location, with all sorts of evidence collected and tested, interviews cnducted, backgrounds and alibis checked, LE still doesn't know if something happened to Dylan inside that house or outside of it or even what that something was.

 

[ColdHands]

Also want to say, if the fishing pole that was found WAS Dylan's I'd say it mattered a great deal. But until we know that, I don't know what to think of it. Where it was in the house s not as relevant as the fact that Mark says the pole disappeared at the same time as Dylan. Could see that as both pointing at and pointing away from Mark.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

Who said it was just one pole stored there? Maybe that's why it was noticeable, because there were a couple there in anticipation of a father/son fishing excursion.

I didn't see any poles stored next to the tv during the MB interview, although the lounge room furniture had apparantly been rearranged by then.


as per
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGEwCBPy90w"]KUSA - Dylan Redwine - Dad's uncut interview - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Seajay]

I'm a man who has cooked quite a few Thanksgiving day turkeys. When left on my own I keep the sides a bit simple but I manage. MOO.

Of course, there are exceptions but the men I know will only care about Thanksgiving food if all they have to do it eat it. When we fry our turkey, the men do it, if we bake our turkey, the women do it in my family. Except for Ed. Ed has to cook everything because his wife does not cook at all so if he wants to eat, he cooks.

 

[mijamawi]

I didn't see any poles stored next to the tv during the MB interview, although the lounge room furniture had apparantly been rearranged by then.


as per
KUSA - Dylan Redwine - Dad's uncut interview - YouTube

And? You said yourself the furniture had been rearranged.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

I imagine that following a thorough search by LE, Mark's house needed cleaning. I can't quote a MSM account of it, but luminol leaves a mess. People rearrange furniture when cleaning and IIRC several of MR's family and friends came to support him around that time. The furniture moved around is meaningless as a clue about what happened to Dylan.

 

[Confusion]

Of course, there are exceptions but the men I know will only care about Thanksgiving food if all they have to do it eat it. When we fry our turkey, the men do it, if we bake our turkey, the women do it in my family. Except for Ed. Ed has to cook everything because his wife does not cook at all so if he wants to eat, he cooks.

My mother was pretty smart her second time around. My stepfather was a chef and did almost all the holiday cooking. My mother made the pies, cookies and other treats, and some side dishes, but he always did the turkey, and insisted on making the gravy (he said my mother's was too lumpy.)

 

[aust amateur slueth]

And? You said yourself the furniture had been rearranged.

fishing poles are not furniture and rearranged is vastly different to removed.

 

[Dee10]

Also want to say, if the fishing pole that was found WAS Dylan's I'd say it mattered a great deal. But until we know that, I don't know what to think of it. Where it was in the house s not as relevant as the fact that Mark says the pole disappeared at the same time as Dylan. Could see that as both pointing at and pointing away from Mark.

I agree since the fishing pole is Dylan's it is very relevant not just that it is missing, it also limits the various scenarios of Dylan going missing IMO. For instance, I don't believe he hitchhiked with a fishing pole or if he went to the creek to fish & had an accident, he would have been found. If he went to the creek or bridge would he have taken the backpack? If an abductor came to the door, how would he know it was Dylan's pole?

 

[Seajay]

It's true that we don't get that Dunh dunh Duhhhhn!!! music and a nice focused zoom to foreshadow real life events.

This morning my younger son and I stared at 2 pairs of my older son's shoes for a very long time, completely baffled. Could not for the life of me figure out what he was wearing on his feet to school today if both pairs of sneakers were in the hall. My younger son usually knows and remembers details like shoes and clothes. no clue either. Finally the older son returns from school and he's wearing hiking boots that I forgot he had. If the police had asked me what he was wearing I wouldn't even have gotten the footwear right.

I guess it would be nice to believe in total recall, but I think I'd rather just take a pass on some of the details and look at the big picture. Which is, after a full day of searching his last known location, with all sorts of evidence collected and tested, interviews cnducted, backgrounds and alibis checked, LE still doesn't know if something happened to Dylan inside that house or outside of it or even what that something was.

It's so easy on any given day to not know that it will be the last time you see someone.

The last time I talked to this one friend before he passed away that next week, I only remembered what we talked about later, when it was important. I did not know that night I would never see or talk to him again. I wouldn't have been able to say what he was wearing or what time, because we had a Christmas party that night and I didn't remember what time it ended.

Point is, we don't realize we have to be accountable for every second so we aren't. And we won't remember everything that needs to be remembered. If MR left some stuff out, it's because it was trivial and he didn't realize he was going to have to account for it later. IMO

 

[rebeccaeee]

I'm not trying to be a killjoy here but does anyone appreciate the irony of us discussing how best to cook a turkey while Dylan has missed not only Thanksgiving, but Christmas, his birthday and now we're speeding toward Easter with no sign of him? It breaks the heart and boggles the mind.

 

[mijamawi]

I would consider guns next to the door during a city riot to be perfectly reasonable. I wouldn't think twice about a mountain man keeping a fishing pole in his living room. I don't care if anyone makes plans for Thanksgiving dinner, much less a single man with no family. But I think I would take exception if my ex only saw my child once every couple of months and didn't bother to make any plans to enjoy TIME with my child. I tend to spend more quality time with my boys when we're home hanging out than when we're out at a movie or bowling or putt-putt. I think I would be a bit upset if that same ex spent his first day taking care of his own personal needs after telling my child he couldn't see his friends considering he had nothing planned that night or the next morning anyway but they watched a movie together and MR planned to take him to his friend's early. and I sure wouldn't be happy to find out that my ex didn't have any food in the house when he had time to shop prior to picking my child up from the airport. How inconsiderate to want to take DR to the store and let him pick out his own snacks. <modsnip> I think I would be asking my ex why he thinks his time, activities and needs are so much more important than his own child's time, needs and chosen activities. Don't know about most people, but I'm the adult and I pretty much say what goes. My kids can plan all day long but if it's not realistic, then tough *****. But that's just me. I don't let my kids run my life. But that's just me. I put my children's needs above my own and plan for things that are important to them. Lots of parents put their kids needs above their own but when it comes to real life and reality, it's up to the parents to make the right decisions. Sometimes my kids don't want to go to school. Well, sometimes I don't want to clean the house. We don't always get what we want. Someone has to be the adult.

My respectful response in red.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

I imagine that following a thorough search by LE, Mark's house needed cleaning. I can't quote a MSM account of it, but luminol leaves a mess. People rearrange furniture when cleaning and IIRC several of MR's family and friends came to support him around that time. The furniture moved around is meaningless as a clue about what happened to Dylan.

If luminol was used during the search then IMO he would have had to call in a biohazard clean up company. I doubt ordinary store bought cleaning produsts would be of much use.