CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #47

[rebeccaeee]

I think in a couple of weeks it should be

Docs Marina say they opened April 5th last year and the consensus seems to be that the ice is melting more quickly this year. I think two weeks, tops.

 

[Leader6518]

What if the suspect (as yet none are named) is one of the children Dylan was seen with or another youth from the community? Do you think that LE would lead the public away from examining that possibility? I agree a POI is not likely to be formally notified and a minor would present even more reasons for caution in the wording of a press release. And before anyone jumps all over me, I do not have a firm theory about this being the case and I surely don't want it to be, but I can't rule it out based on the facts and information available. LE will manipulate not only suspects, but the public in its quest for the truth.

That is certainly a possibility I think LE looked at. We only know of one person Dylan knew in the area and apparently was not his circle of close friends (as in R).

If Dylan was as hard to wake up that day, blowing off his chance to get to his friends as planned (he had been up until 4 AM the day of his flight and was allegedly awake at 10ish when MR went to bed), I doubt he would have jumped up within the hour, eaten, and decided to go wondering knowing his dad would be back to take him to his friends house. If he was that tired, my guess is that he would have slept until at least 9 or 10 (as most teens I know will do if they are up late and tired). Knowing MR would be back around 11ish, does it make sense he would go hang out with a friend that lived 6 miles away? And MR said the friend was not at home and we know he didn't contact the friend via his cell phone. We haven't heard anything about T or if the family was really even in the area during the Thanksgiving break.

Additionally, if it was a teen, would they have been sophisticated enough to make Dylan AND his belongings completely disappear? I would think if Dylan were able, IF he had taken off with a friend, he would have texted MR to tell him he was hanging with friend xyz and would he pick him up when he got home. Especially if he took all his belongings with him.

JMOO.

 

[Kimster]

Psychic explained. Drop it and move on.

This is about DYLAN - not each other!

 

[Lordeebee]

-- which is one of the movies we would watch that night … you know… when we were together… and… you
know…

--He went upstairs for a few things – brought the DVD player down so we could watch that movie that he wanted to watch.

--Well, we were watching the movie together. I remember the movie being finished. I at some point was pacing the floor and got up and was taking care of a few little things you know over here at the kitchen table while we were doing that but, you know, it was – Shortly after the ending of that movie, which my guess, and I don’t recall because I don’t keep track of the clock… you know…it must have been… I thought it was earlier in the beginning…’cos I was fairly tired anyway, and I know Dylan was tired because he indicated to me that because he had been up ‘till 4:00 the night before and that he had spent most of the day in the airport traveling to get here that he was tired, and, you know, it seems to me it had to been about 10:30’ish maybe by the time the movie got done… somewhere in there and, you know, shortly after that I ran up and went to bed and he finished up doin’ whatever he was doin’ watching Nickelodeon or whatever he was watching.

During the MB uncut interview with MR, the MOVIE seems to be a huge factor. It's about here where MR begins to ramble, speaking faster and faster, like he wants to get through this portion of his story.

"which is one of the movies we would watch that night when we were..." uhhh when we were what? oh! when we were together...

When the movie was over, and MR was pacing the floor - how could Dylan and Mark be doing something if Mark was in the kitchen and Dylan was in the LR? What were they doing?

Yesterday I discussed perhaps Dylan never making it inside the home at all, but after reading this interview again, I think probably an argument was escalating with the movie playing in the background, and things went downhill from there.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Docs Marina say they opened April 5th last year and the consensus seems to be that the ice is melting more quickly this year. I think two weeks, tops.

It can't be soon enough IMO.

 

[Emma Ems]

ER brought items for tracking. I would think LE would get some tracking dogs and have them go after Dylan's scent and see if it led to the woods or in some kind of direction of a runaway or adventure. It sounds like you have some doubts about the dogs abilities based on the examples of the other factors? Am I misreading this?

There was a rumor that there may have been a lead toward the intersection, but LE says nothing about that. I'm interested in that possibility. But I just don't know why they'd be tight-lipped if they found evidence Dylan had wandered toward a cliff or a mine shaft or something. JMO Thanks for your thoughts.

IIRC the scent items were brought during the weekend after Dylan was reported missing. When they were given to LE Bender said something about we can't use them now, but later. So how much time elapsed before they actually used those scent items with the dog, and also what could have affected the scent to the point of there not being one? Like did it rain, was it particularly windy. Did they use tracking dogs, or air scent dogs? I thought in one article I read that said they used air scent dogs but I can't get that article to open up for me now. My very basic understanding is that air scent dogs are used to look for people still in the area, but not nose to ground trail tracking.

None of Dylan’s belongings that could carry his scent was available in the first days of the investigation. But the family had articles of the boy’s clothing delivered on the weekend.

None of Dylan’s belongings that could carry his scent was available in the first days of the investigation. But the family had articles of the boy’s clothing delivered on the weekend.

“We have the clothes,” Bender said Monday. “We don’t need them here (at the reservoir), but can use them later.”

http://durangoherald.com/article/20121126/NEWS01/121129702/Frustration-mounting&template=mobileart

Three La Plata County Search and Rescue air-scent canines have returned to the Vallecito area to do ground searches.

http://www.pinerivertimes.com/news.asp?artid=1095

 

[mixologist74]

Thank you for the awesome links, Emma!

 

[Deleted member 39678]

IIRC the scent items were brought during the weekend after Dylan was reported missing. When they were given to LE Bender said something about we can't use them now, but later. So how much time elapsed before they actually used those scent items with the dog, and also what could have affected the scent to the point of there not being one? Like did it rain, was it particularly windy. Did they use tracking dogs, or air scent dogs? I thought in one article I read that said they used air scent dogs but I can't get that article to open up for me now. My very basic understanding is that air scent dogs are used to look for people still in the area, but not nose to ground trail tracking.

None of Dylan’s belongings that could carry his scent was available in the first days of the investigation. But the family had articles of the boy’s clothing delivered on the weekend.



http://durangoherald.com/article/20121126/NEWS01/121129702/Frustration-mounting&template=mobileart



http://www.pinerivertimes.com/news.asp?artid=1095

I doesn't seem like there was any urgency in getting proper scent items to Vallecito for search dogs to use. I would think that the sooner the better when a child is missing. MOO.

 

[Leader6518]

Mark should have lawyered up by now. Just to protect his hide against all the carp that's been going around. He should never have done Dr. Phil. That was not about getting Dylan's name and face out to the public as much as it was to expose the family dysfunction. I wonder how many viewers came away from it thinking: "The kid probably ran away, I wouldn't blame him if he did after all that going on in his life." IMO

IIRC Mark did get a lawyer right after ER said she thought he was involved. It was in this article:

"Reality starting to set in"
And he is trying to deal with the added weight of knowing that some people think he had something to do with his son's disappearance because he was the last one to see him. He has contacted a criminal-defense attorney to help him with that. And he said he is helping in the search in any way he can.

Read more: With Dylan Redwine missing for almost two weeks, dad clings to hope - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_22108222/dad-its-wait-wonder#ixzz2OflOXWFv
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[scorekeeper]

Please tell me you aren't trying to bait this member into violating a rule.

Not at all Kimster; thought perhaps could exclude AZ's kids from the post.

That's all.

 

[findDylan]

Still looking for the answer to your question but found this along the way:

"In 80 percent of abductions by strangers, the first contact between the child and the abductor occurs within a quarter mile of the child's home". This article is filled with facts surrounding child abductions.

http://www.parents.com/kids/safety/stranger-safety/child-abduction-facts/

Thank you for the info. I appreciate it.

 

[mixologist74]

Not at all Kimster; thought perhaps could exclude AZ's kids from the post.

That's all.

Honestly, I forgot her kids were even on the show.

 

[Kimster]

Okay, it's all good now! Let's get back on the trail to find Dylan! :grouphug:

 

[Emma Ems]

I doesn't seem like there was any urgency in getting proper scent items to Vallecito for search dogs to use. I would think that the sooner the better when a child is missing. MOO.

I really can't help but agree. You would think they needed those items ASAP and would use them as soon as they were given.

 

[findDylan]

Also, in this article/study I have been referring to in my most recent posts it distinguishes non family stranger abductors from "regular" pedophiles. In essence, saying pedophiles truly love children and do not perceive the inappropriate physical element of their relationship as harmful, whereas an abduction is usually for far more violent intentions and results so the sexual part is more assaultive and then they may or may not murder them, where as the typical pedophile would not think of murdering a child.

http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/documents/nismart2_nonfamily.pdf

Thank you so much for the information. It is very interesting that they distinguish "regular" pedophilies and abductors that commit a sex assault. MOO

 

[Leader6518]

A quick question about RSO's. Do they typically (or is there a study) look for victims (right wording?) close to home? Or do they find them away from where they live and bring them to their home?

MOO

From what I have read through the years, thus MOO, it is often a crime of opportunity for a stranger abduction.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

IIRC Mark did get a lawyer right after ER said she thought he was involved. It was in this article:

"Reality starting to set in"
And he is trying to deal with the added weight of knowing that some people think he had something to do with his son's disappearance because he was the last one to see him. He has contacted a criminal-defense attorney to help him with that. And he said he is helping in the search in any way he can.

Read more: With Dylan Redwine missing for almost two weeks, dad clings to hope - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_22108222/dad-its-wait-wonder#ixzz2OflOXWFv
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It says that Mark "contacted a criminal defense attorney" not that he has hired one. If he did hire an attorney he's been awfully quite. He also did a poor job of keeping his client from speaking publicly about the case.

I don't think that Mark has a criminal defense lawyer at this point. MOO.

 

[margarita25]

What's the latest word folks? I've been caught up in Terrilynn Monette's thread but wanted to check in. Any news on Dylan?

 

[scorekeeper]

What's the latest word folks? I've been caught up in Terrilynn Monette's thread but wanted to check in. Any news on Dylan?

Nothing new; same old/same old.

Lake is thawing; hopefully within the next couple of weeks the ice will be gone.

Dylan is still missing; no one is talking. LE did put out a press release to discount some things that were said.

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[margarita25]

Nothing new; same old/same old.

Lake is thawing; hopefully within the next couple of weeks the ice will be gone.

Dylan is still missing; no one is talking. LE did put out a press release to discount some things that were said.

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Thanks so much Score!!