CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #47

[Allusonz]

I believe the post said that ER said LE has asked MR to take a 2nd poly, ER stated that during the radio show with Tricia and I believe those links are on the home page. In regards to LE stating that they have asked, IIRC we have not heard much directly from LE.

IME, ER would not of been given this information so I am curious as to why many would expect me to take her word for it?

To my understanding LE has not stated this. Again, I may of missed a press release during my travels.

 

[Salem]

Drop the "its not my turn" stuff. If it is not your turn, then move by the post - but quit being snarky towards others. It's rude.

Salem

 

[Bayou Mistress]

IME, ER would not of been given this information so I am curious as to why many would expect me to take her word for it?

To my understanding LE has not stated this. Again, I may of missed a press release during my travels.

You don't appear to have missed anything.

 

[Eileen730]

I am sorry, I am not seeing what is so amusing, as there simply is nothing amusing about this case.

My employee's are required to put in x number of hours / week. I understand that there are circumstances beyond their control, but I cannot have an employee off indefinately.

Maybe some people are in a different situation, I simply don't know what MR's situation is. If he states that he requires 2 weeks notice, that is probably out of his control, as he probably signed a contract.

If your employee had a missing child im sure you would be a little more understanding. Wouldnt you?

 

[azgrandma]

1) LE said he was cooperating. (assuming I don't need a link and all stipulate to this)

2) LE did not say he was not cooperating. (unless you can furnish a link that says otherwise)

Leads me to believe that MR continues to cooperate, according to Law Enforcement.


I hope that clears up the thinking.

LE said he was cooperating in many of the press releases and msm's. However, the most recent press release did not mention anything about cooperation.

IMO
1) LE said MR was cooperating
then in the most recent release.......
2) LE did not say MR was or was not cooperating
I guess each can take #2 in several ways, he is continuing to cooperate, he is not cooperating, LE just didn't mention it.

My confusion comes from taking each statement from LE for what is written to mean something specific, only to later add that what is not written still means the same. I'm not challenging at all what anyone believes or takes from the lack of specific statements. I'm simply trying to understand it.

 

[NC Analyzer]

If your employee had a missing child im sure you would be a little more understanding. Wouldnt you?

Who knows. But I do recall the discussion was about Mark appearing on Tricia's radio show which wouldn't require ANY time off, so the entire comment was taken out of context to the conversation anyway.

 

[Eileen730]

IME, ER would not of been given this information so I am curious as to why many would expect me to take her word for it?

To my understanding LE has not stated this. Again, I may of missed a press release during my travels.

Why wouldnt she have that info?
She knew he failed when she went on the NG show and let it slip and then went on to say inconclusive just like MR did she said the exact same thing he did.
Only she said it first.

I think they all went for polys on the same day or Cory was with his dad when he went to take his and MR told him what had happened. JMO

 

[NC Analyzer]

Why wouldnt she have that info?
She knew he failed when she went on the NG show and let it slip and then went on to say inconclusive just like MR did she said the exact same thing he did.
Only she said it first.

I think they all went for polys on the same day or Cory was with his dad when he went to take his and MR told him what had happened. JMO

I also don't see why anyone would think she isn't being truthful about this as what benefit would she have to not be truthful? All this poor woman wants is answers and more than ANYTHING, she wants her child returned!

 

[Allusonz]

If your employee had a missing child im sure you would be a little more understanding. Wouldnt you?

My employees are not a number in a worldwide corporation.

MR happens to be simply a number in a large corporation.

There still comes a point in time, where there is only so much a person can do to accomodate an employee. Rarely is that the case in larger corporations. Employee's are easily replaced.

 

[Allusonz]

Why wouldnt she have that info?
She knew he failed when she went on the NG show and let it slip and then went on to say inconclusive just like MR did she said the exact same thing he did.
Only she said it first.

I think they all went for polys on the same day or Cory was with his dad when he went to take his and MR told him what had happened. JMO

Then I am surprised it gave so few pause. It did me.

 

[NC Analyzer]

My employees are not a number in a worldwide corporation.

MR happens to be simply a number in a large corporation.

There still comes a point in time, where there is only so much a person can do to accomodate an employee. Rarely is that the case in larger corporations. Employee's are easily replaced.

You must have missed the discussion, so let me help you. The conversation was about MR not appearing on Tricia's radio show...which wouldn't require any time off to begin with. The "joke" was between AZgrandma and myself regarding how much notification MR appears to need in order to do anything for his child. It seems to many of us that even 2 weeks notice isn't sufficient, but I don't believe he would go on Tricia's show no matter how much advance notice he was given.

ETA: I highly doubt his lack of participation in any events for Dylan are employer related anyway, but that's just my opinion.

 

[Salem]

Then maybe someone can answer for me why Dr. Phil and JT felt it important to stress that this was the FIRST time both parents REFUSED?

No - Dr. Phil said that he and JT had never had a mother or father refuse - that MR was the ONLY one.

It was not said if ER was asked to take the test. But... from Dr. Phil's wording, I would infer that if she had been, she did not refuse because DP and JT said that even when the parent was guilty- they did not refuse. Only MR, in all JT's many years of giving the test, refused.

Salem

ETA: It is worth listening to DP on the video, if you can, because DP put a lot of emphasis on the "mother or father" language, as opposed to just saying parent.

 

[Allusonz]

Oh I think he talks but does he actually say anything lol!

I believe this is a tough case to read.

I think that is why I am being particular with respect to most aspects of this case.

Some have chosen instead to jump into the fray. I have specific reasons not to do that.

 

[mixologist74]

JT said:

I have not ever had a mother and father refuse to take a poly in a missing child case whether they were involved or not. I’ve had people that have failed and taken us to the body.


I believe he meant "parents" in general. I don't believe they would want ER who had already passed an LE LDT take another one. All MOO

Emphasis on AND. I think the man said what he meant.

 

[Allusonz]

You must have missed the discussion, so let me help you. The conversation was about MR not appearing on Tricia's radio show...which wouldn't require any time off to begin with. The "joke" was between AZgrandma and myself regarding how much notification MR appears to need in order to do anything for his child. It seems to many of us that even 2 weeks notice isn't sufficient, but I don't believe he would go on Tricia's show no matter how much advance notice he was given.

ETA: I highly doubt his lack of participation in any events for Dylan are employer related anyway, but that's just my opinion.

No I did not miss the conversation

Once again, I have very good reason to be right were I am at with respect to this case.

 

[scorekeeper]

Then maybe someone can answer for me why Dr. Phil and JT felt it important to stress that this was the FIRST time both parents REFUSED?

from transcript

Dr. Phil:
Sp He disqualified himself from taking the test so at that point you have to stop
In all of your experience have you ever encountered a mother and father with a missing child that were unwilling to take a poly?

JT:
I have not ever had a mother and father refuse to take a poly in a missing child case whether they were involved or not. I’ve had people that have failed and taken us to the body.

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What said is said........only Jack T. can answer your question

the transcripts are in the media thread

ETA:

Dr. P: This man's done 3500 polygraghs (referring to Jack Trimarco). Do you know how many fathers with missing sons have ever-ever refused to take a polygraph in all his years of doing polygraph work? You know how many have done what you've done? Zero. You, Mark, you're it."

 

[NC Analyzer]

No I did not miss the conversation

Once again, I have very good reason to be right were I am at with respect to this case.

Well then I'm confused because you seem upset about time off from a job when that wasn't the discussion? Please elaborate if this isn't the case as you've made several references to that particular subject. MR wouldn't have to miss time from work to appear on Tricia's radio show so I really don't understand what your point is?

 

[Allusonz]

JT said:

I have not ever had a mother and father refuse to take a poly in a missing child case whether they were involved or not. I’ve had people that have failed and taken us to the body.


I believe he meant "parents" in general. I don't believe they would want ER who had already passed an LE LDT take another one. All MOO

BBM

So he did state a mother and father correct?

As well thank you for bringing this forward. Greatly appreciated!!

 

[NC Analyzer]

BBM

So he did state a mother and father correct?

As well thank you for bringing this forward. Greatly appreciated!!

So you think Elaine was asked to take a poly? And somehow all the audience members, MR, Dr. Phil, and Azgrandma have failed to mention that? Really? I can't and don't believe that for one minute. I have no doubt Elaine wasn't even asked to take a poly.

 

[scorekeeper]

My employees are not a number in a worldwide corporation.

MR happens to be simply a number in a large corporation.

There still comes a point in time, where there is only so much a person can do to accomodate an employee. Rarely is that the case in larger corporations. Employee's are easily replaced.

BBM

kinda O/T but I wanted to respond to the bolded statement

some of the larger companies are the best to work for.....not sure about Mark's company but...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jacquelynsmith/2012/12/12/the-best-companies-to-work-for-in-2013/

The survey asks employees to rate their satisfaction with their company overall and key workplace factors, such as career opportunities, compensation and benefits, work-life balance, senior management, culture, and values.