CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #47

[song22]

I think it is possible that something like this could have happened to Dylan:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/2...pped-for-days-in-hole-on-california-mountain/

Money Girl and SeaJay, I agree that something like this could happen. But I'm curious, why do you think LE has ruled this out? They've made several statements that this is a criminal investigation haven't they? So, do you think that LE is just being incompetent? I'm not saying that snarkily, I think sometimes professionals drop the ball and screw up. I'm just not clear on how your thoughts about LE and this investigation inform your theory about a possible accident? If you put a lot of faith in LE statements, this theory would be hard to accept. But if you don't, then perhaps you just think they are overlooking the obvious?

Also, if cadaver dogs were brought in, wouldn't they in all likelihood be able to track an accident? Well I guess tracking dogs would too, right? I mean they could follow Dylan's scent to the forest and the cliff or the mine, wouldn't they? If he was going out for an innocent explore/adventure and had a terrible accident, it wouldn't be too far from home. Do you put a lot of faith in the dogs, or not so much? All those questions makes it hard for me to accept an exploring/adventure/accident scenario. JMO

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I have pondered many different theories since Dylan went missing but I always come back to MR's behavior. If something else happened to Dylan why is he acting so strange? Why the changing stories, why the circular sentences, why no emotion or concern, why no attempt to find Dylan, why no anger towards the person that may have taken Dylan, why no urgency in finding him, why no second polygraph, why no communication with Elaine and Cory, and I could go on and on. The bottom line for me is if HE didn't do anything to Dylan why is he acting so darn strange? I just can't get past that. It's not one thing it's MANY.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

The problem I have with a mountain lion or other animal hurting him is where is his backpack and fishing pole? Searchers have been combing the area and they would have found something of his by now if that was the case wouldn't they? He couldn't have gotten that far away on foot. And where are his footprints leading away from the house? Why would he take a broken phone with him? And why didn't any body see him? Nobody!!!

If he attempted to walk to T's at the lake how is it NOBODY saw him? Where are his footprints leading away from the house? And why would he take a broken phone and all of his belongings with him? He was not an avid fisherman so why would he carry a fishing pole for 6 miles? Surely T's parents had an extra one he could borrow if the boys wanted to go fishing?

If someone came to the house and abducted him why would they take all of his belongings (including a broken phone) and his fishing pole? Why was there no sign of a struggle?

If the nearby RSO took him why take all of his belongings and his fishing pole? I believe that neighbor was an RSO due to child and not a violent act against a child (if I'm not mistaken). Yes there are some freaks who like child but do not act out on those fantasies. If anyone has found any violent history with this RSO I would like a link please.

If D met up with a young friend and they were horsing around and Dylan went in the river or lake, why is it nobody saw these two boys anywhere?

I've heard many different theories and they just don't add up IMO. I've tried to make a whole bunch of different scenario's fit but it just makes no logical sense to me.

 

[tamild]

I have pondered many different theories since Dylan went missing but I always come back to MR's behavior. If something else happened to Dylan why is he acting so strange? Why the changing stories, why the circular sentences, why no emotion or concern, why no attempt to find Dylan, why no anger towards the person that may have taken Dylan, why no urgency in finding him, why no second polygraph, why no communication with Elaine and Cory, and I could go on and on. The bottom line for me is if HE didn't do anything to Dylan why is he acting so darn strange? I just can't get past that. It's not one thing it's MANY.

IMO, MR was a pretty strange dude before any of this happened. Not that it's an excuse, but I personally don't expect him to be any less strange because his child is missing.

 

[mixologist74]

Well you have a Mother who is clearly distraught and a Father who seems to be indifferent to his child being missing.

It is YOUR opinion that every single member of Dylan's family came across as dysfunctional. I do not think that is a majority consensus by the public.

So yes you are entitled to your opinion as is everyone here. But to say that most people that watched the show are probably saying 'they wouldn't blame the kid for running away' I think you are very wrong. I have not read one comment from one person ANYWHERE who watched the show and has said this. Not one.

I've seen many comments from the show watchers as to the odd and suspicious behavior of MR. Many of these people knew nothing about Dylan or this family prior to the show. They knew very little but what was shown on the show and still they saw the obvious.

Indifferent?? That isn't what I saw in the raw interview. I saw a man who had lost his son, who was very upset about it, and no, I don't think those were crocodile tears either. This is upsetting.:facepalm:

 

[Salem]

Thanks to all who told me that LE ruled out the two boys walking. Did you miss it when I said that LE will manipulate and lie not only to a person of interest/suspect but to the public if it helps them figure out the truth. I can't simply discard another youth as a possible suspect when it was the actual press release and LE notification to residents that caused me to consider it.

I know no one wants to think of children hurting other children, but just like parents hurting their children, it does happen.

LE ruled out the boys. IIRC LE said they spoke to both boys. This theory could be explored as to "boys" in general, because Dylan may have met up with someone. But... everyone needs to be careful that there is no sleuthing of minors, finger-pointing or identifying information posted.

Hope that helps,

Salem

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

IMO, MR was a pretty strange dude before any of this happened. Not that it's an excuse, but I personally don't expect him to be any less strange because his child is missing.

Was he? Do you know him personally? I don't, but I would really like to know if someone that knows him personally thinks this is just normal behavior for him.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Indifferent?? That isn't what I saw in the raw interview. I saw a man who had lost his son, who was very upset about it, and no, I don't think those were crocodile tears either. This is upsetting.:facepalm:

Not to argue and obviously you have to go with your gut, but IMO yes crocodile tears. My gut says 'fake' all the way. But hey our guts our different and my gut could be wrong.

I just don't see emotion or concern whatsoever. And it is so darned odd to me.

 

[mixologist74]

And I will disagree with Tennlyn.

I agree with you, Money Girl. Everyone appeared dysfunctional on that show.:twocents:

 

[mixologist74]

Snipped by me for brevity

I know you are concerned that MR was unfairly portrayed on the DP show. What I don't know is what evidence or information you wish would've come out, or what reasonable information you come to your conclusion that MR is innocent is based upon. I'm not trying to be snarky, I really do wish to understand.

As I asked another poster last night - what evidence have you seen that clearly points away from MR? If you or others want to tackle that question, I'm all ears.

I know that I'm not Bayou Mistress, but I do have the same views as she does. I believe it's entirely possible that Dylan left of his own accord that night. IF he and MR had gotten into an argument, he could have very well walked to blow off some steam, or even thought that he could make it to his friend's house. He could have gotten lost in the dark, if he decided to take off into the woods, or someone could have picked him up. Neither scenario points to MR. Besides that fact that we are innocent until proven guilty, nobody here has to PROVE our facts that conclude someone innocent. No snark intended here. I wish that Colorado laws were a bit more sunshiny, if you know what I mean. Maybe then I would be able to lean on my fence.:fence:

 

[AnotherSetOfEyes]

Indifferent?? That isn't what I saw in the raw interview. I saw a man who had lost his son, who was very upset about it, and no, I don't think those were crocodile tears either. This is upsetting.:facepalm:

You know, that issue, real vs. crocodile tears nagged at me for quite some time. After watching videos and interviews...way too many times...I have come to the opinion that tears in the beginning were real. And tears when he turns his head and (IMO) pretends to gather himself are not. The thing that I noticed was that the real tears seemed to be more about himself. The fake tears seemed to come when he thought he should be showing emotion about Dylan. JMO, right or wrong. I acknowledge that I may have come to these conclusions based on a developed bias as more information became available.

 

[TxLady2]

Was he? Do you know him personally? I don't, but I would really like to know if someone that knows him personally thinks this is just normal behavior for him.

Don't we know enough about him through the words of his ex-wives and his older son to know that by now?? I thought most everybody here pretty much accepted that premise, maybe I was wrong.

 

[AnotherSetOfEyes]

I know that I'm not Bayou Mistress, but I do have the same views as she does. I believe it's entirely possible that Dylan left of his own accord that night. IF he and MR had gotten into an argument, he could have very well walked to blow off some steam, or even thought that he could make it to his friend's house. He could have gotten lost in the dark, if he decided to take off into the woods, or someone could have picked him up. Neither scenario points to MR. Besides that fact that we are innocent until proven guilty, nobody here has to PROVE our facts that conclude someone innocent. No snark intended here. I wish that Colorado laws were a bit more sunshiny, if you know what I mean. Maybe then I would be able to lean on my fence.:fence:

BBM- Your reasoning is very plausible. There is one roadblock in my mind. Why would MR say DR was at home when he left in the morning?

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I agree with you, Money Girl. Everyone appeared dysfunctional on that show.:twocents:

Obviously you are entitled to see it as you will, but I have read many comments after the show (MANY) from many different people on different websites and I have not seen one person say this. So I would have to say that the general consensus was not that this entire family appeared dysfunctional on the DP show. All of the opinions I saw regarding the show were that MR was a very odd duck and made himself look suspect. So I don't think it's just a select few of us here at WS that see this. It is far beyond that.

 

[song22]

I know that I'm not Bayou Mistress, but I do have the same views as she does. I believe it's entirely possible that Dylan left of his own accord that night. IF he and MR had gotten into an argument, he could have very well walked to blow off some steam, or even thought that he could make it to his friend's house. He could have gotten lost in the dark, if he decided to take off into the woods, or someone could have picked him up. Neither scenario points to MR. Besides that fact that we are innocent until proven guilty, nobody here has to PROVE our facts that conclude someone innocent. No snark intended here. I wish that Colorado laws were a bit more sunshiny, if you know what I mean. Maybe then I would be able to lean on my fence.:fence:

Thanks for this. I saw it after my post. So, it sounds like many people who don't suspect MR and who see dysfunction in the family as a whole also seem to be leaning toward a runaway scenario.

so what do you do with LE statements and the dogs not picking up a scent if he wandered into the woods? I'm just curious. Sometimes LE deliberately withholds info in a criminal case, but why would they withhold info like dogs tracking somewhere if they thought it could mean an accident or runaway scenario? Maybe you've already addressed this. I'm typing too slow.

 

[mixologist74]

Not to argue and obviously you have to go with your gut, but IMO yes crocodile tears. My gut says 'fake' all the way. But hey our guts our different and my gut could be wrong.

I just don't see emotion or concern whatsoever. And it is so darned odd to me.

My "gut" feeling says he was completely for real. My gut is usually right. MOO.

 

[mixologist74]

Thanks for this. I saw it after my post. So, it sounds like many people who don't suspect MR and who see dysfunction in the family as a whole also seem to be leaning toward a runaway scenario.

so what do you do with LE statements and the dogs not picking up a scent if he wandered into the woods? I'm just curious. Sometimes LE deliberately withholds info in a criminal case, but why would they withhold info like dogs tracking somewhere if they thought it could mean an accident or runaway scenario? Maybe you've already addressed this. I'm typing too slow.

CO LEO seem to be very, very tight-lipped. I'm not 100% certain about the dogs and tracking the scent. A lot of factors are involved there, such as temp, wind, etc., along with the fact that it's been said there was nothing of Dylan's to be used for scent tracking.

 

[song22]

CO LEO seem to be very, very tight-lipped. I'm not 100% certain about the dogs and tracking the scent. A lot of factors are involved there, such as temp, wind, etc., along with the fact that it's been said there was nothing of Dylan's to be used for scent tracking.

ER brought items for tracking. I would think LE would get some tracking dogs and have them go after Dylan's scent and see if it led to the woods or in some kind of direction of a runaway or adventure. It sounds like you have some doubts about the dogs abilities based on the examples of the other factors? Am I misreading this?

There was a rumor that there may have been a lead toward the intersection, but LE says nothing about that. I'm interested in that possibility. But I just don't know why they'd be tight-lipped if they found evidence Dylan had wandered toward a cliff or a mine shaft or something. JMO Thanks for your thoughts.

 

[azgrandma]

Oh my goodness! There was a huge debate about this on another thread and we all set to work trying to find examples of this kind of blatant lying, specifically where they "clear" a POI or suspect and then later arrest the same. I tried so hard to find an example but couldn't. there were people who weren't suspects in the beginning who were later charged, but I couldn't find anyone who police cleared and then charged. That's a little different issue, but I was still really surprised.

Why would LE listen to the Dr. Phil tapes, hear MR say that the postal lady saw Dylan with another boy, and then shortly after make a public announcement that these sightings had been ruled out, if the sightings weren't ruled out?

Catching up so sorry if this was addressed. (ETA - I agree with you both)

IMO LE would NEVER EVER EVER clear a suspect in public and then later charge the same person with a crime or name a suspect as a rouse. It's been blown up in courts for years.
IMO, this is what would be played out in court, reasonable doubt! If LE says, to the public - hey Joe Blow is not a suspect we verified his alibi, searched his home, found no evidence, then arrest him later, any good defense attorney is going to come back with both guns blazing saying - LE didn't think Joe was a suspect, they cleared him, he had a solid alibi and now LE is making the evidence fit the crime.
If LE said to the public Joe Blow IS a suspect (which they wouldn't do, they would just arrest Joe Blow) and then arrest Jane Doe, the same will happen, defense will go in saying even LE thought that everything pointed to Joe Blow, yet they arrested Jane Doe, she is not responsible for the crime because we have LE offering a viable suspect that they did not arrest.

ETA - just jumping off of posts and know that these quoted post did not imply that LE was lying to the public

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

My "gut" feeling says he was completely for real. My gut is usually right. MOO.

Well one of our guts is wrong and I have to tell you that my gut is usually right too. So I guess we shall wait and see. Time will tell and I hope some day we get the answers to what happened to Dylan and he comes home to his family.

I don't really care about being right or wrong. I just want Dylan home and if somebody harmed him I want them to pay.