CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #47

[Deleted member 39678]

Does anyone (TIA) have a link for:

Date MR's house was searched?

Earliest date LE determined it "officially" became a criminal investigation?

If MR's house was searched lst & then it was deemed a criminal investigation, what if anything could that mean?[/

Your quote = red by me

To some it means nothing.

To some it means that Mark may have been in involved in Dylan's disappearance.

I find it odd that after Mark's house/vehicles was searched, LE announced Dylan's disappearance is being treated as a criminal investigation. In order to do that wouldn't they possible need some "criminal" evidence?

I Totally AGREE with Smooth's previous post.

I never understood why LE even thought that Dylan ran away on his own volition with the intention of hiding from his family. I haven't seen any evidence that should make them feel that was the case.

If he didn't then a crime was committed. MOO.

 

[Seajay]

Doesn't a child missing mean anything? Someone 2, 5 or 10 years old compared to someone 22 years old would probably lead LE to believe the child is missing due to unusual/criminal circumstances, wouldn't it?

Is the 5 year wait period only for legal-age adults?

I was thinking more along the lines of there being a possibility that the child was abducted or ran away or ran away and got abducted along the way. Just because a child is missing, doesn't mean they are dead. Jaycee Dugard, Ben Ownsby, Shawn Hornback, Steven Stayner. Not every child who disappears is murdered. So I would think there would have to be some sort of evidence of a death in order to arrest someone and try them for the crime. IMO.

 

[mijamawi]

I was thinking more along the lines of there being a possibility that the child was abducted or ran away or ran away and got abducted along the way. Just because a child is missing, doesn't mean they are dead. Jaycee Dugard, Ben Ownsby, Shawn Hornback, Steven Stayner. Not every child who disappears is murdered. So I would think there would have to be some sort of evidence of a death in order to arrest someone and try them for the crime. IMO.

I'm curious about this as well. In the Michelle Parker case, her mom is filing a wrongful death suit against DS. I don't understand how all that works. I don't think they have any kind of evidence that she's deceased, and she's been missing since 2011. Maybe I need to do some reading up on the law.

 

[Dee10]

LE has some kind of evidence that Dylan arrived at the house, but I don't believe they have any evidence that he left the house on his own accord. If there no evidence Dylan left the house it limits the possibilities on what happened to him right?

 

[scorekeeper]

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20130321/NEWS01/130329920/0/SEARCH/Hands-high-for-Dylan

Not sure how many people showed up for the blood-drive. Thanks so much for those that did though.

I don't remember seeing this posted. If I missed it, sorry....

 

[TxJan1971]

Below are MSM articles (most recent first) relating to LE considering runaway theory. 11-23-12 article provides a reason for considering this theory.



11-26-12

… the investigation is looking at a possible abduction or the possibility of a runaway,” said spokesperson Dan Bender of the La Plata County Sheriffs Office.
http://kdvr.com/2012/11/26/investiga...sing-boy-case/


11-25-12

"We know some people are upset that we are even considering the possibility that Dylan may have run away," Bender said. "But we are working for Dylan and we owe it to him and to his family to consider every possible scenario that could have caused him to drop out of sight for a week. To disregard any potential circumstance could cause us to overlook a possible clue that will lead us to Dylan."
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...lan-redwine-13


11-25-12

“Scenarios from abduction to runaway are being examined,” the release said. “Without any new clues, we have to continue to consider any and all possibilities, he said.
http://durangoherald.com/article/201...late=mobileart


11-24-12

Bender said the search is “looking at all possibilities ... from foul play to a runaway, and everything in between.”
http://www.durangoherald.com/article...r-missing-teen


11-23-12

"The Sheriff's Office is not ruling out the possibility of an abduction but are also exploring the possibility that Dylan may be a runaway," the La Plata County Sheriff's Office said. "Some family members indicated Dylan may not have been in favor of the court-ordered visit this week. Dylan lived and attended school for years in the area and is known by many people."
http://www.9news.com/news/local/arti...or-missing-boy


11-21-12

…exploring the possibility that Dylan may have run away, Bender said.
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...g-since-monday


11-20-12

Bender: “We’re leaning toward his being a runaway.”
http://www.durangoherald.com/article...near-Vallecito

 

[scorekeeper]

I was thinking more along the lines of there being a possibility that the child was abducted or ran away or ran away and got abducted along the way. Just because a child is missing, doesn't mean they are dead. Jaycee Dugard, Ben Ownsby, Shawn Hornback, Steven Stayner. Not every child who disappears is murdered. So I would think there would have to be some sort of evidence of a death in order to arrest someone and try them for the crime. IMO.

I was also thinking along the lines that something criminally happened - hence the disappearance of the child - not necessary death.

I don't think a case could be brought against someone for murder unless there was evidence of said murder - but then again I am not a Prosecutor... (I think we may be on the same line of thought...)
:seeya:

JMO

 

[Seajay]

I was also thinking along the lines that something criminally happened - hence the disappearance of the child - not necessary death.

I don't think a case could be brought against someone for murder unless there was evidence of said murder - but then again I am not a Prosecutor... (I think we may be on the same line of thought...)
:seeya:

JMO

I think we are.

 

[Lordeebee]

I never understood why LE even thought that Dylan ran away on his own volition with the intention of hiding from his family. I haven't seen any evidence that should make them feel that was the case.

If he didn't then a crime was committed. MOO.

Maybe just some of the knowledge that the LE obtained at first glance when looking into the past family situation? i.e., court records, frowny emoticon, dad refusing visit to friends that night, ...

 

[scorekeeper]

I never understood why LE even thought that Dylan ran away on his own volition with the intention of hiding from his family. I haven't seen any evidence that should make them feel that was the case.

If he didn't then a crime was committed. MOO.

BBM

Initial reports LE received from reporting party(ies)?

 

[mijamawi]

LE has some kind of evidence that Dylan arrived at the house, but I don't believe they have any evidence that he left the house on his own accord. If there no evidence Dylan left the house it limits the possibilities on what happened to him right?

I wonder what kind of evidence could show he left on his own?? Not snarky, honestly curious how they could prove that.

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20130321/NEWS01/130329920/0/SEARCH/Hands-high-for-Dylan

Not sure how many people showed up for the blood-drive. Thanks so much for those that did though.

I don't remember seeing this posted. If I missed it, sorry....

I wish they could team up with other blood banks nationwide.

BBM

Initial reports LE received from reporting party(ies)?

I wonder if ER voiced her concerns to LE early on about MR.

 

[Dee10]

I wonder what kind of evidence could show he left on his own?? Not snarky, honestly curious how they could prove that.

Snipped to answer.

I can only guess: footprints, scent, witnesses, change of plans with his friends, left a note, called his Dad, answered texts... But there has been no contact since with anyone.

ETA - We also don't know if there if any of the video or photo's LE requested that showed Dylan didn't walk or drive-by.

 

[scorekeeper]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-boys-mother-suspects-husband-sons-disappearance/story?id=17813458

Elaine did not voice her concerns to ABC until 11/26/12. She may have voiced her concerns to LE well before then.

 

[mijamawi]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-boys-mother-suspects-husband-sons-disappearance/story?id=17813458

Elaine did not voice her concerns to ABC until 11/26/12. She may have voiced her concerns to LE well before then.

Right, I was wondering if maybe she voiced her suspicions to LE early on. MOO

 

[Redhead72]

I have never heard of a video from McDonald's.

I would assume that the video/security camera(s) pointed at the area where the car is ordering, and at the window - which is visible to the workers inside - would be taped. I don't know that LE have ever said they got one, or released a video or anything. It could also have been confirmed by the McD's worker that she saw both MR and DR in the car when they came through the Drive-thru. I think they did confirm the trip to McDonald's though, didn't they?

Anyway, I was just suggesting a possible scenario I thought of for someone's question about how could they list the cars in a search warrant, etc... Sorry if I caused confusion, I should have been more clear. :blushing:

As always, all of the above is MOO! :cow:

ETA: I added a clarification to my original post, so hopefully it's more clear now that it wasn't something that was discussed by LE, but merely my opinion as to how they could have probably cause to list the vehicles in the search warrant.

 

[TxJan1971]

MSM Articles/Statements to Discount Runaway Theory (Most recent first)

1-31-13
"The only possibility that we've ruled out due to the passage of time is that Dylan is a runaway," La Plata County Sheriff's Office spokesman Dan Bender said.
http://www.9news.com/news/article/314078/339/What-happened-to-Dylan-Redwine

1-31-13
"He either left the house and someone abducted him or something happened while he was still at the house. I could not think of a 3rd possibility," said Dan Bender, spokesman from the La Plata County Sheriff's Office.
http://www.9news.com/news/article/314078/339/What-happened-to-Dylan-Redwine

1-29-13
Melissa Blasius – Interviewer:
“Have you guys ruled out the possibility that one or other of the parents had arranged for Dylan to be taken on purpose to keep the child from the other parent?’
Lt. Dan Bender – Law Enforcement
“The only possibility that we’ve ruled out due to the passage of time is that Dylan is a runaway.”
You Tube Video

12-10-12
Deputies have ruled out the theory that Dylan ran away because they believe he would have contacted someone by now.
http://www.kktv.com/news/headlines/Search-Continues-For-Missing-Boy-180366681.html

12-8-12
When Dylan was first reported missing, authorities thought “he may have walked or run away,” Phippen said. But after a few days, it was clear something was very wrong, and the investigation became more intense.
http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121208/NEWS01/121209618/0/SEARCH/Volunteers-search-for-Dylan

12-6-12
“We've looked at the criminal aspect early on, since the second day he was missing,” he said. “We're left with kidnapping and foul play,” Bender said. “We will continue to investigate as long as we have leads,” Bender said.
http://www.daily-times.com/ci_22134254/sheriff-missing-redwine-boys-disappearance-believed-foul-play

12-6-12
As days went by with no sign of Dylan, investigators ruled out that he ran away
http://www.daily-times.com/ci_22134254/sheriff-missing-redwine-boys-disappearance-believed-foul-play

12-6-12
Dylan's disappearance is as rare as it is mysterious. It has been more than 25 years in the Four Corners since a child of Dylan's age disappeared without a trace and was never found.

Never has a missing child not been accounted for in the Four Corners region of Arizona and Utah. Children run away from home on a regular basis and are sometimes gone for long stretches, Tanner said. But the cases have always been resolved.
http://www.daily-times.com/ci_22134254/sheriff-missing-redwine-boys-disappearance-believed-foul-play

12-5-12
“Investigators are no longer looking at the possibility of Dylan being a runaway, but we still view this as a search and not a recovery effort,” La Plata County Sheriff’s Office’s public Information Officer, Dan Bender, said on Nov. 28.
http://www.stgeorgeutah.com/news/ar...an-redwine-criminal-investigation-new-photos/

12-3-12
MR doesn’t believe he ran away.
Dylan wouldn’t have run away. He was too happy, his father said.
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_22108222/dad-its-wait-wonder

12-3-12
ER doesn’t believe he ran away.
But Elaine Redwine did say that there has been no activity on Dylan's phone since he vanished, and he definitely did not run away.
http://www.durangoherald.com/apps/p...h-through-adverse-time--&template=printpicart

11-30-12
“Task force members are looking at this investigation as a criminal investigation,” Shupe said in a news release.
http://www.durangoherald.com/articl...96/0/SEARCH/Investigators-end-search-of-house

11-28-12
"Investigators are no longer looking at the possibility of Dylan being a runaway," he said in the release, "but we still view this as a search and not a recovery effort."
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22083134/dylan-redwine-boy-missing-near-vallecito-did-not
and
http://www.pinerivertimes.com/news.asp?artid=1095

11-28-12
MR doesn’t believe he ran away.
Mark Redwine tells the Herald that he does not think Dylan ran away because he had nothing to run away from.
http://durangoherald.com/article/20...2/Dylan-Redwine-did-not-run-away-police-say--

11-28-12
MR doesn’t believe he ran away He said he doesn’t think Dylan ran away.
He has nothing and no one to run away from, Mark Redwine said.
http://durangoherald.com/article/20...2/Dylan-Redwine-did-not-run-away-police-say--

11-28-12
Law-enforcement task force discarded the possibility that he ran away Dan Bender said. He has a history of staying in contact with his family and friends; and there’s been nothing on his cell phone record since he was reported missing
http://www.durangoherald.com/articl...ment-says-missing-teenager-did-not-run-away--

11-27-12
Dylan Redwine did not run away, police say.
“There’s a combination of factors,” Bender said. “There’s been the passage of time without any sightings; Dylan was not a visitor but had friends here; he has a history of staying in contact with his family and friends; and there’s been nothing on his cellphone record since he was reported missing.”
http://www.durangoherald.com/articl...612/Dylan-Redwine-did-not-run-away-police-say

11-26-12
His mother Elaine says Dylan was unhappy about having to make the trip, but that he would not have run away from home. 'Dylan wouldn't have left willingly,' Elaine Redwine said on Friday during an interview at the home of a friend. 'If there was any way to communicate he would have called.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nged-fathers-Colorado-home.html#ixzz2Oo1Tp4tn

11-24-12
Dylan’s Friend: “I don’t think he’s one to run away,” he said.
http://www.durangoherald.com/articl...0/FRONTPAGE/Mystery-lingers-over-missing-teen

11-23-12
But Elaine Redwine won’t hear of Dylan being a runaway and discounts reported sightings of the boy Monday and Tuesday afternoons.
http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121123/NEWS01/121129810/0/SEARCH/'He-would-have-called


MISCELLANEOUS STATEMENTS TO POSSIBLY DISCOUNT RUNAWAY THEORY:
The Lewis-Palmer Middle School student was described by friends and family as an energetic and outgoing boy, who was able to build a solid group of friends in the area even though he and his mother had only moved to town a few months ago.
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingn...s-gather-at-vigil-dylan-redwine#ixzz2OecuATXE

"He's just a little doll," said NG, Dylan's step-grandmother. "He was so full of life."
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingn...s-gather-at-vigil-dylan-redwine#ixzz2OecuATXE

“I can still see him drinking Mountain Dew, all hyped up,” NM said. “He always smiled, he was always happy, he always wanted to have fun.”
http://www.durangoherald.com/articl...6/0/rss/150-people-turn-out-for-Redwine-vigil

When asked about Dylan, S. (classmate) said with a small grin that Dylan was popular in a lot of circles, and was one of the kids who could always nail “the popular kids in gym class, when we were playing dodgeball.” “He’s one of those kids who was good at everything,” S said.
http://www.gazette.com/articles/boy-148009-friends-ago.html

“He was happy sitting at home on the couch wrapped in a blanket playing video games with mom in the kitchen,” said DH, a family friend who is passing out fliers, collecting donations and organizing searches from her store, Plaza Video, in Bayfield.
http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121204/NEWS01/121209802/Area-reservoirs-searched-again

When investigators first suggested Dylan was a runaway, people who knew him were incredulous. “That was the most preposterous thing we’ve ever heard. That was a huge obstacle for us right out of the gate,” Hess said.
http://www.gazette.com/articles/volunteers-148264-dylan-search.html#ixzz2ESdCLU9U

At Bayfield Middle School, Dylan was friends with “literally everybody,” his close friend RN said.
http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121215/NEWS01/121219687/0/SEARCH/A-boy’s-life

“Out of everyone I had, he was my best friend. He was always there for me no matter what,” Joe said. “If I had a bad day, he would sit down and talk to me. He would say ‘don’t get mad, don’t get sad, life will get better for you.’”
http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121215/NEWS01/121219687/0/SEARCH/A-boy’s-life

“It's been really sad. I miss him. He was just a funny person who could make you laugh in less than a second,” said JC, Dylan’s neighbor and friend.
http://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/Hundreds-Hold-Onto-Hope-For-Missing-Dylan-Redwine-187410291.html

He had started to grow out of his shyness and spread his wings socially in the city. As the new boy in school, he already had attracted the attention of a number of girls, said AH, Mike’s daughter.
http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121215/NEWS01/121219687/0/SEARCH/A-boy's-life

He is a fan of Skate City, a local roller rink where middle-schoolers are known to mingle, and was starting to find a group of friends at his new school, Lewis Palmer Middle School, said his American History teacher, SM.
http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121215/NEWS01/121219687/0/SEARCH/A-boy's-life

Dylan has played Little League for years and excelled in the outfield, said his coach PE. He wasn’t a complainer and had a passion for the game that stood out among his teammates, PE said.
http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121215/NEWS01/121219687/-1/news01&source=RSS

Melissa Blasius:
Umm… so you guys moved here last summer. Did he… did he want to be here? Was he acclimating well? Do you think there’s any possibility that he just, you know, was being bullied or anything like that?

Elaine Redwine:
No. Absolutely not! He loved being here. He loved his friends. He made so many friends here. He loved going to Skate City with his friend Joe and all of his friends in our old neighborhood in Colorado Springs. ... but here… he loved being in the city – the atmosphere of what was going on, you know, around here, and loved being able to go to the Rockies games in the summer. We went to Waterworld, which is, I mean…he enjoyed that. There was no indication whatsoever that he didn’t like being here, and Dylan would talk to me. You know…it’s not like we didn’t have conversations. I knew… I KNOW … how he felt all the time… ‘cos he was not shy about telling me… how he felt. I know he was really excited to see his friends
MB Interview

11/18/12
DR texted RN and made plans to meet him at 6:30 a.m. Monday.

RN: (time 6:43 p.m. Nov. 18) Im in pagosa coming
Dylan Redwine: Cant come srry ill hang tommarow Ryan: Ok
Ryan: (time 7:09 p.m. Nov. 18) Why
Dylan: idk
Ryan: (time 7:45 p.m. Nov. 18) Did your dad say no
Dylan: (time 8:01 p.m. Nov. 18) yea
Ryan: Oh ok
Dylan: can I come over early lkke 6 30 early tomarrowRyan: Yeah
Dylan: you better let me in
Ryan: I will
Ryan: im gonna be at my gmas
Dylan: i call (you) all day if you dont
Ryan: Ok
Dylan: will you gma care or be up
Ryan: Just come around to were the sliding door is were that room is and knock on it and i will wake up

Ryan: (Time 9:27 p.m. Nov. 18) Call me when you get here too

NEXT DAY:
Ryan: (Tme: 6:46 a.m. Nov. 19) Where are you
Ryan: (Time: 10 a.m. Nov. 19) Come to nandos.
Ryan: (time: 4:12 p.m. Nov. 19) Dude your dads looking for ou
Ryan: you
Ryan: (Time: 7:59 p.m. Nov. 19) Are you alright dude?
Ryan: Dude you need to call somebody anybody asap we all worried about you your mom called and shes worried bro
Ryan: Seriously when you get the message call someone

 

[ColdHands]

I wonder what kind of evidence could show he left on his own?? Not snarky, honestly curious how they could prove that.
.

Snipped by me

Not saying this is what happened, but perhaps if the 9:37pm text gave an indication that he wanted to take off after his dad left in the morning? Would that be enough evidence?

 

[scorekeeper]

Some things I found
Criminal investigation mentioned by LE on 11/30/12
I have been looking and will continue to look for article that says LE was looking at Dylan's disappearance as a criminal investigation very early on...

I also found the article where LE changed the clothing description for Dylan's poster (since this was a hot topic a couple evenings ago...)

all BBM

“Task force members are looking at this investigation as a criminal investigation,” Shupe said in a news release.

http://www.durangoherald.com/articl...96/0/SEARCH/Investigators-end-search-of-house


Authorities also released an updated description of the clothing Dylan may have been wearing Nov. 19 when he was reported missing.

The clothing description included:

A black short-sleeved T-shirt with large gray letters that read “DC.”


Black basketball shorts with a light-colored stripes on the sides.


Black Jordan shoes with a white tongue and possibly white laces.


A blue baseball cap with a blue bill, white front panel and blue letters that read “Duke Blue Devils.”

They are the same clothes Dylan was wearing Nov. 18 when he landed at the Durango-La Plata County Airport, Bender said. Investigators reviewed surveillance footage from the airport and the Durango Walmart to piece together the new clothing description, he said.

http://www.durangoherald.com/articl...09802/0/SEARCH/Area-reservoirs-searched-again

Several forensic test results have been returned, and the Sheriff’s Office is working jointly with the FBI to review the results, Bender said. Additional interviews are being conducted both locally and outside the region, he said.

http://www.durangoherald.com/articl...tigators:-'We-want-to-leave-no-stone-unturned'

 

[Ransom]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-boys-mother-suspects-husband-sons-disappearance/story?id=17813458

Elaine did not voice her concerns to ABC until 11/26/12. She may have voiced her concerns to LE well before then.

I don't agree. Right off the bat we knew this was a "court ordered visit". JMO

http://durangoherald.com/article/20121120/NEWS01/121129996/-1/News
Tuesday, November 20, 2012 9:01pm

A court order gave Dylan’s father visitation rights over the Thanksgiving holiday, Bender said. Dylan arrived Sunday from Colorado Springs.

ONLY way WE (general "we") knew this is from ER. IMO.
And then the "poor kid" didn't want to be there posts followed. Go back to page 1 and READ:
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=191323"]CO - Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 Nov 2012 - #1 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

JMO. I truly have no idea what happened to Dylan. All of us just want him FOUND. That's all we want.

 

[scorekeeper]

Start with when you messed up post # 516 and everyone kept quoting it. Brackets around QUOTE must stay and not be bold when snipping. To fix the messed up quote alert a MOD. I can fix them by taking out the SECOND poster that got messed up.

Sorry, Ransom.

Thanks for the info.