CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #48

[menmo]

Sitting here having just bawled my eyes out. I wasn't able to be on much yesterday and just got on for today. Reading along on my FB news feed and see where missing Colorado boy found. I'm having trouble with my internet not being as fast as it should be and so even though it loaded quickly I couldn't see it fast enough! I thought it was Dylan and was so happy I just started to cry. When the page finally loaded I saw it wasn't Dylan at all then started crying again.
Even though I truly believe that MR fatally harmed Dylan I was so happy thinking it was him and happy I was wrong thinking he wasn't still with us.
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/missing-denver-boy-found

 

[Ghostwheel]

Thanks to those who replied to my question. It just seemed odd that LE said that it was probably an elk or something, like it wasn't a big deal.

Granted, because they knew they would not be able to get into the lake at that time, and didn't want to panic anyone, they downplayed the importance of it, but when Wendy took her dogs in and they alerted on pretty much the same areas, I had to wonder why LE didn't think it was much to start with.

Several good thoughts have come up though. Indian Burial grounds. I would never have thought of that, but it's possible. Centuries before we set foot in the area, Native Americans have lived there. We've all heard countless times where contruction is going up someplace and burial grounds were found. Heck, a couple of years ago over by where I live, a business was relandscaping the front of their business and found ancient burial grounds of an indigenous tribe that lived in the area a few hundred years back.

And of course, we don't know if someone else drowned in that lake and the remains were never recovered, this could be why the dogs alerted on the area.

It's just that I like to take LE's statements as the most reliable, over MSM, and the family, because MSM goes for sensationalism and the family tends to be biased in their opinions. IMO

Even at that, LE has been known to leak false or partial information in order to get a specific response, sort of like a fishing expedition. IMO, JMO, MOO.

BBM: Slightly O/T but not really, I don't know if any of you remember the Chelsea King case, where the same perp killed Amber Dubois? After the perp was captured for Chelsea, and there were rumors about his possible involvement with Amber, LE made a huge deal about a tip about Amber's body in a lake in one area, while they were really recovering Amber's body in another area. Most MSM was at the false site (real tip, but LE knew the body wasn't there), so LE would not be bothered with a bunch of reporters at the real site.

So I take LE statements with a grain of salt, and know they aren't cut and dried.

 

[Allusonz]

jmhoo but I don't think they have discounted it... I think they did what they could at the time with the weather and water temps.

they also could have more investigative info that we are not aware of?:twocents::twocents:

Going on memory here. I believe one adds 24 hours for every 2 degrees below 50 degrees. IIRC the water temperature was at 38.

This I believe would match the approximate time the helicopters first flew over. Need to look at this time frame again.

 

[scorekeeper]

Mark's polygraphs don't give me any great concern because I don't think that they are reliable enough.

I don't know if LE has even asked him to take another test and like Bayou Mistress said maybe Mark has taken a second polygraph for LE that we don't know about.

In my opinion if Mark did pass a polygraph it would not rule him out. MOO.

So are you saying the investigation has continued on a certain course (no matter whether Mark passed/failed)?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

So are you saying the investigation has continued on a certain course (no matter whether Mark passed/failed)?

I sure hope so.

 

[Allusonz]

Been thinking about those hits in the lake....I don't think LE discounted them, per se, or they would not have done flyovers and sent in divers. We debated K-9 Forensics' dogs and certifications here at websleuths and they certainly had mixed results in the Tammy Salle case, so I went back and researched the original dogs who hit in November.
http://durangoherald.com/article/20121125/NEWS01/121129707/Divers-search-reservoir

Two of the dogs in this search work with La Plata County Search and Rescue.
http://www.laplatasar.org/www/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=10&Itemid=23

Those dogs are trained by:
http://www.highcountryk9.org/Default.aspx?mn=1

That group looks impressive to me.

I might be willing to critique one dog or another but five dogs by two different teams on two different searches in the same lake? With a history of fine training? I cannot discount the dogs. Someone is in that lake and, per Sarx, probably not historical or cremated remains. The only person I am aware of to go missing from this area besides Dylan was CJ Harvey in 1984. I think even that might be too long ago for a dog hit. Maybe. Anyone else? Any other unaccounted for adults I might have missed?

I agree. I looked up the certifications for these dogs. Yes miscues happen between handlers and the dogs, but there is no way one can discount the different hits by the different groups.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

BBM: Slightly O/T but not really, I don't know if any of you remember the Chelsea King case, where the same perp killed Amber Dubois? After the perp was captured for Chelsea, and there were rumors about his possible involvement with Amber, LE made a huge deal about a tip about Amber's body in a lake in one area, while they were really recovering Amber's body in another area. Most MSM was at the false site (real tip, but LE knew the body wasn't there), so LE would not be bothered with a bunch of reporters at the real site.

So I take LE statements with a grain of salt, and know they aren't cut and dried.

Thank you! I was trying to make that very point a few days ago (unsuccessfully). You said it perfectly!

 

[Eileen730]

Mark's polygraphs don't give me any great concern because I don't think that they are reliable enough.

I don't know if LE has even asked him to take another test and like Bayou Mistress said maybe Mark has taken a second polygraph for LE that we don't know about.

In my opinion if Mark did pass a polygraph it would not rule him out. MOO.

Oh I think it would esp since he has no alibi for many hours.
This man has alot of time to account for.

 

[scorekeeper]

BBM: Slightly O/T but not really, I don't know if any of you remember the Chelsea King case, where the same perp killed Amber Dubois? After the perp was captured for Chelsea, and there were rumors about his possible involvement with Amber, LE made a huge deal about a tip about Amber's body in a lake in one area, while they were really recovering Amber's body in another area. Most MSM was at the false site (real tip, but LE knew the body wasn't there), so LE would not be bothered with a bunch of reporters at the real site.

So I take LE statements with a grain of salt, and know they aren't cut and dried.

Knox County SO (Ohio) did the same thing when they were retriving the murdered bodies of three individuals and the pet dog (that were hidden in a tree). They had people searching on the other side of the county from where the bodies were.

Thanks for bring this up....good point

 

[Allusonz]

True, but I do believe that if Mark had taken a 2nd polygraph and passed, he would have said so. It would be great for him to have that cleared up, especially if he wants suspicion off of him. By the same token, maybe he wants all this attention because, if nothing else, it helps keep Dylan's name out there. I like to look at a lot of different angles.

BBM

Interesting hypothesis.

My only problem with it is that I wonder if individuals would be on the lookout for a missing person if they felt the case was already soved? I think this could go both ways.

ETA Unless as stated after by you that it was a smokescreen. Interesting.

 

[raine1212]

O/T Scorekeeper can u do a scanner rewind.. pop downstairs if u can.. Not Dylan related

 

[scorekeeper]

Oh I think it would esp since he has no alibi for many hours.
This man has alot of time to account for.

And I think that is why LE has asked for any possible video during the time of 7 pm Sunday thru 7 pm Monday.

LE should be trying to verify or discredit Mark's statements, shouldn't they?They have done so with some of the information released by their last press release - the mail lady and where Elaine, Cory and Mike were, etc.

So perhaps they are also trying to gather evidence or looking very closely at the questions/answers that Mark "failed/inconclusion" on his first LDT?

Hope this makes sense...

 

[Dee10]

I think a 2nd poly would have been helpful in the very beginning, but I think LE is way past needing or even wanting one now.

 

[rebeccaeee]

I think a 2nd poly would have been helpful in the very beginning, but I think LE is way past needing or even wanting one now.

Have to admit- it wouldn't do much for me now either.

 

[Seajay]

BBM: Slightly O/T but not really, I don't know if any of you remember the Chelsea King case, where the same perp killed Amber Dubois? After the perp was captured for Chelsea, and there were rumors about his possible involvement with Amber, LE made a huge deal about a tip about Amber's body in a lake in one area, while they were really recovering Amber's body in another area. Most MSM was at the false site (real tip, but LE knew the body wasn't there), so LE would not be bothered with a bunch of reporters at the real site.

So I take LE statements with a grain of salt, and know they aren't cut and dried.

So, in other words,

We don't take LE's word because they lie to the press to keep them out of the way and out of the investigation.

We don't take MSM's word because they put their own spin on things and reword things, changing the meaning of what they were told.

We don't take family's word for things because they are biased and see things one way, their opinions are colored by their experiences.

We don't have a lot to go on then. Can't take anyone's word. All have an ulterior motive for doing what they do. Back to square one. Don't believe any one or any thing. IMO.

 

[Allusonz]

So, in other words,

We don't take LE's word because they lie to the press to keep them out of the way and out of the investigation.

We don't take MSM's word because they put their own spin on things and reword things, changing the meaning of what they were told.

We don't take family's word for things because they are biased and see things one way, their opinions are colored by their experiences.

We don't have a lot to go on then. Can't take anyone's word. All have an ulterior motive for doing what they do. Back to square one. Don't believe any one or any thing. IMO.

I am not Ghostwheel, but it does not necessarily mean that LE is lying. The K9's could very well of had accurate alerts. Just maybe LE knows why they alerted.

I think back as well to the Sierra Lamar case, and LE stated that they tracked her scent to the end of the driveway. Once there was an arrest, we found that yes she was tracked to the end of the driveway, and then tracked half way down the block.

Kinda like partial disclosure.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

So, in other words,

We don't take LE's word because they lie to the press to keep them out of the way and out of the investigation.

We don't take MSM's word because they put their own spin on things and reword things, changing the meaning of what they were told.

We don't take family's word for things because they are biased and see things one way, their opinions are colored by their experiences.

We don't have a lot to go on then. Can't take anyone's word. All have an ulterior motive for doing what they do. Back to square one. Don't believe any one or any thing. IMO.

I think each and every source has to be evaluated in context. I believe some of what MSM, some of what LE, some of what family say. I don't believe any of them all the time and I also don't think any are necessarily lying. Perhaps they all do what they feel is right.

 

[Eileen730]

Where did everyone go?
It sure got quiet in here!

 

[Ghostwheel]

So, in other words,

We don't take LE's word because they lie to the press to keep them out of the way and out of the investigation.

We don't take MSM's word because they put their own spin on things and reword things, changing the meaning of what they were told.

We don't take family's word for things because they are biased and see things one way, their opinions are colored by their experiences.

We don't have a lot to go on then. Can't take anyone's word. All have an ulterior motive for doing what they do. Back to square one. Don't believe any one or any thing. IMO.

In the memorable words of Mulder, "Trust no one."

Seriously, though, IMO, that is why the powers that be gave us a brain. To take the information a we find, sort through it, dissect it, weed out the fact from the fiction, then make an educated decision based on experience and knowledge. From this our opinions flow. If experience has taught most people anything, it's that the truth is subjective, not objective, even when the facts are placed before us. (My color blue is my daughter's color purple-the color is the same, the perception is different)

 

[scorekeeper]

Where did everyone go?
It sure got quiet in here!

O/T it's opening day for BASEBALL!