CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #48

[azgrandma]

It's too bad that Wendy's dogs messed up in Montana. That's why Bender said the dogs have been wrong before.

http://www.nbcmontana.com/news/Repo...es/-/14594602/19097550/-/101pfbt/-/index.html

Nobody is perfect 100% of the time.

 

[Seajay]

Mark did agree to a LDT and he took one.

Personally I think he was blindsided by being put on the spot on Dr. Phil and said the only thing he could think to say instead of just saying "I've taken one for La Plata County Sheriffs, I'm not taking one for you." He was under no obligation to take one on Dr. Phil and he should never have agree to in the first place.

He did not refuse to take one for La Plata County Sheriffs, the people who actually are investigating the case, not a public figure who had a tv entertainment show. If he was going to take just one, he did it with the people who mattered, IMO, JMO, MOO

 

[aust amateur slueth]

Two of your points aren't factual. MR did report Dylan missing. And MR said that LE TOLD HIM that he failed the poly. This doesn't mean that he did fail, just that LE told him he did.

can you please provide a link to show that MR did in fact report
Dylan missing, because IIRC the latest LE press release said ER reported Dylan missing.

 

[menmo]

Two of your points aren't factual. MR did report Dylan missing. And MR said that LE TOLD HIM that he failed the poly. This doesn't mean that he did fail, just that LE told him he did.

I thought Mark only asked the Marshalls office if they had seen Dylan, but thought it was reported that Elaine is the one that filed the actual missing person report.

ETA The timing of reports to police of Dylan’s disappearance also has been clarified. Mark Redwine, Dylan’s father, called the Bayfield Marshal’s Office during the afternoon of Nov. 19 to ask if anyone in the office had seen Dylan, but he did not officially report his son missing. That happened after Mark Redwine contacted Dylan’s mother, Elaine Redwine, to see if she had heard anything. Elaine Redwine reported her son missing to the La Plata County Sheriff’s Office at 5:30 p.m. that day.
http://www.durangoherald.com/articl...eliminated-in-Redwine-case&template=mobileart
MOO

 

[jadejazzkayla]

I wonder if MR or anyone in this case was ever mirandized. I know some will say yes, of course he was and perhaps every one else assumes he was. But was he? And are miranda warnings required before every time someone talks to LE, like each time MR interviews or only for specific interviews?

the order goes, suspect - arrest - miranda - interrogation

miranda warnings are to be given before an interrogation of someone who at some point earlier had been arrested as a suspect of a crime. and as we know, there is no suspect in this case.

 

[scorekeeper]

News Release: LPCSO Update on Investigation of Disappearance of Dylan Redwine
Date/ Time: 4:00PM MST Tuesday March 19th 2013
Source: Dan Bender, PIO La Plata County Sheriff’s Office Durango, Colorado

Dylan was reported missing on Monday, November 19, 2012, when Dylan’s mother, Elaine Redwine, contacted the La Plata County Sheriff’s Office at about 5:30 PM to report that Dylan was missing from his father’s home in Vallecito. Mark Redwine, Dylan’s father, had previously contacted the Bayfield Marshal’s Office on the 19th attempting to learn if they had seen Dylan, and he then contacted Elaine asking if she had heard from Dylan.

BBM

Elaine REPORTED Dylan missing to the Sheriff's Office

Mark contacted the Marshall's Office to see if they had seen Dylan

So the fact is, Elaine NOT Mark reported Dylan MISSING.

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[mijamawi]

I personally don't think it matters who reported him missing. It's a technicality. Now if MR hid the fact he hadn't seen or heard from Dylan all day, then I'd be more suspicous of him. As it sits, he went to the marshal's office. They may not have taken the official report, but it's a tomato tomahto kind of thing. IMO

 

[mixologist74]

I sincerely doubt both of her parents failed their polys, however perhaps LE told them that. IMO polys given by a qualified professional are highly accurate.

IIRC, LE stated this in MSM. I could be wrong.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

I personally don't think it matters who reported him missing. It's a technicality. Now if MR hid the fact he hadn't seen or heard from Dylan all day, then I'd be more suspicous of him. As it sits, he went to the marshal's office. They may not have taken the official report, but it's a tomato tomahto kind of thing. IMO

I respectfully have to disagree, its not just a technicality at all, he was the custodial parent at the time of Dylans disappearance and IMO the fact that he didn't report Dylan missing is huge.

Why didn't he report his son missing? that should have been a priority for him IMO

 

[mixologist74]

I sincerely doubt both of her parents failed their polys, however perhaps LE told them that. IMO polys given by a qualified professional are highly accurate.

OK, I'd like to retract my last post. Here is the article where Breann's dad states that LE told them they failed.

"'I don't know, honestly, honestly. When my wife went in there first to do the polygraph and she failed it, I mean, of course as a father when someone tells you they failed a polygraph, it automatically raises doubt,' he told Nancy Grace on HLN.

'I don't know. To be completely honest with you, I don't believe we really did fail it. It may be some kind of tool they use to squeeze every bit of information out of us...I don't really know. But they said we did fail it.'"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Parents-3-year-old-fail-polygraph-tests.html

You did prove my point about LE telling someone they failed, even if they did not, just to garner a confession or more information from someone.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I personally don't think it matters who reported him missing. It's a technicality. Now if MR hid the fact he hadn't seen or heard from Dylan all day, then I'd be more suspicous of him. As it sits, he went to the marshal's office. They may not have taken the official report, but it's a tomato tomahto kind of thing. IMO

BBM

I agree. I think that since the circumstantial evidence is limited, things like this are blown out of proportion to make the case against Mark more than it actually is. MOO.

 

[mixologist74]

I would agree with you to an extent. A polygraph pass or fail by itself means very little to me. It is just one piece of the puzzle, and it may fit or not. What does mean a lot to me is whether a person is willing to take one. If you have nothing to hide, you should have nothing to fear, IMO.

In this particular case, what means the most to me is that MR kept saying he would take it, and then kept coming up with excuses about why he couldn't - or wouldn't. To me, that speaks volumes... Much more than a passed or failed test would say. Just my opinion.

MR did take a poly. This tells me he didn't have anything to hide. MR didn't have to take the 2nd poly, as it was on Dr. Phil's show, and there was no need for it. I'd never take one on a national TV show either.

 

[Redhead72]

I am sure the information is informative, except I was not mentally calculating this aspect

Sorry! I looked back through the posts, and must have misunderstood. Just to be clear on what you were asking about, was it the dive time in the cold temps? I'm just confused in regard to mentioning the helicopters, and how that would apply to the dive time, now! LOL My apologies that I obviously missed something important in the discussion! :blushing:

 

[Bayou Mistress]

http://youtu.be/CO29ewB--DE

Nancy Grace--does she count as MSM? Says both Breeann's parents failed a polygraph. Her father says he doesn't know why both he and the mother failed a polygraph. Father thought they didn't really fail, that it was a tactic, but they were told they failed. Both parents were called cooperative by LE.

 

[mixologist74]

I thought Mark only asked the Marshalls office if they had seen Dylan, but thought it was reported that Elaine is the one that filed the actual missing person report.

ETA The timing of reports to police of Dylan’s disappearance also has been clarified. Mark Redwine, Dylan’s father, called the Bayfield Marshal’s Office during the afternoon of Nov. 19 to ask if anyone in the office had seen Dylan, but he did not officially report his son missing. That happened after Mark Redwine contacted Dylan’s mother, Elaine Redwine, to see if she had heard anything. Elaine Redwine reported her son missing to the La Plata County Sheriff’s Office at 5:30 p.m. that day.
http://www.durangoherald.com/articl...eliminated-in-Redwine-case&template=mobileart
MOO

It's just semantics, IMO. Mark contacted LE first, not Elaine. JMO, but there's no way that ER could have made that report to La Plata Sheriff's dept, because it has to be done in person, and she wasn't in La Plata County until later that evening, and when she arrived at MR's home, LE was already there.

 

[Redhead72]

Excellent research!

This article discusses temps on decomp and explains a bit about why some bodies never float due to pressure...

http://www.absarokasearchdogs.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=128&Itemid=65

I still hold out hope that ROV and sonar might find things that divers cannot.

Thank you! I was curious about the effects of pressure as well! I am hoping for the same in regard to the ROVs and sonar. (Gosh, the things I find myself learning about is so strange these days... Fascinating, but things I would never imagine myself having knowledge of, that's for sure...)

 

[mijamawi]

I respectfully have to disagree, its not just a technicality at all, he was the custodial parent at the time of Dylans disappearance and IMO the fact that he didn't report Dylan missing is huge.

Why didn't he report his son missing? that should have been a priority for him IMO

If MR never mentioned to a person of authority (marshal) or anyone for that matter, then I would think it's a big deal. When he texted ER and she called the sheriff, that's probably when the official report was created.

I also think it's typical for a man to not completely freak out. I've also seen in many threads here at WS the suspicions because someone reports their loved one missing too early. :what:

 

[mijamawi]

Mark did agree to a LDT and he took one.

Personally I think he was blindsided by being put on the spot on Dr. Phil and said the only thing he could think to say instead of just saying "I've taken one for La Plata County Sheriffs, I'm not taking one for you." He was under no obligation to take one on Dr. Phil and he should never have agree to in the first place.

He did not refuse to take one for La Plata County Sheriffs, the people who actually are investigating the case, not a public figure who had a tv entertainment show. If he was going to take just one, he did it with the people who mattered, IMO, JMO, MOO

:goodpost:

I think it's funny that people are focusing on the fact he didn't take Dr. Phil's poly, yet he had no issues taking the one that LE asked him to.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

MR did take a poly. This tells me he didn't have anything to hide. MR didn't have to take the 2nd poly, as it was on Dr. Phil's show, and there was no need for it. I'd never take one on a national TV show either.

so why do people with something to hide take polygraph tests?


he was offered a chance to have a poly done by an experienced, competent poly examiner to help clear his name. he accepted and then reneged, and then refused two more times.

 

[Eileen730]

I personally don't think it matters who reported him missing. It's a technicality. Now if MR hid the fact he hadn't seen or heard from Dylan all day, then I'd be more suspicous of him. As it sits, he went to the marshal's office. They may not have taken the official report, but it's a tomato tomahto kind of thing. IMO

Im sorry It was Mark Redwine who should have reported his son missing.
This man has done nothing to find his son. Just another red flag to add to the list
JMO