CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #48

[Redhead72]

Probably because the marshal's office would have directed him to call the sheriff's office, since it was out of their (marshal's) jurisdiction. Possibly because [1]by the time he did contact the SO, he was told that ER had already called them and given them an initial report.
[2]Even if an LE agency's office doors are closed, there is always a way to contact them by phone. A dispatcher will direct those calls to the appropriate agency or to any patrolman who is nearby.
The point is, the marshal's office would not have taken the report, he would have been advised to contact the SO, and that is why there is no missing person's report at the Bayfield office. But I bet there is a record there of him contacting them, whether it was by phone or in person.

BBM

1.) I am unaware of MR, or anyone else ever stating that he contacted the Sheriff's Office, or even attempted to contact them.

2.) It has been established that the 24-hour-dispatch line listed for the BMO on their website connects a person directly with the La Plata County Sheriff's Office in Durango. The BMO does not have a 24-hour-dispatch within the office itself.

Just attempting to clarify what has been discovered. Not trying to invalidate any of your opinions, or possibility statements.

[Please refer to the BMO website under hours and phone numbers to see the 24-hour-dispatch phone number. A reverse lookup on that phone number established that it connects directly to the County Sheriff's Office in La Plata. Please note that the BMO is open 9-3 Monday - Friday, and is closed on Saturdays and Sundays.]

 

[The Cheese]

Apparently it's neither LE nor FMDR, but the person who owns the twitter account, that is releasing an update report tonight, and the FMDR admin doesn't seem to know anything about it

https://twitter.com/Mountain_katt/status/320972204072394753

:facepalm:

 

[ColdHands]

Apparently it's neither LE nor FMDR, but the person who owns the twitter account, that is releasing an update report tonight, and the FMDR admin doesn't seem to know anything about it

https://twitter.com/Mountain_katt/status/320972204072394753

:facepalm:

Yeah :facepalm:

 

[Bayou Mistress]

BBM

1.) I am unaware of MR, or anyone else ever stating that he contacted the Sheriff's Office, or even attempted to contact them.

2.) It has been established that the 24-hour-dispatch line listed for the BMO on their website connects a person directly with the La Plata County Sheriff's Office in Durango. The BMO does not have a 24-hour-dispatch within the office itself.

Just attempting to clarify what has been discovered. Not trying to invalidate any of your opinions, or possibility statements.

[Please refer to the BMO website under hours and phone numbers to see the 24-hour-dispatch phone number. A reverse lookup on that phone number established that it connects directly to the County Sheriff's Office in La Plata. Please note that the BMO is open 9-3 Monday - Friday, and is closed on Saturdays and Sundays.]

The Bayfield Marshall employs four people according to their profile on the following website. http://colorado.swys.org/company/NX2c87
Bayfield Marshals Office
P.O. BOX 80
Bayfield, CO 81122-0080
Phone Number: (970) 884-9636
Bayfield Marshals Office is based in Bayfield, Colorado, and would be considered a Police Protection company. The business provides Justice, Public Order, And Safety, Public Administration, and more. The firm is a small sized business.
The company employs 4 people. Bayfield Marshals Office's contact person would be Jim Harrington and is the Chief for the company. The contact person or the company can be contacted at (970) 884-9636.

This Bayfield Marshall press release from 2011 indicates that there is more than one employee as well. http://bayfieldgov.org/documents/PressRelease-TownMarshalCandidates.pdf

This article in 2011 in the Pine River Times credits the outgoing Marshall with expanding the police coverage. http://www.pinerivertimes.com/news.asp?artid=862

I do not think that all four employees work from 9 am to 3 pm M - F. It's entirely conceivable to me that MR was able to make contact with one of those employees at 5:30 pm or so on a Monday evening.

 

[Redhead72]

BBM: It could be possible that MR was asking them if they could check at Dylan's friends' homes to see if Dylan was possibly there, maybe because he didn't know where they lived. Welfare checks are not only done where the person lives, they can be carried out at places one thinks a missing person could be, i.e., a school, a park, a kids' hangout, a neighbor, etc. My observation is that MR likes to insert $2 words into phrases when a 50 cent word would suffice.
JMO.
As to the earlier question about there being no report of Dylan missing at the MO.... they would not have filed a report, it was not their jurisdiction. They would have told him to contact the SO, and IMO, he could have, but ER had already started the proceedings by calling them before he did, so her name would be on the report, not his.

BBM

You're correct if they were actually contacted. Here's the thing though - MR didn't contact ER until 5:30 pm to tell her DR was missing/lost, etc... If MR did indeed contact someone at the BMO it would need to be before 3pm when they close. If at that time they told him to contact the Sheriff's Office as they couldn't file the report, then how did ER already file the report? What that would mean is that MR waited a full 2 1/2 hours before even thinking of filing anything with the Sheriff's office, and only attempted to contact them after he contacted ER at 5:30 - if he ever attempted to contact the SO at all...

Also, it is not clear that BMO could not have taken a report and then referred it to the Sheriff's office immediately, or that they would not have contacted the SO on MR's behalf if he was at the BMO reporting it in person as he has alleged.

The fact - as far as the SO has stated in their latest press release - is that MR "previously contacted" the BMO "attempting to learn" if they had seen him. There is still no confirmation that MR actually spoke to anyone officially or unofficially, by telephone or in person in regard to DR being "lost" or "missing".

 

[Bayou Mistress]

BBM

You're correct if they were actually contacted. Here's the thing though - MR didn't contact ER until 5:30 pm to tell her DR was missing/lost, etc... If MR did indeed contact someone at the BMO it would need to be before 3pm when they close. If at that time they told him to contact the Sheriff's Office as they couldn't file the report, then how did ER already file the report? What that would mean is that MR waited a full 2 1/2 hours before even thinking of filing anything with the Sheriff's office, and only attempted to contact them after he contacted ER at 5:30 - if he ever attempted to contact the SO at all...

Also, it is not clear that BMO could not have taken a report and then referred it to the Sheriff's office immediately, or that they would not have contacted the SO on MR's behalf if he was at the BMO reporting it in person as he has alleged.

The fact - as far as the SO has stated in their latest press release - is that MR "attempted" to contact the BMO. There is no confirmation that MR actually spoke to anyone officially or unofficially, by telephone or in person in regard to DR being "lost" or "missing".

Mark Redwine, Dylan's father,had previously contacted the Bayfield Marshal's Office on the 19th attempting to learn if they had seen Dylan, and he then contacted Elaine asking if she had heard from Dylan.

Above is from the press release.

 

[DylansMom34]

Mark Redwine, Dylan's father,had previously contacted the Bayfield Marshal's Office on the 19th attempting to learn if they had seen Dylan, and he then contacted Elaine asking if she had heard from Dylan.

Above is from the press release.

His "contact" to Elaine was via text message after this previous "contact" where he attempted to learn if the Marshal's office had seen Dylan. Since IMO Mark doesn't seem to be the best at face to face contacts, I'm wondering if he called the Marshal's office. Is there an answering service or do the calls go somewhere during non-business hours? I thought I saw something that the calls go directly to LPCSO dispatch during non-business hours, but now I am not sure where I saw that.

MOO

 

[mijamawi]

Apparently it's neither LE nor FMDR, but the person who owns the twitter account, that is releasing an update report tonight, and the FMDR admin doesn't seem to know anything about it

https://twitter.com/Mountain_katt/status/320972204072394753

:facepalm:

Good Lord! Why am I not surprised? :floorlaugh:

 

[The Cheese]

From Elaine on Nancy Grace 12/3, she says Mark texted her around 4:30 or closer to 5:00.

REDWINE: Well, his dad texted me at around, oh, 4:30. Maybe it was closer to 5:00 on Monday. And I texted him back. You know, it was like, Well, we should call the sheriff. So I went ahead and I actually called the sheriff that day. I don`t know if Mark had called the sheriff that day, either, but I called the sheriff right after I got the text from Mark. I went to my house, picked up a bag, grabbed my oldest son, Corey (ph), and we came to Durango.

GRACE: What were his words when the dad told you he couldn`t find Dylan?

REDWINE: He asked me if I had heard from Dylan. And I told him it was -- you know, it was discerning (sic) to me that I was, you know, six hours away, and he was asking me that question.

GRACE: And then you found out he hadn`t been seen. So did you actually call the police?

REDWINE: I did call the police. I don`t know if Mark did or not, but I did, as well. I called the Bayfield police.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1212/03/ng.01.html

 

[Redhead72]

The Bayfield Marshall employs four people according to their profile on the following website. http://colorado.swys.org/company/NX2c87
Bayfield Marshals Office
P.O. BOX 80
Bayfield, CO 81122-0080
Phone Number: (970) 884-9636
Bayfield Marshals Office is based in Bayfield, Colorado, and would be considered a Police Protection company. The business provides Justice, Public Order, And Safety, Public Administration, and more. The firm is a small sized business.
The company employs 4 people. Bayfield Marshals Office's contact person would be Jim Harrington and is the Chief for the company. The contact person or the company can be contacted at (970) 884-9636.

This Bayfield Marshall press release from 2011 indicates that there is more than one employee as well. http://bayfieldgov.org/documents/PressRelease-TownMarshalCandidates.pdf

This article in 2011 in the Pine River Times credits the outgoing Marshall with expanding the police coverage. http://www.pinerivertimes.com/news.asp?artid=862

I do not think that all four employees work from 9 am to 3 pm M - F. It's entirely conceivable to me that MR was able to make contact with one of those employees at 5:30 pm or so on a Monday evening.

First the SWYS website is not an official reporting agency, and allows users to add their own business profiles. It does not indicate when the information for the BMO was initially supplied, or where the information was collected from. And the information looks to be out-of-date when compared with the actual Bayfield government website's Marshal's Office section.

There are actually seven employees working for the BMO at present (if their website is accurate). The Marshal, an administrative secretary, two corporals, and 3 Deputies. There are email addresses listed for each employee on the webpage below:
http://www.bayfieldgov.org/services/MarshalsContact_000.htm

I suppose the thing to do at this point - if we wish to truly understand exactly what MR did or did not do by way of contacting someone in the BMO would be to contact the Marshal directly and ask what their policies and work schedules entail, and exactly how MR "attempted" to contact them about DR. I don't know if the BMO would readily give us that information as our interest isn't exactly a "business" purpose.

My only point is this - the BMO is only open to the public from 9-3 Mon-Fri. If there are patrol officers out after or before those hours, it seems likely that they are dispatched not by the Marshal's office, but through the 24-hour-dispatch at the Sheriff's Office for calls within their jurisdiction - if the deputies are "on call" after hours. If MR ran into a Deputy or Corporal that was patrolling after hours then that would directly contradict MR's own statements.

If we take the SO at their word that MR "previously contacted" and was "attempting to learn" if they had seen DR or not, then it becomes even less likely that he actually spoke to anyone at the office at all, or even spoke to a deputy or Corporal, or the Marshal in person or via the telephone at all, either. Otherwise, wouldn't it make sense that he would have "learned" one way or the other - if he actually spoke to someone officially either in person or on the phone?

As always, all of the above is MOO, except where referenced directly to facts (the SWYS website info., the BMO webpage, the BMO hours and contact number for 24-hour-dispatch listed here: http://www.bayfieldgov.org/services/marshals.asp, and the most recent LPCSO press release for the phrase "attempted").

:cow:

 

[The Cheese]

First the SWYS website is not an official reporting agency, and allows users to add their own business profiles. It does not indicate when the information for the BMO was initially supplied, or where the information was collected from. And the information looks to be out-of-date when compared with the actual Bayfield government website's Marshal's Office section.

There are actually seven employees working for the BMO at present (if their website is accurate). The Marshal, an administrative secretary, two corporals, and 3 Deputies. There are email addresses listed for each employee on the webpage below:
http://www.bayfieldgov.org/services/MarshalsContact_000.htm

I suppose the thing to do at this point - if we wish to truly understand exactly what MR did or did not do by way of contacting someone in the BMO would be to contact the Marshal directly and ask what their policies and work schedules entail, and exactly how MR "attempted" to contact them about DR. I don't know if the BMO would readily give us that information as our interest isn't exactly a "business" purpose.

My only point is this - the BMO is only open to the public from 9-3 Mon-Fri. If there are patrol officers out after or before those hours, it seems likely that they are dispatched not by the Marshal's office, but through the 24-hour-dispatch at the Sheriff's Office for calls within their jurisdiction - if the deputies are "on call" after hours. If MR ran into a Deputy or Corporal that was patrolling after hours then that would directly contradict MR's own statements.

If we take the SO at their word that MR "attempted" to contact the BMO it becomes even less likely that he actually spoke to anyone at the office at all, or even spoke to a deputy or Corporal, or the Marshal in person or via the telephone at all, either.

As always, all of the above is MOO, except where referenced directly to facts (the SWYS website info., the BMO webpage, the BMO hours and contact number for 24-hour-dispatch listed here: http://www.bayfieldgov.org/services/marshals.asp, and the most recent LPCSO press release for the phrase "attempted").

:cow:

My bold

Again, the press release did not say MR "attempted to contact" the marshall's office. It says he "previously contacted" the marshall's office. It's been posted several times by others as well as in my earlier post.

Dylan was reported missing on Monday, November 19, 2012, when Dylan's mother, Elaine'Redwine, contacted the La Plata County Sheriff's Office at about 5:30 PM to report that Dylan was missing from his father's home in Vallecito. Mark Redwine, Dylan's father, had previously contacted the Bayfield Marshal's Office on the 19th attempting to learn if they had seen Dylan, and he then contacted Elaine asking if she had heard from Dylan.

http://www.pinerivertimes.com/news.asp?artid=1149

 

[Bayou Mistress]

First the SWYS website is not an official reporting agency, and allows users to add their own business profiles. It does not indicate when the information for the BMO was initially supplied, or where the information was collected from. And the information looks to be out-of-date when compared with the actual Bayfield government website's Marshal's Office section.

There are actually seven employees working for the BMO at present (if their website is accurate). The Marshal, an administrative secretary, two corporals, and 3 Deputies. There are email addresses listed for each employee on the webpage below:
http://www.bayfieldgov.org/services/MarshalsContact_000.htm

I suppose the thing to do at this point - if we wish to truly understand exactly what MR did or did not do by way of contacting someone in the BMO would be to contact the Marshal directly and ask what their policies and work schedules entail, and exactly how MR "attempted" to contact them about DR. I don't know if the BMO would readily give us that information as our interest isn't exactly a "business" purpose.

My only point is this - the BMO is only open to the public from 9-3 Mon-Fri. If there are patrol officers out after or before those hours, it seems likely that they are dispatched not by the Marshal's office, but through the 24-hour-dispatch at the Sheriff's Office for calls within their jurisdiction - if the deputies are "on call" after hours. If MR ran into a Deputy or Corporal that was patrolling after hours then that would directly contradict MR's own statements.

If we take the SO at their word that MR "attempted" to contact the BMO it becomes even less likely that he actually spoke to anyone at the office at all, or even spoke to a deputy or Corporal, or the Marshal in person or via the telephone at all, either.

As always, all of the above is MOO, except where referenced directly to facts (the SWYS website info., the BMO webpage, the BMO hours and contact number for 24-hour-dispatch listed here: http://www.bayfieldgov.org/services/marshals.asp, and the most recent LPCSO press release for the phrase "attempted").

:cow:

I should have asked you for the up to date info in the first place! :smiles:
Seven employees increases the likelihood that they don't all work 9 am to 3 pm. And Please, please review the actual press release wording. It states definitively that MR made contact and attempted to learn....

 

[mixologist74]

No, ma'am... they are elected by the people in that county, they do not work for the state. There is only one sheriff for each county.

We call ours state troopers, or highway patrol officers. Sheriff is reserved for county LE head.

 

[Redhead72]

His "contact" to Elaine was via text message after this previous "contact" where he attempted to learn if the Marshal's office had seen Dylan. Since IMO Mark doesn't seem to be the best at face to face contacts, I'm wondering if he called the Marshal's office. Is there an answering service or do the calls go somewhere during non-business hours? I thought I saw something that the calls go directly to LPCSO dispatch during non-business hours, but now I am not sure where I saw that.

MOO

The BMO lists a 24-hour-dispatch number on their website and that phone number belongs to the La Plata County Sheriff's Office. It is a direct line to their dispatch.

It is unclear how 911 calls are routed during office hours, or after office hours.

The office number would seem to be a business line that would have an answering machine if someone were to call off business hours, or over the weekends, but I have not actually called the number to see.

The phrase in the latest Press Release clearly states that MR "attempted" to contact the BMO. I offered several different possibilities that would give evidence to back up MR's statements that he "contacted" the BMO, but would lead the LPCSO to state that he "attempted" to contact them vs. actually contacted them and spoke with someone in person or via the phone.

My past posts on this thread detail this pretty clearly - about the phone numbers, and the possibilities that would explain both MR's statements, and the official statement by the LPCSO that would not contradict each other.

One of those possibilities would be a message left on the BMO office line, another would be dialed number records from MR's cell phone indicating a call was placed to the number, another would be MR's cell phone records indicating a call was placed an connected with the business office number.

I believe it's unlikely that the SO would confirm an interaction that was face-to-face with someone officially connected to the BMO as an "attempting to learn" type contact. I believe it would be more factually indicative of what MR actually learned - whether they had or not - if he made contact with a live person regarding DR.

Some of the above is obviously, MOO - based upon statements made by all parties in interviews, and as reported in official press releases! :cow:

 

[The Cheese]

The phrase in the latest Press Release clearly states that MR "attempted" to contact the BMO. I offered several different possibilities that would give evidence to back up MR's statements that he "contacted" the BMO, but would lead the LPCSO to state that he "attempted" to contact them vs. actually contacted them and spoke with someone in person or via the phone.

snipped to attempt to focus.

<modsnip>

The press release does not say "attempted to contact".

Mark Redwine, Dylan's father, had previously contacted the Bayfield Marshal's Office on the 19th attempting to learn if they had seen Dylan, and he then contacted Elaine asking if she had heard from Dylan.

http://www.pinerivertimes.com/news.asp?artid=1149

 

[mixologist74]

Is anyone else a little afraid of a FMDR update ?

Yes. I'm not sure what to think of it, to be honest.

 

[mixologist74]

But it dosent change!

Mark went to Ts house and spoke to him
then it became he wasnt home he never spoke to him

thats not expanding the truth thats changing it thus its not a truth!


Right?

Could you please link to both? Thanks in advance.

 

[Redhead72]

My bold

Again, the press release did not say MR "attempted to contact" the marshall's office. It says he "previously contacted" the marshall's office. It's been posted several times by others as well as in my earlier post.

Dylan was reported missing on Monday, November 19, 2012, when Dylan's mother, Elaine'Redwine, contacted the La Plata County Sheriff's Office at about 5:30 PM to report that Dylan was missing from his father's home in Vallecito. Mark Redwine, Dylan's father, had previously contacted the Bayfield Marshal's Office on the 19th attempting to learn if they had seen Dylan, and he then contacted Elaine asking if she had heard from Dylan.

http://www.pinerivertimes.com/news.asp?artid=1149

I see where I had placed a variation of the word "to attempt" in the wrong order as I was relating what was said in the press release. Thank you for pulling the quote, and correcting me on that. I will, in future posts, clarify it better by using the entire statement.

You are right that the sentence reads "previously contacted", however the phrase "attempting to learn" still indicates that he did not "learn" anything from this contact (however the contact was made) to indicate if they had or had not seen DR.

What is not clear from the press release is /how/ MR attempted to learn if anyone through the BMO had seen DR. What can be interpreted from this statement is however that MR "attempted to learn", not that he actually learned whether anyone had seen him or not.

It's the word attempted - no matter where it falls within that sentence - that indicates to me that there was no true contact made, and certainly no report made, or even record of his contact made officially at the MO - even though MR has stated that he went to the MO told them his son was missing and that they didn't take him seriously.

PS - please note that I am still several pages behind in regard to when I was answering and making the statements of "attempted contact". As this has obviously created some problems I will read through the rest of the thread before I post again. I ran across your post directed to me just above the last post I made before this one as I was scrolling back to the top to get back on the page I was last reading at...

As always, much of the above is MOO! :cow:

 

[MissJ]

Sniped and BBM... This is weird. Why would you ask police to do a welfare check on your child at your house, where you just came from hours before? To me, IMO, when you ask for a welfare check it's because you think there is something wrong.

MOO

Jumping off your post, how could you ask for the welfare check if you did not know where your child was? JMO:banghead::moo::twocents:

 

[song22]

MR: That&#8217;s when it hit me that something wasn&#8217;t right, and I immediately went to the Marshall&#8217;s office in Bayfield.

Melissa Blasius:
Do you remember what you told them? MB assumes or knows that MR actually spoke to LE. MR in his answer below uses language that strongly implies he spoke with or talked to LE. He also makes clear that LE answered his inquiry with a plan to send out a wellness check. If it turned out that he had only called and left a message, or if someone knows that MR just popped in and asked if they'd seen Dylan--that would certainly indicate deception. We don't know if that is the case, but LE does.

Mark Redwine:
Well, I told them that I hadn&#8217;t heard from Dylan all day and I didn&#8217;t think much of it and when I got down to the Marshall&#8217;s Office or to his friend Ryan&#8217;s house or Fernando&#8230;anyway... when I ran across his friends and they hadn&#8217;t heard from him &#8211; then that&#8217;s when I went over to the Marshall&#8217;s Office and told them that, you know, we need to find him, make contact with him. They were going to put out like a wellness check or they just notify the local authorities to keep an eye out for him and make contact with him so somebody can &#8220;bang him in the head&#8221; and say, &#8220;Hey, your dad&#8217;s trying to get a hold of you. Your friends are trying to get a hold of you. You need to communicate to somebody.
But at that moment in time&#8230;, I felt the need to address this issue with mom, so I immediately asked her had she heard from him and indicated to her that I hadn&#8217;t heard from him all day and that I was at the Marshall&#8217;s office taking care of this, and that&#8217;s when pretty much all hell broke loose with her.

He uses the same vague language with regard to his actions in contacting ER. He says he "asked" her--implying that he spoke with her, but we know he did not speak to her, he texted her. I believe he is deliberately vague in his terms and he may be doing the same thing when he talks about the Marshall's office.

Melissa Blasius
&#8217;Cos she hadn&#8217;t heard from him all day either&#8230;

Mark Redwine:
Well, not as she indicated to me&#8230; no. Here he implies that ER may be lyingAnd that&#8217;s when I think she became concerned, and so she called the Sheriff&#8217;s Department, but apparently, because I went to the Marshall&#8217;s Office and she went to the Sheriff&#8217;s Office, there was a time delay in the communication between the Marshall&#8217;s Office getting this information out so that.. because apparently because from what I understand the Sheriff&#8217;s Office had no idea that I had been to the Marshall&#8217;s Office in that short period of time.
Here I noticed that he seemed to be explaining some discrepancy. Why does he feel a need to explain at this point? He says "apparently" the sherriff's office had "NO IDEA" that I had been to the Marshall's office.

Just my thoughts (in red) on that. JMO