CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #48

[DylansMom34]

You stated that you thought MR only attempted to call the Marshal's office. Now there is a link to the contrary, and the subject is changed. May I ask why?

The word attempt does appear a few words later in the press release, when it says that MR was attempting to learn if they had seen Dylan. I think maybe she just misread where the word "attempting" occurs in the press release.

 

[Redhead72]

snipped to attempt to focus.

Would you please look at the portion of the press release that people keep posting for you?

The press release does not say "attempted to contact".

Mark Redwine, Dylan's father, had previously contacted the Bayfield Marshal's Office on the 19th attempting to learn if they had seen Dylan, and he then contacted Elaine asking if she had heard from Dylan.

http://www.pinerivertimes.com/news.asp?artid=1149

I just saw your post, and haven't seen the others from earlier today yet. Please note also the portion I have highlighted in red bolding. It's not as if the word "to attempt" does not appear in the same exact sentence. Contact could mean anything from a message left on an answering machine, to speaking face-to-face with someone.

If MR actually spoke to someone and they said that they had or had not seen DR that day, then it would no longer be "attempting to learn", but would then be "learned" whether they had or hadn't...

Where applicable, all of the above is MOO! :cow:

 

[MissJ]

MR is not stupid and yet he never seems to answer a question directly. He works around the question with everything but an actual answer to an actual question. I've only seen this in people who don't want to answer the question. JMO.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

I see where I had placed a variation of the word "to attempt" in the wrong order as I was relating what was said in the press release. Thank you for pulling the quote, and correcting me on that. I will, in future posts, clarify it better by using the entire statement.

You are right that the sentence reads "previously contacted", however the phrase "attempting to learn" still indicates that he did not "learn" anything from this contact (however the contact was made) to indicate if they had or had not seen DR.

What is not clear from the press release is /how/ MR attempted to learn if anyone through the BMO had seen DR. What can be interpreted from this statement is however that MR "attempted to learn", not that he actually learned whether anyone had seen him or not.

It's the word attempted - no matter where it falls within that sentence - that indicates to me that there was no true contact made, and certainly no report made, or even record of his contact made officially at the MO - even though MR has stated that he went to the MO told them his son was missing and that they didn't take him seriously.

PS - please note that I am still several pages behind in regard to when I was answering and making the statements of "attempted contact". As this has obviously created some problems I will read through the rest of the thread before I post again. I ran across your post directed to me just above the last post I made before this one as I was scrolling back to the top to get back on the page I was last reading at...

As always, much of the above is MOO! :cow:

Glad you figured it out. I do think there were several "oddities" of speech in the press release which in the past led some to say it was poorly written and others to say it was very precise. I'm not sure where I fall on that scale, really, but I am very sure that the press release did not say something that LE didn't want it to say. I guess, my conclusion is that the press release was written cautiously and perhaps to the point that the caution may have obstructed the message. IDK and JMO

 

[The Cheese]

Jumping off your post, how could you ask for the welfare check if you did not know where your child was? JMO:banghead::moo::twocents:

I haven't seen anything about MR asking for a welfare check. Has MR said anything else about the Marshall's office besides the 2 links below? Thanks.

This is from the Blasius interview. Link to Transcript by TxJan in the MEdia thread.

• Mark Redwine: Well, I told them that I hadn’t heard from Dylan all day and I didn’t think much of it and when I got down to the Marshall’s Office or to his friend Ryan’s house or Fernando…anyway... when I ran across his friends and they hadn’t heard from him – then that’s when I went over to the Marshall’s Office and told them that, you know, we need to find him, make contact with him. They were going to put out like a wellness check or they just notify the local authorities to keep an eye out for him and make contact with him

This is from Dr Phil. Link to transcript by TxJan in the Media thread.

• I immediately went to the law enforcement people. While I was at the Marshall’s Office, I contacted Elaine and asked her specifically had she heard from him. That’s where the finger started getting pointed at me -- right then and there -- like I had some involvement.

 

[mijamawi]

An attempt is still a try. I attempted to give my dog a bath. It was not very successful, but I still did it. Why all the fuss over this word?

 

[mixologist74]

An attempt is still a try. I attempted to give my dog a bath. It was not very successful, but I still did it. Why all the fuss over this word?

I wondered why everyone was splitting hairs over that word. :facepalm:

 

[song22]

What stands out to me in the MR interviews are not so much the inconsistencies, as I do think many of them can be explained. (with the exception of the T story). But what stood out to me was the rambling on about things that weren't relevant. These moments seem really strange to me because of the context of having a missing child.

The MB interview was the first thing I saw about this case. I did not read anyone else's opinion or know what the state of the investigation was.

I immediately suspected MR when he said that ER had not bonded with her son the way he had. It felt like a lie when I heard it and I believe now that there is enough evidence to know that it's a lie. But that's my opinion.

Other areas in the interview that are just so perplexing to me--

When he talks about where his wife works--what does that have to do with finding Dylan? You're on TV. You get to talk about Dylan and appeal to his abductors. Who cares about where your wife works?

When he goes on about the school not letting Dylan play and how this is a mid-level school and they need to rethink their policies about registering for sports late--why is he talking about that? It's like he's sitting at the kitchen table with other parents discussing local school policy--why does he want to discuss that now?

When he says he wanted to go to a sit-down restaurant. Who cares? Time is short MR, stay focused. Keep your attention on Dylan, please.

When he talks about cellphone service. Why is he talking so much about where you can get cell phone service and where you can't? I honestly don't understand what that has to do with Dylan. Why does MR feel like he needs to talk about it?

When he says he's not a big movie person and he prefers sitcoms. Is this a profile for match.com? What does his personal entertainment preferences have to do with anything? Who cares?

The bus and the bus-stop--who cares? What does that have to do with anything? Why are you wasting so much precious air-time talking about these insignificant things?

The whole transfer flight business and the logistics of that last trip in September. Who cares? Why does he talk so much in this interview about unimportant, un-urgent things. That's where I get this crazy weird sense of a lack of urgency. If he was talking like that and rambling while we were sitting around shooting the breee at a coffee shop, I'd say he was just a talker and kind of likes to hear himself talk--but in the context of having your child go missing it's no longer just quirky--it's disturbing! JMO of course.

 

[Redhead72]

Sniped and BBM... This is weird. Why would you ask police to do a welfare check on your child at your house, where you just came from hours before? To me, IMO, when you ask for a welfare check it's because you think there is something wrong.

MOO

The thing that stands out to me is as follows:

As another poster pointed out they could do a welfare check at someone else's home if the person was supposed to be there. However, MR stated that he already went to those homes and/or spoke to DR's friends and had no idea where he could be.

The police could not have done a welfare check if he didn't know whose house he was at. They are not going to go out to random people's houses and search on an emergency basis, solely based upon a list of friends who he might be with.

I don't know why the MO would bring up a welfare check in this case at all, frankly. MR had no idea where DR was in order to do one, and the BMO would only be able to do this within the Bayfield City Limits anyway.

All of the above is MOO! :cow:

 

[SmoothOperator]

MR is certainly hard to follow, that is for sure. Whether he sounds inconsistent due to intellectual capacity, deception, or stress (or combinations there of), the net result is the same.
I spent some time dwelling on this case last night, and the current status. Here are my random thoughts, and present conclusion:
*At first, I thought Dylan ran away because he couldn't stand the stress of his family situation. I thought all the vitriol towards the ex-husband was probably standard for ex's who went through an ugly divorce
*After watching the Dr. Phil segment, I realized there was much, much more to the dynamics than angry ex's. The impact of the son who was on stage was powerful. No kid is going to put himself on the line like that in front of millions of people without believing it was a necessity. I have tremendous respect for that young man. It was a very difficult, and brave thing to do.
*The additional information that was revealed about MR's peculiar lifestyle choices added weight to suspicion. Odd lifestyles bring odd people in to the picture. Was Dylan threating to expose MR in some way and a heated argument transpired? Was MR such an immature, bitter man that the only way he could punish his ex wife was to rob her of her precious son?
*Dr. Phil and the polygraph guy all but came out and said "dude, you're guilty as sin, confess now". (My interpretation and opinion only!)
*The dogs hit on the lake. (Do I have it right that it was 2 separate teams of dogs?) This can not be ignored, those dogs are absolutely amazing.

So what does all this lead me to conclude?
Well first, I have learned over the past few years on this forum that the predictable happens about 98% of the time. There are 2% miracles, and that is what we must hold on to. (My casual statistics by observation). That said, it appears to me (guess only), that LE knows what happened, and they are hoping to find remains to bring this matter to closure and insure a much higher probability of conviction. It will be very interesting to learn what evidence was collected in that home/car, etc.

I will continue to pray for that long shot miracle. It's what we must do, as anything is possible.

God Bless Dylan, his mother, and brothers.
One other thing. *IF* the father did indeed harm this beautiful child, there is no way he will be able to get away with it. Despite his attempts at deflection, it's not working. He will crack. If he has any brain cells, and *IF* he harmed that child, he will lead them to the remains and spare himself from the ultimate punishment.

Thank you for your honest view regarding this tragedy, rosesfromangels .. I very much appreciate your post and the points you made..

I could not agree with you more in how you perfectly explained and described Cory's appearance on DP..IMO IT IS EXTREMELY POWERFUL AND VERY MUCH HAS TREMENDOUS MEANING, REASON, AND CAUSE FOR THIS YOUNG MAN TO HAVE TAKEN THIS STANCE FOR HIS LITTLE BROTHER, DYLAN.

 

[song22]

An attempt is still a try. I attempted to give my dog a bath. It was not very successful, but I still did it. Why all the fuss over this word?

But I still don't understand. MR attempted to learn if the MO had seen Dylan, but his attempt was unsuccessful? Wouldn't he have learned or not? His attempt would have been successful. You may have attempted to give your dog a bath and it turned out badly. But how can MR's attempt turn out badly? He either heard from the MO yes, we've seen him or no.

I think the wording of LE press releases matter. JMO.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I haven't seen anything about MR asking for a welfare check. Has MR said anything else about the Marshall's office besides the 2 links below? Thanks.

This is from the Blasius interview. Link to Transcript by TxJan in the MEdia thread.

• Mark Redwine: Well, I told them that I hadn’t heard from Dylan all day and I didn’t think much of it and when I got down to the Marshall’s Office or to his friend Ryan’s house or Fernando…anyway... when I ran across his friends and they hadn’t heard from him – then that’s when I went over to the Marshall’s Office and told them that, you know, we need to find him, make contact with him. They were going to put out like a wellness check or they just notify the local authorities to keep an eye out for him and make contact with him.

Snipped and BBM by me

What he is talking about is 3 distinct and different things. A wellness check, notifying the local authorities to keep an eye out for him and make contact with him are three different things. Which did the contact at the MO actually say they would do?

To elaborate, a wellness check is usually done at someone's home. Say a concerned neighbor hasn't seen their neighbor for 2 weeks so they call LE and LE sends someone out for a wellness check (or more commonly called a check the welfare call). Notifying local authorities to keep an eye out for him I would assume mean contacting the SO? and the I have no idea what make contact with him could mean?

Just another word salad if you ask me. It makes zero sense.

 

[dlc]

It was an open-ended question by the interviewer, which IMO was in bad form. She asked "So you watched the movie and then what?" This is where Mark started speaking about after he went to bed, and then woke in the morning, and tried to wake Dylan. IMO, there was no "word salad", as the interviewer didn't ask a specific question, and she left it open for Mark to say what happened after.

BBM


I went back and looked at the video (again), and it's looks like MB is trying to get MR off of his explanation about cell phone service - the fact that is was sporadic, but that DR could still get it in two places (the couch, which has been moved), and in MR's room, but DR didn't go upstairs, and so on - and then the movie question - first he couldn't remember the name, then how bad it was, but MR says he's not a big movie fan, MR saying he doesn't have a long attention span, MR noting that he watches 30 minute sitcoms, and so on again....

Granted, her skills seem a bit...subpar, and I really wish he had been interviewed by someone who was concerned less with politely trying to steer him, and more with getting definitive answers, but she did ask a question, which I posted verbatim last night, and it essentially asks "what happened next?" It doesn't seem like it would be all that hard to respond to, as I would assume that he had been thinking about that very question almost every minute of every day since Dylan disappeared (IMO).

 

[mijamawi]

But I still don't understand. MR attempted to learn if the MO had seen Dylan, but his attempt was unsuccessful? Wouldn't he have learned or not? His attempt would have been successful. You may have attempted to give your dog a bath and it turned out badly. But how can MR's attempt turn out badly? He either heard from the MO yes, we've seen him or no.

I think the wording of LE press releases matter. JMO.

I don't know if his attempt failed or not. Obviously it wasn't that successful, since Dylan is missing. My point was the word attempt also means try. I wasn't comparing my attempt to bathe my dog other than to show the meaning of the word attempt. As far as the wording of the press releases...<modnsip>.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

What stands out to me in the MR interviews are not so much the inconsistencies, as I do think many of them can be explained. (with the exception of the T story). But what stood out to me was the rambling on about things that weren't relevant. These moments seem really strange to me because of the context of having a missing child.

The MB interview was the first thing I saw about this case. I did not read anyone else's opinion or know what the state of the investigation was.

I immediately suspected MR when he said that ER had not bonded with her son the way he had. It felt like a lie when I heard it and I believe now that there is enough evidence to know that it's a lie. But that's my opinion.

Other areas in the interview that are just so perplexing to me--

When he talks about where his wife works--what does that have to do with finding Dylan? You're on TV. You get to talk about Dylan and appeal to his abductors. Who cares about where your wife works?

When he goes on about the school not letting Dylan play and how this is a mid-level school and they need to rethink their policies about registering for sports late--why is he talking about that? It's like he's sitting at the kitchen table with other parents discussing local school policy--why does he want to discuss that now?

When he says he wanted to go to a sit-down restaurant. Who cares? Time is short MR, stay focused. Keep your attention on Dylan, please.

When he talks about cellphone service. Why is he talking so much about where you can get cell phone service and where you can't? I honestly don't understand what that has to do with Dylan. Why does MR feel like he needs to talk about it?

When he says he's not a big movie person and he prefers sitcoms. Is this a profile for match.com? What does his personal entertainment preferences have to do with anything? Who cares?

The bus and the bus-stop--who cares? What does that have to do with anything? Why are you wasting so much precious air-time talking about these insignificant things?

The whole transfer flight business and the logistics of that last trip in September. Who cares? Why does he talk so much in this interview about unimportant, un-urgent things. That's where I get this crazy weird sense of a lack of urgency. If he was talking like that and rambling while we were sitting around shooting the breee at a coffee shop, I'd say he was just a talker and kind of likes to hear himself talk--but in the context of having your child go missing it's no longer just quirky--it's disturbing! JMO of course.

You are so right on with this! Normal people do not talk this way! The only thing I can come up to as to why? Because he was trying to talk about anything other than the facts surrounding Dylan's disappearance.

 

[dlc]

I should have asked you for the up to date info in the first place! :smiles:
Seven employees increases the likelihood that they don't all work 9 am to 3 pm. And Please, please review the actual press release wording. It states definitively that MR made contact and attempted to learn....

Respectfully, since this has come up more than a few times, when you have a chance, could you please take a look at their posted hours? I have cut and pasted it from their site, but it would probably be best if you saw it for yourself:


Hours of Operation
Monday - Friday
9 am - 3 pm
Phone: 884-9636
Emergency: 9-1-1
24-Hour dispatch: 385-2900
Fax: 970-884-2195


It seems to state (IMO) that the office is staffed from 9 a.m. to 3 p.m., Monday through Friday. It seems (again IMO) that contact at other times would have to be by either telephone or fax.


BBM

 

[SmoothOperator]

welfare check IS wellness check

LE use both terminology interchangeably as they both are one and the same. For instance 2 years ago we had a welfare/wellness check performed on a family member that lived nearly 1,000 miles away from us.

Several months later we contacted that LEA that performed the wellness/welfare check in order to obtain a copy of the report. The report was actually listed as a WELLNESS CHECK and under the report title where it had a brief summary of what a WELLNESS CHECK consisted of it used the terminology of "welfare", as in checking on the welfare of an individual(s).

wellness check IS welfare check and LE agencies do use both terms interchangeably.

HTH

 

[Redhead72]

I haven't seen anything about MR asking for a welfare check. Has MR said anything else about the Marshall's office besides the 2 links below? Thanks.

This is from the Blasius interview. Link to Transcript by TxJan in the MEdia thread.

• Mark Redwine: Well, I told them that I hadn&#8217;t heard from Dylan all day and I didn&#8217;t think much of it and when I got down to the Marshall&#8217;s Office or to his friend Ryan&#8217;s house or Fernando&#8230;anyway... when I ran across his friends and they hadn&#8217;t heard from him &#8211; then that&#8217;s when I went over to the Marshall&#8217;s Office and told them that, you know, we need to find him, make contact with him. They were going to put out like a wellness check or they just notify the local authorities to keep an eye out for him and make contact with him

The statement above indicates that "they" the BMO were supposedly going to put out a "wellness check", but they would be unable to do that if MR didn't know where DR was supposed to be at, especially as he had already checked the friends' homes himself. Also notice that he said "or they just notify the local authorities", well if he was at the BMO then he was at the "local authorities" already, why would they say they would contact themselves?

This is from Dr Phil. Link to transcript by TxJan in the Media thread.

• I immediately went to the law enforcement people. While I was at the Marshall&#8217;s Office, I contacted Elaine and asked her specifically had she heard from him. That&#8217;s where the finger started getting pointed at me -- right then and there -- like I had some involvement.

MR states that he "immediately went to the law enforcement people", and he states that while he was there he contacted ER. If he contacted ER by text around 4:30/5:00 or later (as is indicated by ER's statements at the NG show, and LE confirming that she reported DR missing to the SO at 5:30), how does that mesh with what MR said about going "immediately" to LE given that they closed at 3pm?

Also keep in mind that there are more versions of the events of Monday afternoon directly quoted from MR that contradict some of these statements as well. In some versions he states that he went to T's house and spoke with someone, then he says he went to T's house and no-one was home, he states he went to N's home, and R's home, and then went to the MO, and other times he says (like above) that he immediately went to the MO.

The fact is that we've never heard a clear detailed statement from MR on exactly what he did on Mon. afternoon, or the order or times involved. We also have not heard anything confirmed from the LE in regard to the MO except to say that he "previously contacted" the MO on the 19th and "attempted to learn" whether they had seen him or not. They do not specify what type of contact it was when he "attempted to learn" this information, only the Durango Herald has reported that it was a phone call that was made.

The thing that sticks out to me in the statements you've quoted above is him saying that he was at the MO when he communicated with ER via text asking if she had heard from DR that day. If the text was made anywhere between 4:30 and 5:30 shortly before ER contacted the SO (which we know was at 5:30) then why did he tell ER he was taking care of things at the MO when it was officially closed, and why did he express that she was making a bigger deal out of it than was necessary when he himself stated that he got really worried after going to DR's friends' homes and not being able to find them?

All words in green and bold in the quote and below are my statements and questions, and opinions in regard to the quoted portions...
The section of commentary in black below the quotes is mine as well.

As always, all of the above except what can be referenced in articles, interviews, or statements from LE is MOO! :cow:

 

[rebeccaeee]

Good Lord! Why am I not surprised? :floorlaugh:

If you continue to read the twitterfeed, you'll see that the twitter fellow for FMDR just wants to repeat what FMDR posted a few days ago re: new search when the ice melts b/c not everyone follows FB. I don't see this as particularly funny.

 

[dlc]

I should have asked you for the up to date info in the first place! :smiles:
Seven employees increases the likelihood that they don't all work 9 am to 3 pm. And Please, please review the actual press release wording. It states definitively that MR made contact and attempted to learn....

I know -- she is putting many of us to shame! (And I definitely include myself in this group - not directed at anyone else in particular).