CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #48

[cluciano63]

I don't have a position as far as to what happened to Dylan. On one hand I have seen nothing to exonerate MR, on the other we've not been made aware of enough evidence, if it exists, to determine his guilt.

My feelings are that LE is not behaving as though an unknown suspect took Dylan. That does not mean they would be right in thinking this, necessarily, but if we assume they know more than we do, then perhaps they do suspect him and with good reason. Or, they could have totally missed the boat on this case. No way of knowing.

 

[ColdHands]

I don't have a position as far as to what happened to Dylan. On one hand I have seen nothing to exonerate MR, on the other we've not been made aware of enough evidence, if it exists, to determine his guilt.

My feelings are that LE is not behaving as though an unknown suspect took Dylan. That does not mean they would be right in thinking this, necessarily, but if we assume they know more than we do, then perhaps they do suspect him and with good reason. Or, they could have totally missed the boat on this case. No way of knowing.

I agree that LE isn't acting as if an unknown took Dylan. I'm not convinced that they are only looking at MR though. The suspect or suspects may be a name that we (Websleuths) just don't know yet.

 

[mixologist74]

Okay, so Bayfield is small. 1600 or so residents in the 2000 census. I'm an urban girl, who can find an LE officer when I want one in the big city. With such a small town, I happen to believe that MR could have located a Corporal or Deputy in the small, small town of Bayfield without too much trouble. Did he? I don't know. I'm just saying he could have; it makes sense to me. It's amazing to me, my high school had 2,400 hundred students.

My town is about this size and we have at least 2-3 officers on duty at any given time, as well as county deputies. I just can't hardly believe that MR wouldn't have been able to somehow contact a Bayfield Marshal if he were so inclined.

 

[mijamawi]

I don't have a position as far as to what happened to Dylan. On one hand I have seen nothing to exonerate MR, on the other we've not been made aware of enough evidence, if it exists, to determine his guilt.

My feelings are that LE is not behaving as though an unknown suspect took Dylan. That does not mean they would be right in thinking this, necessarily, but if we assume they know more than we do, then perhaps they do suspect him and with good reason. Or, they could have totally missed the boat on this case. No way of knowing.

I agree. However, I do recall in Jessica's case LE saying they didn't believe there was someone abducting children.

I just pray to God LE has something, anything to bring the person(s) responsible for Dylan's disappearance to justice. I don't care who it is, I just want Dylan home safe.

ETA before anyone throws the "link please" at me, I'm off now looking for it.

Finally found it....

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingn...ues-missing-westminster-girl-jessica-ridgeway

Materasso said Monday there is no individual or person of interest in the case.

But "we do not have reason to believe a person is going around abducting children," he added.

 

[mixologist74]

Once upon a time, there were a range of opinions about who is guilty of harming Dylan, if only because he is not where he belongs. Once upon a time a person could say, this makes him look guilty, but this makes him look innocent in reference to MR. At this point, the polarization is so complete as to make to most innocent statement or point of view to be called irrelevant or silly. I think it's interesting to notice that no one is able to make a significant move from their position. In fact, we have become more and more polarized and extreme in what we say. If something supports a point of view we agree with, we support it, regardless of it's accuracy. With no new information, I no longer find this discourse helpful, nor do I find the polarization helpful to my own desire to know what happened to Dylan and who is responsible. See you all when there is something new that a discussion can help illuminate.

You know, that's a great idea. I think that I will follow suit. All we've really been doing here is nitpicking things. :deadhorse:

I'll see you all when there's something new reported that we can all discuss.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

My town is about this size and we have at least 2-3 officers on duty at any given time, as well as county deputies. I just can't hardly believe that MR wouldn't have been able to somehow contact a Bayfield Marshal if he were so inclined.

He could have called dispatch and contacted the on call deputy as stated in my post. I would think if he did this, dispatch would have referred him to SO since they have jurisdiction where MR lives and would be the proper authorities to contact.

 

[AnotherSetOfEyes]

I've had multiple theories. Some do not hold up very well, they are still in the mix, but I don't give them much credence. Others have met the resounding no along the way and I've tossed them. MR's involvement just happens to be the strongest possibility in my set of ideas of what might have happened to DR. Whether MR has DR hidden or has harmed him is up in the air. I hope for one and expect the other. Totally my opinion, and I like to be able to express my reasoning here. It helps me to see why others might agree or disagree and what they are basing their opinion on.

 

[Dee10]

From Dec. 8th:

Phippen wanted to reassure residents that the Sheriff’s Office “does not believe there is a sex offender abducting children” from the area.

http://durangoherald.com/article/20121208/NEWS01/121209618/-1/s

 

[TxLady2]

LOL

I agree that it makes it more likely that there are officers on patrol after office hours. However, these officers could be dispatched by the Sheriff's office for calls that fall within Bayfield city limits (calls which would come in through 911 or the 24-hour-dispatch phone number).

This doesn't mean however that one would be able to call the business office and speak to someone in person after hours, or speak to an officer directly by calling the office phone number. It also doesn't indicate that officers are necessarily at the office at any time during their shifts if they are after hours. Also note that Bayfield doesn't have a detention center and anyone arrested would go to the County Jail so that would indicate that they work closely with the LPCSO in relation to their LE activities both during regular hours, and after hours as well. [Also note that in small communities sometimes officers are even contacted at their homes by dispatch in the event of an emergency while they are "on call" - I do not know that BMO deputies are only "on call" and not on patrol during an off-hours shift, just that it's another possibility for how the BMO works after hours.]

Again, I do not know for sure what BMO does in regard to actual work shifts, patrol hours and SOP for an officer on patrol. The only things we do know for sure are; that the office hours are from 9-3 M-F and closed on the weekends, that the BMO supplies a 24-hour-dispatch phone number on their webpage that is a direct line to the LPCSO, and that in case of an emergency there is 911 service.

I'm sure you've likely seen where I acknowledged the wording in the press release, and admitted I had re-arranged it in my head. Please note that it doesn't completely change the meaning of the sentence as it still contains the word "to attempt", and doesn't change my comprehension of the sentence itself and what is implied by that choice of words.

PS - I think I've almost caught up and didn't miss anything directed towards me specifically. Thanks!

Jumping off your post.
My hometown is very small, and we have a police force, probably no more than 4 to 6 officers. The office is closed after 5 p.m. and on weekends, but you can still call the number and it is routed to the dispatcher in the county SO who will contact whichever officer is closest to where you live, or they will meet you at the police station. They do have officers patrolling 24 hours a day.
My question is, why have a LE agency in a town, if they only have officers on duty from 8 to 3 p.m? Most burglaries, and other crimes happen after dark. I would think they have at least one, possibly two officers working evening and night shifts, patrolling in town. Just because the main office is closed to the public does NOT mean there is no one available to respond to a call from someone needing help. If the calls are routed to LPCSO, that just means to a dispatcher, who routes calls to whichever agency/officer is appropriate.

 

[TxLady2]

BBM

How would he do this if they were off duty and the office was closed? I'm sure he could have called SO dispatch (and the number is probably posted on the MO doors) and they could have gotten a hold of the on call deputy but IMO the dispatcher would have probably asked MR where he lived and once he gave his home address they would have referred him to the SO since they cover his area. Just MOO.

Why would they have 3 deputies and 2 corporals for just a 6 or 7 hour shift? And none in the evenings or at night? Doesn't make sense. I would think 2 on day shift, two on night shift and one to work swing shift taking the others' days off. Most cops work 12 hours shifts, by the way.

 

[Tennlyn]

Jumping off your post.
My hometown is very small, and we have a police force, probably no more than 4 to 6 officers. The office is closed after 5 p.m. and on weekends, but you can still call the number and it is routed to the dispatcher in the county SO who will contact whichever officer is closest to where you live, or they will meet you at the police station. They do have officers patrolling 24 hours a day.
My question is, why have a LE agency in a town, if they only have officers on duty from 8 to 3 p.m? Most burglaries, and other crimes happen after dark. I would think they have at least one, possibly two officers working evening and night shifts, patrolling in town. Just because the main office is closed to the public does NOT mean there is no one available to respond to a call from someone needing help. If the calls are routed to LPCSO, that just means to a dispatcher, who routes calls to whichever agency/officer is appropriate.

There really isn't much crime there. http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Bayfield-Colorado.html
Only one burglary in 2010.

Right now their biggest concern seems to be graffiti. http://www.bayfieldgov.org/services/PressReleases.htm

 

[dlc]

Looked again for you. I still don't think that seven people all work from 9 am - 3 pm Monday through Friday. Do you? It seems that contact could have been in person with one of the seven employees. BTW, if those are full time hours in Bayfield, I'm moving there to find a job. As soon as they rule out someone abducting a young man in the area.

Gracias!

I agree, I don't think all 7 people (and I once lived in a village that had one police officer, who was also the postmaster, and when he died, that was it) sit in the office from 9 am until 3 pm.

I would assume (JMO) that a certain number of officers cover the day shift, and that the rest cover the evening one, and that to reach them after hours you need to give them a call at one of the phone numbers listed. I would suspect that maybe one officer takes desk duty, or maybe there's an administrator, during the hours of 9 a.m. to 3 p.m., Monday through Friday, to handle non-emergency kinds of things. (?)

If you think about it, when people need the police they usually call; actually going to the station house (or whatever they call it there) is usually something you do to deal with paperwork, legal issues, and so on.

So, if MR went there after 3, it's quite possible that no one would be there.

JMO, IMO, etc.

 

[Confusion]

I've been waiting for someone else to say this, but it's looking like it isn't going to happen. There's a difference between office hours and duty hours. The clerks, and other office personnel may finish speaking with visitors at 3 pm, but that doesn't mean that law enforcement ends for the day at that time. In my experiences, many of the office personnel also work after they no longer meet with the public; there are often reports that need to be written/filed and other things that are hard to do while serving the public. I would be very surprised if the office is empty before 5 pm most week days, and possibly on weekends. MOO

 

[TxLady2]

My town is about this size and we have at least 2-3 officers on duty at any given time, as well as county deputies. I just can't hardly believe that MR wouldn't have been able to somehow contact a Bayfield Marshal if he were so inclined.

That's the way it works in most every small town, mix. The office may be closed and locked, which only means the administrative part of the agency, because cops don't sit behind desks and push pencils. They are out in the public catching criminals and preventing crime. Crime doesn't just happen from 8 a.m. to 3 p.m. Why anyone could not understand that or think a law enforcement agency would only be available 7 hours, 5 days a week, is beyond me. I have a lot of family who do or have worked in LE, everything from sheriff's deputy, state trooper, city cop, game warden, constable, city marshal, and I think even a dogcatcher. :floorlaugh: Not many of them have been able to go home at 5 and have dinner with their families every day.

 

[TxLady2]

I've been waiting for someone else to say this, but it's looking like it isn't going to happen. There's a difference between office hours and duty hours. The clerks, and other office personnel may finish speaking with visitors at 3 pm, but that doesn't mean that law enforcement ends for the day at that time. In my experiences, many of the office personnel also work after they no longer meet with the public; there are often reports that need to be written/filed and other things that are hard to do while serving the public. I would be very surprised if the office is empty before 5 pm most week days, and possibly on weekends. MOO

Look upthread a few posts above yours. I posted something similar.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Thank you for your honest view regarding this tragedy, rosesfromangels .. I very much appreciate your post and the points you made..

I could not agree with you more in how you perfectly explained and described Cory's appearance on DP..IMO IT IS EXTREMELY POWERFUL AND VERY MUCH HAS TREMENDOUS MEANING, REASON, AND CAUSE FOR THIS YOUNG MAN TO HAVE TAKEN THIS STANCE FOR HIS LITTLE BROTHER, DYLAN.

Thank you Smooth. Yes, he is a very courageous young man and I have a great deal of respect for him for what he did. It broke my heart to see the pain and anguish he was going through on that stage. At the time I didn't understand all the dynamics as I do now. This is why I pray for him, his brother, his mom, and of course Dylan.

In reading the flurry of posts today, I think we are all feeling a shift of some sort. NO ONE IS GIVING UP. WE ARE GOING TO FIND THE TRUTH. The pressure is on, and won't let up. My intuition is telling me that we are going have a significant advancement in this case soon. I pray I'm right.

 

[TxLady2]

There really isn't much crime there. http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Bayfield-Colorado.html
Only one burglary in 2010.

Right now their biggest concern seems to be graffiti. http://www.bayfieldgov.org/services/PressReleases.htm

Well, that would be kind of hard to believe if there were no officers on duty after 3 p.m. at all. I am sure it's because there ARE patrol officers out driving around and keeping the city crime-free. :twocents:

 

[Confusion]

Look upthread a few posts above yours. I posted something similar.

I guess what you said was pretty close to that. :blushing: When I lived in a town the size of Bayfield (about 20-25 years ago), if you needed the police after hours, and sometimes during official hours, you'd just call the chief at home. He'd come help you personally if nobody else was available. I have a feeling that things may have changed a bit since then. MOO

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Joseph McIntyre Chief Marshal
Maureen Cleveland Admin Secretary
Dan Cyr Corporal
Dan Abdella Corporal
Paul Pate Deputy
Holly Cashwell Deputy
Derick Campbell Deputy

From Bayfield Marshal's Office website

And from a 2010 article.

Bayfield Marshal Chris Choate told the board his office always has someone on call, though his staff of four deputies isnt large enough to have someone on duty all the time.

It looks like they are currently down to only 3 deputies (see my post above).

Quoting myself just to bring this forward since there still seem to be some questions regarding this. According to this 2010 article I found it seems their staff of deputies is not large enough to have someone on duty all the time. At the time of this 2010 article it appears they had 4 deputies and a look at the current deputy list shows they are now down to 3.

 

[rebeccaeee]

From Twitter:
@DylanRedwine: Update on the search for Dylan Redwine http://t.co/gs30CGaFIC #FindDylan

Links to a blog. I have no idea who owns the blog.

Thanks for the link. It is my understanding the same fellow who updates finddylan.com also operates the blog. He is based in Colo Springs.