CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #48

[rebeccaeee]

I've had multiple theories. Some do not hold up very well, they are still in the mix, but I don't give them much credence. Others have met the resounding no along the way and I've tossed them. MR's involvement just happens to be the strongest possibility in my set of ideas of what might have happened to DR. Whether MR has DR hidden or has harmed him is up in the air. I hope for one and expect the other. Totally my opinion, and I like to be able to express my reasoning here. It helps me to see why others might agree or disagree and what they are basing their opinion on.

I really envy your ability to be so completely open to several theories at once. Quite honestly, the window of doubt closed for me awhile ago (except for that 1% that always lingers). thanks for your thoughts here though- I really appreciate them.

 

[NC Analyzer]

I have lived and worked in many rural communities. They all have their own jurisdictions, usually city/county, but if they are small, the small "city" offices often have regular working/office hours and once the office is closed, there is a number to call for non-emergency and of course, 911 for emergency. The calls are routed after-hours to central dispatch and radioed to the officer nearest the scene. Even in CPS, we are on-call 27/7 and our calls are dispatched to us directly at home via pager or cell. We are allowed 30 min to respond to the scene. Central dispatch usually routes ambulance, fire, EMT, CPS and LE.
IMO, if MR contacted anyone after hours, it would likely have been a phone call and an officer would have been dispatched. There would be a record, both by LE and dispatch.
Other than the technical debate, it really doesn't matter much in terms of finding Dylan. Mark did whatever he did, but fortunately, Elaine had the sense to report her child missing and got the ball rolling.

 

[rebeccaeee]

Is anyone else a little afraid of a FMDR update ?

I have such mixed feelings. Want Dylan found. Don't want to find Dylan in the lake. Want to rule the lake out. Don't want to be wondering what happened to Dylan 10 years from now. Even if they pull someone *else* out of the lake, I can't rule it out 100%. I want Dylan home alive and well but I want an end to his family's pain just as much. There are no easy answers. Thanks for letting me jump off your post, Schmae. I expect dozens of us will be on pins and needles while the lake is searched again. At this point, I am hoping for the least awful of all resolutions but, being a pragmatist, I'll take the one that ends the what ifs most quickly as well.

 

[mijamawi]

Thanks for the link. It is my understanding the same fellow who updates finddylan.com also operates the blog. He is based in Colo Springs.

Why did I think he was in Ohio or Montana or something? I just assumed he was a relative but lived in another state.

Not that it matters or anything, just something that was in my head for some reason.

 

[cluciano63]

It is really difficult to think of any really "good" outcomes at this point. I don't and never have believed that someone took Dylan for a custodial reason, i.e. out of "love". If he is alive, it is hard to imagine that he is not suffering some terrible fate. And there is no guarantee he would ever be found to be rescued, if this were the case. I can't wish him alive if he is to suffer every hour of his life.

I also do not believe Dylan left the house voluntarily, since he stopped all contact on Sunday. I suppose it is vaguely possible someone familiar to him came by and told him he would give him a ride and that Dylan could use his/her phone (adding in the coincidence of Dylan's phone being broken beyond use) and then instead tied Dylan up or did something to disable him. But it is all too many coincidences for me; his phone ceasing to work, Dylan not being able to use a landline for any purpose, not even to call his mom to get some phone numbers, someone knowing where Mark lived and guessing right that Dylan would be home alone when he was meant to be gone, etc. or even someone just stopping by and on the spur of the moment deciding to kidnap Dylan. It is all too ludicrous to me, when taken in totality. And Dylan venturing out on a chilly morning on foot, when he had a ride coming by lunchtime and had not called R, is also beyond reasonable to me. So with all that, it does not leave me much to work with, as I see zero evidence that he would run away.

But of course, there is nothing to say my feelings are right.

I guess I have followed too many cases, or the wrong ones, to be able to summon up much optimism when a missing person case, children in particular, goes on for months. Yes, there are the few we all know by name who were later found alive, but the reason we know their names is because it is so unusual.

 

[rebeccaeee]

It is really difficult to think of any really "good" outcomes at this point. I don't and never have believed that someone took Dylan for a custodial reason, i.e. out of "love". If he is alive, it is hard to imagine that he is not suffering some terrible fate. And there is no guarantee he would ever be found to be rescued, if this were the case. I can't wish him alive if he is to suffer every hour of his life.

I also do not believe Dylan left the house voluntarily, since he stopped all contact on Sunday. I suppose it is vaguely possible someone familiar to him came by and told him he would give him a ride and that Dylan could use his/her phone (adding in the coincidence of Dylan's phone being broken beyond use) and then instead tied Dylan up or did something to disable him. But it is all too many coincidences for me; his phone ceasing to work, Dylan not being able to use a landline for any purpose, not even to call his mom to get some phone numbers, someone knowing where Mark lived and guessing right that Dylan would be home alone when he was meant to be gone, etc. or even someone just stopping by and on the spur of the moment deciding to kidnap Dylan. It is all too ludicrous to me, when taken in totality. And Dylan venturing out on a chilly morning on foot, when he had a ride coming by lunchtime and had not called R, is also beyond reasonable to me. So with all that, it does not leave me much to work with, as I see zero evidence that he would run away.

But of course, there is nothing to say my feelings are right.

I guess I have followed too many cases, or the wrong ones, to be able to summon up much optimism when a missing person case, children in particular, goes on for months. Yes, there are the few we all know by name who were later found alive, but the reason we know their names is because it is so unusual.

Thanks for saying what I have been thinking but am incapable of stating. Y'all know this is my first go round with websleuths, but certainly not the only missing child that has come to my attention. Dylan's case breaks my heart into a million pieces. If every thread does so, how does anyone keep their sanity here?

 

[SCHMAE]

Big blizzard for the rockies

 

[cluciano63]

OT, but on a show I am kind of watching, a detective said that questions for a lie detector test were "crafted" as he put it, to try to show if the account given to LE by the person is true, i.e. that they make the questions specific to the person and what they have said prior. Not just a general list of questions for each person they test, in other words.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Something just occurred to me and I don't remember if anyone discussed it. During the MB interview, when speaking about trying to communicate with Dylan because he wanted to stop at the store and pick up things they needed them for Thanksgiving, Mark said:

"You know, when you drive up here, you don’t want to go to Durango again the next day, so you have to think ahead. You know, you gotta’ make sure you pick up everything you need while you’re in town because it’s a long way to go to Durango or Bayfield to get something you overlooked."

But why would this matter if he planned on taking Dylan to his friend’s in Bayfield that day? He could get whatever he needed then, after talking with Dylan in the car on the way there. It makes me think he had no intention of taking Dylan to Bayfield that day.

 

[SCHMAE]

OT, but on a show I am kind of watching, a detective said that questions for a lie detector test were "crafted" as he put it, to try to show if the account given to LE by the person is true, i.e. that they make the questions specific to the person and what they have said prior. Not just a general list of questions for each person they test, in other words.

Clu, do you mean for example something like
Were you home at 7 pm last night like you told us?
Did you really work late last thursday?

tia

 

[Ghostwheel]

I have had some new thoughts, and wondered what the consensus might be. Let’s suppose, for a moment, that Mark is not guilty of hiding, harming or killing Dylan. Why would he talk the way he does? Having recently experienced someone who, when asked a direct question, responded with something other than a direct answer, including but not limited to mentioning something about themselves which, in their eyes, showed how smart they were (as when Mark made mention that he knew where Elaine worked, and implied she was foolish because she was trying to hide it), I started to wonder why someone would do this. Why, instead of answering a question, would you respond with explaining something that you think makes you look good?

The thought occurred to me that someone might do this because they felt as if they had to prove they were smart, in other words, they felt not as smart as the person asking the question. Then the thought occurred to me that if someone asked a question of a person about something that they really ought or ought not to have done by society’s standards, they could feel guilty and try to justify themselves or shift blame to someone else (like Mark does). If he does not feel guilty about hiding, harming or killing Dylan, what would he feel guilty for? And I came up with several things.

• He might feel guilty for insisting his son stay with him that night. If he had stayed with his friends, he would probably not be missing. (causing the “Dylan might have walked to his friends house” word salad)
• He might feel guilty because, perhaps, he didn’t really try to wake Dylan up. Perhaps he didn’t WANT to drive Dylan all the way to his friend’s house (causing the “convenient bus” word salad), so he never really tried to wake him up(causing the “Dylan won’t get up unless he has to” word salad). Instead he planned on getting home and coming up with some other reason he couldn’t get Dylan to his friend’s house (causing the “his friend’s were important to him” word salad).
• If he texted Dylan as he says, and Dylan never responded, he might feel guilty that he didn’t head back immediately or call the house phone.
• He might feel guilty for taking a nap and not looking for his son. (Causing the “I didn’t think much about him not being there” word salad)
• He might feel guilty about not having any plans for Thanksgiving. Or because his real plans were simply to spend the day with Dylan with no celebration or fanfare. (causing the “we didn't have any set plans" word salad)
• He might not have locked his door, and felt guilty for that.
• He might not have reported Dylan missing (looks like he didn’t) and feel guilty for that (causing the “went to the Marshalls office” word salad)

He had visitation custody of Dylan and Dylan disappeared during that time; he might (I would hope *WOULD*) feel guilty for that, and try to make himself look like an attentive parent (causing the all the “Elaine wasn’t there for bonding” , “I need to know he’s safe and where he’s at”, “It’s him and me”, “I wanted to eat in a sit down restaurant” word salad).

To wrap up this incredibly long post, that doesn’t come close to covering what he could feel guilty about, could his whole way of speaking just be him feeling guilty or trying to justify what many comments (at various places) have pointed out as being less than an attentive parent who wanted to make sure his son got to see his friends? Especially if he really had no intention of getting Dylan to his friends at all, and he feels guilt that this may have contributed to Dylan’s disappearance, but is not willing to admit it.

Just trying to look at it from another point of view. These are all only my thoughts and opinion, so don’t ask for links.

 

[AnotherSetOfEyes]

Something just occurred to me and I don't remember if anyone discussed it. During the MB interview, when speaking about trying to communicate with Dylan because he wanted to stop at the store and pick up things they needed them for Thanksgiving, Mark said:

"You know, when you drive up here, you don’t want to go to Durango again the next day, so you have to think ahead. You know, you gotta’ make sure you pick up everything you need while you’re in town because it’s a long way to go to Durango or Bayfield to get something you overlooked."

But why would this matter if he planned on taking Dylan to his friend’s in Bayfield that day? He could get whatever he needed then, after talking with Dylan in the car on the way there. It makes me think he had no intention of taking Dylan to Bayfield that day.

It's not very long after MR says that that he corrects himself and says that it didn't matter much because he was planning on taking DR back anyway.

 

[AnotherSetOfEyes]

I have had some new thoughts, and wondered what the consensus might be.

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Just trying to look at it from another point of view. These are all only my thoughts and opinion, so don’t ask for links.

Ghostwheel, that is a great post! So well written. And food for thought.

 

[AnotherSetOfEyes]

Catching up again. Do not mean to be hogging. But this question keeps coming back and I keep meaning to ask it then some new topic takes over.

Way back in the very beginning (Thread 2age4ost 76) it was stated that Dylan had updated one of his Facebook accounts and updated friends on Sunday. I missed many threads (gave up trying to catch up around thread 19 and just started with the current thread at the time.) Was that ever resolved in terms of who updated the Facebook page? Or did it turn out to be rumor? It seems huge.

 

[Ghostwheel]

It's not very long after MR says that that he corrects himself and says that it didn't matter much because he was planning on taking DR back anyway.

But if it wasn't a huge issue, why say it at all? Rhetorical question, actually. As per my post above, I am beginning to wonder if he doesn't say what he does because he feels guilty, in this case I'm thinking he is trying to explain away why he reportedly tried to contact his son for several hours, yet didn't think anything was amiss when his son didn't answer, nor does he mention trying to call him on the land line. (Which I would think most parents would do if they didn't get a text response. I know I do.)

Thank you, though.

 

[cluciano63]

Clu, do you mean for example something like
Were you home at 7 pm last night like you told us?
Did you really work late last thursday?

tia

He did not specify, unfortunately. I mostly took away from it that the questions are determined based upon the person's account already given to police.

I know when I took one for a criminal matter years ago (large sum of cash missing from a safe) they used my interview prior to the test to form their questions. For example, they had questions about my timeline, i.e. do you still confirm that at 3pm you counted the safe and locked it before going on with your duties, was it in fact about 6pm as you stated previously that you first used the safe that evening, etc.

I had to take it at the police station, taken there in a police car, and was scared out of my mind. But I passed and they told me so at once. (The real thief was the only one who did not pass and she confessed after the test.) Hence my belief in polygraphs.

 

[Tennlyn]

I have had some new thoughts, and wondered what the consensus might be. Let’s suppose, for a moment, that Mark is not guilty of hiding, harming or killing Dylan. Why would he talk the way he does? Having recently experienced someone who, when asked a direct question, responded with something other than a direct answer, including but not limited to mentioning something about themselves which, in their eyes, showed how smart they were (as when Mark made mention that he knew where Elaine worked, and implied she was foolish because she was trying to hide it), I started to wonder why someone would do this. Why, instead of answering a question, would you respond with explaining something that you think makes you look good?

Respectfully snipped for space.

Those are all great thoughts and ones I would gladly entertain, but why didn't Dylan contact someone Monday morning? All communication ceased fairly early on Sunday night (really early depending on who sent the 9:37 text). No cellphone activity, no landline calls, no ipod texts, no Facebook messages, no email, etc. For me, that's a major red flag that something happened Sunday night. All JMO/MOO.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Catching up again. Do not mean to be hogging. But this question keeps coming back and I keep meaning to ask it then some new topic takes over.

Way back in the very beginning (Thread 2age4ost 76) it was stated that Dylan had updated one of his Facebook accounts and updated friends on Sunday. I missed many threads (gave up trying to catch up around thread 19 and just started with the current thread at the time.) Was that ever resolved in terms of who updated the Facebook page? Or did it turn out to be rumor? It seems huge.

I don't know the answer to this (I also heard this) but I do know it's possible that he sent a friend request to someone prior and they accepted it later. That would show an update on his facebook page. I don't know specifically that this is what the update was, just saying I know this is possible.

 

[catswhiskers]

Catching up again. Do not mean to be hogging. But this question keeps coming back and I keep meaning to ask it then some new topic takes over.

Way back in the very beginning (Thread 2age4ost 76) it was stated that Dylan had updated one of his Facebook accounts and updated friends on Sunday. I missed many threads (gave up trying to catch up around thread 19 and just started with the current thread at the time.) Was that ever resolved in terms of who updated the Facebook page? Or did it turn out to be rumor? It seems huge.

I don't think there has ever been any official word about activity on Dylan's facebook pages. IIRC any friend updates were put down to the fact that others could have simply gotten around to accepting friend requests that Dylan may have sent out himself prior to his disappearance.

 

[cluciano63]

JMO I recall looking at his page at the time and from what I could gather, at least one person seemed to accept his friend request later in order to be able to post on his page. This was very early on, before all of the public pages turned up.