CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #49

[TxLady2]

This is going to sound foolish. But I wish when investigators feel they have exhausted every avenue, there was a system in place to call in a team of laypersons to pour over what LE has. LE, rightfully, is a fact finding body. They act on hard facts. Lay people sometimes go on gut feelings, and knowledge based on their life's career which might make something stand out that wouldn't stand out for LE. People would have to be vetted and sign some kind of non-disclosure. If they had such a thing, I would be at the front of the line to volunteer.

Cops go on gut feelings, too. Instinct, experience, training all go hand in hand. They do not act only on hard facts, if they did they would never get very far.

Funny... I thought that was what WS was... a group of laypeople who pour over what we know, and look for things that LE might miss.

 

[WesternMD]

Dylan, where are you?

 

[scorekeeper]

It would be helpful if local news showed pictures of the missing from the area. In my area of Ohio they are always showing pictures of the 10 most wanted criminals.

I also think local newspapers should post pictures of those missing from the area.

JMO

 

[AnotherSetOfEyes]

hoping to hear that the searches will start again soon.

I think the starting point should be Mark's house and out from there.

Too bad you can only hit the Thank you once! Boy would I love to see a redo of that search.

 

[cluciano63]

I am also fearful of the lake search, not only in case Dylan is found, but if he, or nothing, is found. Then what?

 

[AnotherSetOfEyes]

I am also fearful of the lake search, not only in case Dylan is found, but if he, or nothing, is found. Then what?

I don't think he is in the lake. Most people do though, so I'm probably wrong. It has fascinated me to see things people have said on this and other threads be spot on.

I do think there is a high likelihood that his fishing pole is in the lake and maybe his backpack.

 

[cluciano63]

I don't think he is in the lake. Most people do though, so I'm probably wrong. It has fascinated me to see things people have said on this and other threads be spot on.

I do think there is a high likelihood that his fishing pole is in the lake and maybe his backpack.

I don't believe his belongings will be found, if he is not in the lake. If he is there, I think it was meant to look like he had an accident.

 

[Redhead72]

This is going to sound foolish. But I wish when investigators feel they have exhausted every avenue, there was a system in place to call in a team of laypersons to pour over what LE has. LE, rightfully, is a fact finding body. They act on hard facts. Lay people sometimes go on gut feelings, and knowledge based on their life's career which might make something stand out that wouldn't stand out for LE. People would have to be vetted and sign some kind of non-disclosure. If they had such a thing, I would be at the front of the line to volunteer.

I think that would be a tremendously good idea. I would definitely want to be a part of something like that if it existed officially. Some sort of a Community volunteer "dead-lead" case review group.

 

[Redhead72]

I don't think he is in the lake. Most people do though, so I'm probably wrong. It has fascinated me to see things people have said on this and other threads be spot on.

I do think there is a high likelihood that his fishing pole is in the lake and maybe his backpack.

The only thing I'm sure of at this point is that if he is not in the lake I don't know where to begin searching for him, or his belongings at this point. If he's not in the lake my eyes would turn to MR for a confession, or knowing we won't likely find him. If he is found eventually it's likely to be by a hunter, hiker, vacationer, etc... I would expect he would be perhaps buried somewhere.

But, I still lean towards the lake - unless it's a cruel plan to make everyone look there by MR himself.

Of course, all of this is completely 100% MOO! :cow: :cow: :cow:
Needed a herd of cows on this comment...

 

[SCHMAE]

Mountains aren't DEEP (as you said) ... they are TALL. lol.

For instance ... Dallas, TX is 430 feet above sea level. That's a "flat lander" to me. COME here to above 7,900 (where I live in NM) and we'll talk and see what happens. JMO

Well it won't be a very long talk Ransom, because I'm highly sensitive to altitude so this flat lander will be a flat liner for most of our conversation

 

[The Cheese]

Bayfield's bring it to the table: The Dylan Redwine episode139
Published on Apr 14, 2013

twoguysfourhands and stick to it outdoors presents Bayfield's bring it to table.The search for Dylan is ongoing. His family, the community and the many volunteers are dedicated to bringing him home. We are doing whatever it takes to make that happen.


Denise Hess talks about Dylan's case. She says the biggest thing they're working on is the awareness, mostly through social media.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sagYtiXLnQ4"]Bayfield's bring it to the table: The Dylan Redwine episode139 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Tulessa]

The specialists who’ve been contacted use 180-degree sonar on a cable that can be dropped into the water as long as necessary.

If the sonar detects something, a remotely operated underwater vehicle will be used for additional investigation. An ROV is operated remotely by a person on a boat. They are commonly used by deepwater industries.

The areas of the lake that will be searched include the deepest spots along the dam and along the eastern shoreline, Hess said.


Read more: http://www.gazette.com/articles/thaw-153174-redwine-dylan.html#ixzz2QT329iM8

Agree, and here's what bothers me. If they can find the giant squid, thousands of feet deep in dark, dark ocean depths, which used to be considered a mythical creature. Why can't they find Dylan, if indeed, he is at the bottom of the lake???

 

[Lordeebee]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1211/28/ng.01.html

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Dylan`s family says investigators were brought to the dam after one of Dylan`s fishing poles was discovered there. Dylan`s brother Cory was among the many who watched as a dive team from New Mexico searched the dog spotted areas in the lake

http://www.pinerivertimes.com/news.asp?artid=1095
A few days ago, there was a part of a fishing pole found on the Vallecito dam and investigators have determined that it has no connection with Dylan. The owner of that broken fishing pole has been contacted and the fishing pole has been ruled out as a potential clue.

 

[The Cheese]

It's strange (to me) that D Hess says the biggest thing they're working on is awareness through social media, and doesn't say a thing about the lake search.

I thought the lake search was the biggest thing they're working on. They go for days now without posting anything on FMDR so I don't understand how awareness through social media is the biggest thing they're working on.

Maybe there will be another post on FMDR soon to clarify things.

 

[Ghostwheel]

It's strange (to me) that D Hess says the biggest thing they're working on is awareness through social media, and doesn't say a thing about the lake search.

I thought the lake search was the biggest thing they're working on. They go for days now without posting anything on FMDR so I don't understand how awareness through social media is the biggest thing they're working on.

Maybe there will be another post on FMDR soon to clarify things.

My thought is that the lake search is a done deal. It's going to happen, so until it CAN happen, what else can be done? For them, should remains/a backpack be found somewhere or on the off chance that Dylan was abducted by a stranger, awareness is the key. How else would complete strangers have recognized Shasta Groene? How else would someone know to report a backpack on the side of the road?This make sense to me, anyway.

 

[The Cheese]

My thought is that the lake search is a done deal. It's going to happen, so until it CAN happen, what else can be done? For them, should remains/a backpack be found somewhere or on the off chance that Dylan was abducted by a stranger, awareness is the key. How else would complete strangers have recognized Shasta Groene? How else would someone know to report a backpack on the side of the road?This make sense to me, anyway.

Oh I agree that awareness is key - it is in every case like this one. I'm a strong advocate of getting these kids pictures out.

There just hasn't been much in the way of awareness efforts for some time - it's been all about the lake search. So it just is strange to me that it was stated that awareness is their big effort, and nothing mentioned about the lake.

:cow:

 

[Lordeebee]

Agreed that it is frustrating not to have any more news of the search, but they have already stated that it can't be until mid-May so what else can they say?

 

[Crosby87]

<modsnip>
If MR left his house during the night, who&#8217;d know?

Tmk, there is nothing in Dylan&#8217;s texts Sunday evening that say Dylan and his friends planned to go fishing Monday morning and Elaine said Dylan wasn&#8217;t a walker and he didn&#8217;t particularly like fishing. Tmk, Mark didn&#8217;t say Dylan talked with him about going fishing Sunday evening and because his mother said Dylan prepared ahead for the next day&#8217;s events, imo Dylan would have discussed his plans to go fishing with his father &#8220;under normal conditions&#8221;. According to MR, he and Dylan talked about getting Dylan to his friends place and the plans Dylan made fell through not once but twice.

IMO, the discussion MR had with Dylan Sunday evening was about custody because his version of events don&#8217;t make sense. Did Mark say he discussed the custody issue with Dylan and I missed it? Is it realistic to think Mark and Dylan never discussed custody when he visited his dad by himself in September and November?

I find it interesting that Mark arranged a visit with his son just before he permanently lost custody of Dylan and he kept his visit with Dylan in November too when he's never visited Dylan consistently over the past few years. Elaine moved Dylan to CS in July 2012when Mark still had custody of Dylan and the court hearing that decided who would have permanent, primary custody of Dylan took place at the end of September.
Did Mark insinuate Elaine may be responsible for Dylan&#8217;s disappearance because she moved him and caused him to loose custody of Dylan permanently? If I can&#8217;t have him, you certainly won&#8217;t.

Coincidently, Dylan&#8217;s visit in September took place when most schools reopen so Mark might have requested this visit to convince Dylan to stay in Durango with him and attend school there. Imo Mark didn't allow Dylan to leave Durango after he lost joint custody of Dylan and MR had plenty of time to create an alibi, plant evidence at the lake, and dispose of Dylan&#8217;s backpack and cell phone. The last time Dylan contacted his friend was Sunday evening and I wonder who sent the last few texts from Dylan&#8217;s phone because Dylan was serious about meeting Ryan so why wouldn&#8217;t he get up and go? Dylan was excited about seeing his friends and his mother said he depended on Mark to drive him.

MOO

 

[Lordeebee]

<modsnip>
If MR left his house during the night, who’d know?

Tmk, there is nothing in Dylan’s texts Sunday evening that say Dylan and his friends planned to go fishing Monday morning and Elaine said Dylan wasn’t a walker and he didn’t particularly like fishing. Tmk, Mark didn’t say Dylan talked with him about going fishing Sunday evening and because his mother said Dylan prepared ahead for the next day’s events, imo Dylan would have discussed his plans to go fishing with his father “under normal conditions”. According to MR, he and Dylan talked about getting Dylan to his friends place and the plans Dylan made fell through not once but twice.

IMO, the discussion MR had with Dylan Sunday evening was about custody because his version of events don’t make sense. Did Mark say he discussed the custody issue with Dylan and I missed it? Is it realistic to think Mark and Dylan never discussed custody when he visited his dad by himself in September and November?

I find it interesting that Mark arranged a visit with his son just before he permanently lost custody of Dylan and he kept his visit with Dylan in November too when he's never visited Dylan consistently over the past few years. Elaine moved Dylan to CS in July 2012when Mark still had custody of Dylan and the court hearing that decided who would have permanent, primary custody of Dylan took place at the end of September.
Did Mark insinuate Elaine may be responsible for Dylan’s disappearance because she moved him and caused him to loose custody of Dylan permanently? If I can’t have him, you certainly won’t.

Coincidently, Dylan’s visit in September took place when most schools reopen so Mark might have requested this visit to convince Dylan to stay in Durango with him and attend school there. Imo Mark didn't allow Dylan to leave Durango after he lost joint custody of Dylan and MR had plenty of time to create an alibi, plant evidence at the lake, and dispose of Dylan’s backpack and cell phone. The last time Dylan contacted his friend was Sunday evening and I wonder who sent the last few texts from Dylan’s phone because Dylan was serious about meeting Ryan so why wouldn’t he get up and go? Dylan was excited about seeing his friends and his mother said he depended on Mark to drive him.

MOO

I agree that Dylan and Mark most likely talked about and very possibly argued about custodial issues, perhaps about where he preferred to live and his private meeting with the judge. There are other issues that have come to light that might also have spurred heated argument, that we are not allowed to discuss here.

Would really appreciate your elaborating on the bolded portion above. What specific portion of the texts do you think might not have actually been by Dylan? If you think they might not have been from Dylan, then why would someone else be so adamant - like you better be there to let me in (paraphrasing)? Just curious, thanks!

 

[Ransom]

Upthread it was stated that the owner of the fishing pole, was found and it was NOT DR's. No I don't have the link but I have been here for all #49 and I can assure you had it been DR's there would have been a lot lot more interest by LE in the lake. Come on some of you guys that have been here since the first help me out. MOO

http://www.pinerivertimes.com/news.asp?artid=1095

A few days ago, there was a part of a fishing pole found on the Vallecito dam and investigators have determined that it has no connection with Dylan. The owner of that broken fishing pole has been contacted and the fishing pole has been ruled out as a potential clue.