CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #49

[rosesfromangels]

There's a video and photos of the search with this news article. ETA. The depth of the water can more clearly be seen in the video. The coffer is fully set up, and there's a man standing at the far end. The water comes up almost to his thighs.

Dan Bender, spokesman for the La Plata County Sheriff's Office, said search teams returned to the reservoir earlier this week and that cadaver dogs picked up on a scent. While cadaver dogs have picked up scents in that area many times during this search, no evidence of Dylan has been found.

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Sky News 13 flew over the search site Wednesday and spotted divers in small 20-by-10-foot area that was sectioned off by a cofferdam. The area was being pumped so that searchers could get a better look.

Other searchers were digging nearby in the sand

http://www.krqe.com/dpp/news/search-for-dylan-redwine-shifts-to-lake

I believe the dogs.

 

[The Cheese]

Tom Merolla ‏@TomM_CBS4 37s

Mark Redwine has always said he had nothing to do with Dylan's disappearance. But this new twist isn't helping his cred. #DylanRedwine

Following new developments in the search for #DylanRedwine. It seems Dylan's dad has fallen off the radar since Dr. Phil.

 

[cluciano63]

Tom Merolla ‏@TomM_CBS4 37s

Mark Redwine has always said he had nothing to do with Dylan's disappearance. But this new twist isn't helping his cred. #DylanRedwine

Following new developments in the search for #DylanRedwine. It seems Dylan's dad has fallen off the radar since Dr. Phil.

What is the "new twist"?

 

[TheDuchess]

Jordyn Dahl ‏@Jordyn_Dahl 3h Durango Herald

Investigators will be back at Vallecito Reservoir tmrw to clean up sandbags and black tarps used for dam in search for #DylanRedwine clues

So, in other words, no findings in the search and are just going back to clean up? I certainly hope they keep searching that lake!!!

 

[azgrandma]

I agree that the amber alert criteria is strict. West Virginia is in the process of changing the criteria for alerts after the disappearance (and then discovery of her murdered body) of Sklyar Neese. It's my understanding that other states are looking at enacting similar legislation. A missing child is endangered, no matter and the folly of LE acting slowly in cases labeled as "runaways" has led to ineffective and sometimes disastrous delays in efforts at finding a missing child. I now know that no amber alert was issued for Dylan...but there should have been. Assistance was requested by LE and the family to help find Dylan.

I posted something about legislation on Skylar, I hope it gets passed and becomes law, it was absurd. MOO
What would they have used for an Amber Alert? All they had was a description of Dylan and possible clothing. No direction of travel, no suspect, no vehicle. IMO they could only do what they did, put out articles saying he was missing. On the legal side, I do think that they could have (from what we know publicly) treated it differently. A runaway is still an endangered child IMO.

 

[The Cheese]

What is the "new twist"?

His first post says "new developments" and I think he's referring to the search, so I take the "new twist" as referring to the search.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

I posted something about legislation on Skylar, I hope it gets passed and becomes law, it was absurd. MOO
What would they have used for an Amber Alert? All they had was a description of Dylan and possible clothing. No direction of travel, no suspect, no vehicle. IMO they could only do what they did, put out articles saying he was missing. On the legal side, I do think that they could have (from what we know publicly) treated it differently. A runaway is still an endangered child IMO.

I'm confused. Are you making a case for an amber alert to NOT be issued for a child like Dylan where there isn't a vehicle or an abductor tied to the case? Because that is exactly what Skylar's Law will allow, an amber alert without the strict criteria. I understand the criteria as it stands now, in Colorado, but I think every state could benefit from changes like those pending in WVA because of Skylar.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

His first post says "new developments" and I think he's referring to the search, so I take the "new twist" as referring to the search.

If that's true, then he's tweeting his opinion and not facts. It's exhausting weeding through and determining the difference.

 

[mixologist74]

If that's true, then he's tweeting his opinion and not facts. It's exhausting weeding through and determining the difference.

This is the reason I don't trust media, MSM, or otherwise.

 

[Emma Ems]

I'm confused. Are you making a case for an amber alert to NOT be issued for a child like Dylan where there isn't a vehicle or an abductor tied to the case? Because that is exactly what Skylar's Law will allow, an amber alert without the strict criteria. I understand the criteria as it stands now, in Colorado, but I think every state could benefit from changes like those pending in WVA because of Skylar.

I think a picture of the child who is missing is a good enough description. I thought there were a few cases in which Amber Alerts were issued for kids who were missing where there wasn't a description of the abductor or vehicle. Does anyone recall any, because I really do think I have seen some, just can't remember which ones off the top of my head. Jessica Lunsford maybe?

 

[azgrandma]

I'm confused. Are you making a case for an amber alert to NOT be issued for a child like Dylan where there isn't a vehicle or an abductor tied to the case? Because that is exactly what Skylar's Law will allow, an amber alert without the strict criteria. I understand the criteria as it stands now, in Colorado, but I think every state could benefit from changes like those pending in WVA because of Skylar.

No I'm not making a case for an Amber Alert to NOT be issued. It was my understanding (which I'll have to go back and look) that the biggest part of Skylar's Law was in regards to how LE treated investigations when children were reported missing. Rather than assuming that all teens are runaways, which is absolutely wrong IMO.
I'm just wondering what they (meaning LE, family, media) could have or should have done differently when all they have is very minimal information. What alternate method could be used? I'm not talking investigative methods, I'm wondering about alert methods and getting information out to the public. What could they have done different?

 

[Bayou Mistress]

No I'm not making a case for an Amber Alert to NOT be issued. It was my understanding (which I'll have to go back and look) that the biggest part of Skylar's Law was in regards to how LE treated investigations when children were reported missing. Rather than assuming that all teens are runaways, which is absolutely wrong IMO.
I'm just wondering what they (meaning LE, family, media) could have or should have done differently when all they have is very minimal information. What alternate method could be used? I'm not talking investigative methods, I'm wondering about alert methods and getting information out to the public. What could they have done different?

Oh, okay, now I understand a bit better. I'm not one to be critical of LE generally and I'm not particularly so in Dylan's case. I don't have any suggestions for them at this point, although I may have in the future. :skip::skip:

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I think a picture of the child who is missing is a good enough description. I thought there were a few cases in which Amber Alerts were issued for kids who were missing where there wasn't a description of the abductor or vehicle. Does anyone recall any, because I really do think I have seen some, just can't remember which ones off the top of my head. Jessica Lunsford maybe?

Lisa Irwin had an Amber alert issued for her without a vehicle or suspect description available.

Police cancelled the Amber Alert Tuesday night on what they call a technicality. Authorities say Amber Alerts are most useful in the hours following a disappearance when a suspect may be attempting to flee with or harm a child. It is a way of immediately alerting the public to increase vigilance.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-mi...al-plea-return/story?id=14670008#.UXiXf8pLnqU

 

[ColdHands]

No I'm not making a case for an Amber Alert to NOT be issued. It was my understanding (which I'll have to go back and look) that the biggest part of Skylar's Law was in regards to how LE treated investigations when children were reported missing. Rather than assuming that all teens are runaways, which is absolutely wrong IMO.
I'm just wondering what they (meaning LE, family, media) could have or should have done differently when all they have is very minimal information. What alternate method could be used? I'm not talking investigative methods, I'm wondering about alert methods and getting information out to the public. What could they have done different?

Reverse 911 (there was a rumor but I've searched the Durango Herald and they certainly never mentioned it)
Twitter - @LPC_OEM is their office of emergency management, puts out all sorts of weather and fire alerts so they must think someone is paying attention
Crawler across the bottom of the local tv channels

I just don't understand why something like Amber Alert would be looked at as a leash. Why prevent sending out alerts? It should mandate that in specific circumstances you MUST send out an alert, but not tie local LE's hands from putting out an alert just because it's not a perfect situation. Call it something different if Amber Alert is that stringent. Common sense - there is one road in, one road out of that lake area, only a few major highways in the region. IMO everyone in that region should have (and may have, I wasn't there so I don't know) been alerted within a very short time period after the official missing child report was taken.

Small rant at bureaucracy in all forms everywhere All MOO. :moo:

 

[Emma Ems]

Lisa Irwin had an Amber alert issued for her without a vehicle or suspect description available.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-mi...al-plea-return/story?id=14670008#.UXiXf8pLnqU

Jessica Lunsford and Lisa Irwin, I haven't found any others yet. I just recently watched a show on JL's case, so I don't think they really have to have a suspect description. I guess it has to be believed the child was abducted. I did find a few sites where there were firm runaways don't get one. Though I think they should get one as I don't think kids that runaway are fully aware of the dangers lurking out there.

 

[rebeccaeee]

I agree with you, it's very sad that we can't really say - no news is good news. Your comment, withthe reality of it and potential of where this can go, along with the video or the search has pretty much broken my heart for the day.

Hugs. Lots of hugs. No part of this is easy....

 

[Emma Ems]

Reverse 911 (there was a rumor but I've searched the Durango Herald and they certainly never mentioned it)
Twitter - @LPC_OEM is their office of emergency management, puts out all sorts of weather and fire alerts so they must think someone is paying attention
Crawler across the bottom of the local tv channels

I just don't understand why something like Amber Alert would be looked at as a leash. Why prevent sending out alerts? It should mandate that in specific circumstances you MUST send out an alert, but not tie local LE's hands from putting out an alert just because it's not a perfect situation. Call it something different if Amber Alert is that stringent. Common sense - there is one road in, one road out of that lake area, only a few major highways in the region. IMO everyone in that region should have (and may have, I wasn't there so I don't know) been alerted within a very short time period after the official missing child report was taken.

Small rant at bureaucracy in all forms everywhere All MOO. :moo:

Oh, I can answer the common excuse I came across while I was trying to search for alerts issued without a known suspect or vehicle description. The excuse most commonly used was to not wear out the system to where it's no longer effective. I guess they think if you used the alert EVERY single time someone was missing people would stop paying attention to them or taking them seriously????

This is how I feel. A lot of kids "suspected" of running away, it's not really clear if they did or not. As in there isn't a note left behind stating that's what they did. Yet a lot of times that's the first conclusion LE sometimes jumps to. Especially with kids of a certain age. Now you have things like sex trafficking that is on the rise, so I think it's a bit outdated to automatically assume kids between the ages of what 11-17 may have runaway.

 

[scorekeeper]

I don't have a link, but I'm pretty sure LaPlata Co. SO did do the reverse 911 call to the area....I think it was posted also on the official FB page

 

[cluciano63]

Amber Alerts were basically meant to find suspect vehicles, with flashing highway signs, originally. Without a vehicle description, the highway signs are not much use. I guess they should just have a general missing child alert for TV and internet. Without knowing a type of car, the highway signs are not really going to be of any use. Or the Amber Alert needs to be rewritten altogether, so as to not have any requirements other than endangered missing. But then, we might be flooded with them.

 

[azgrandma]

Amber Alerts were basically meant to find suspect vehicles, with flashing highway signs, originally. Without a vehicle description, the highway signs are not much use. I guess they should just have a general missing child alert for TV and internet. Without knowing a type of car, the highway signs are not really going to be of any use. Or the Amber Alert needs to be rewritten altogether, so as to not have any requirements other than endangered missing. But then, we might be flooded with them.

It would be great if the tv stations would do an alert when a child is missing. I wonder if that would cause people to get too use to them and ignore them. I can tell you, I'd much rather hear a breaking news story about a missing child than hear that Lindsey Lohan is in jail - again, but not really, maybe, she might be, etc. OT when did the news become the Enquirer? MOO