CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #49

[Seajay]

Yes, and judging by the crime news in the "Pine River Times", Dylan's disappearance and this arrest on child are the most interesting things besides graffiti/vandalism. I think it's natural to connect the two and nearly anyone there or far away would wonder about the connection.

I agree, they need to know his whereabouts now on the day Dylan disappeared. This sheds a whole new light on this case. IMO

 

[mixologist74]

That's good to know. Because they were silent, it didn't mean they weren't working on the case. I do hope if they included Sutter in any of the investigating, they backtrack and double check his work now.

Yes, me too. You'd think they'd go back over his cases to make sure everything was on the up and up. JMO.

 

[Seajay]

Yes, me too. You'd think they'd go back over his cases to make sure everything was on the up and up. JMO.

Especially now. With anything that has to do with children or boys. How effective would he be if he's trying to either cover something up or he doesn't feel he can do his best because of his um strange addiction??? It's like the fox watching the hen house. IMO

 

[The Cheese]

So, how far is this from the dam, and from MR's home? I just want a rough guesstimate as far as travel time.

Please don't make me calculate it lol. The dam is all the way on the south end of the lake. The Middle Mountain campground is just above the middle of the lake on the eastern shore. MR's home is north of the lake a ways.

I can't remember MR's house number or I'd calculate it exactly. T's house is 6 miles from MR's house but I can't remember if T's house is on the western or eastern side of the lake. If T is on the west, then this would be more than 6 miles.

 

[NC Analyzer]

Exactly, I'm sure that we are not the only ones that first thought :waitasec: and since the men & women involved have years of experience in LE, it would seem only natural that they would investigate properly and thoroughly. IMO the two are not related other than location. I just can't see LPSO allowing the public to think that they arrested a man for child when they actually suspected him of disappearing Dylan, certainly IF they had any evidence that connected him to Dylan the bond would have been higher. I also believe that LPSO does not need to publicly clear someone of a crime when a connection hasn't been made.

BBM: Absolutely agree; a much higher bond would have been set and it is unlikely this dude would have been in the revolving door of the court system. (He was released the same day he appeared for the charges against him).

I looked into a few things just to clarify:
"Although there are judicial district guidelines for setting bail, the court has the discretion to set the amount of bail and type of bond on a case-by-case basis after considering criteria set forth in law."
http://colorado-domestic-violence-l...law-and-cases/colorado-bail-bonding-laws.html

In other words, the judge has the discretion to set the bond at any amount he deems fit. And as we all know, those "private discussions" in chambers usually take place with pre-trial release recommendations.
There is no way this guy is connected to Dylan's case.

 

[The Cheese]

Investigators are taking advantage of warmer temperatures today to search the Vallecito Reservoir shoreline for new clues in the disappearance of Dylan Redwine, the teenage boy who went missing last November.

Law enforcement officials have no new tips or discoveries in the case; rather, they are rechecking areas where search dogs picked up a scent late last year, said Dan Bender, spokesman for the La Plata County Sheriff’s Office.

Investigators were walking parts of the shoreline, he said. No boats or dogs are being used in today’s search, Bender said.

http://durangoherald.com/article/20...Warming-temperatures-rekindle-Redwine-search-

 

[Seajay]

Interesting data on the link between Child and Sex Abuse
76% of individuals who were arrested for Internet child had molested a child. More at link-

Relationship between child and child sexual abuse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now molestation is not kidnapping or murder, but it seems that child does lead to progression.

76% is high. And considering that there isn't a cure for this, that's pretty scary that only 24% will not progress in their desires. KWIM???

 

[Seajay]

Investigators are taking advantage of warmer temperatures today to search the Vallecito Reservoir shoreline for new clues in the disappearance of Dylan Redwine, the teenage boy who went missing last November.

Law enforcement officials have no new tips or discoveries in the case; rather, they are rechecking areas where search dogs picked up a scent late last year, said Dan Bender, spokesman for the La Plata County Sheriff’s Office.

Investigators were walking parts of the shoreline, he said. No boats or dogs are being used in today’s search, Bender said.

http://durangoherald.com/article/20...Warming-temperatures-rekindle-Redwine-search-

I think in order to do a thorough search, they need to get some boats and dogs out there so the lake can be ruled out once and for all, then they can go look for where Dylan really is, if he's not in the lake. KWIM??? Glad they are using the good weather to make progress in the case though.

 

[mixologist74]

Please don't make me calculate it lol. The dam is all the way on the south end of the lake. The Middle Mountain campground is just above the middle of the lake on the eastern shore. MR's home is north of the lake a ways.

I can't remember MR's house number or I'd calculate it exactly. T's house is 6 miles from MR's house but I can't remember if T's house is on the western or eastern side of the lake. If T is on the west, then this would be more than 6 miles.

Thanks...this helps.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

BBM: Absolutely agree; a much higher bond would have been set and it is unlikely this dude would have been in the revolving door of the court system. (He was released the same day he appeared for the charges against him).

I looked into a few things just to clarify:
"Although there are judicial district guidelines for setting bail, the court has the discretion to set the amount of bail and type of bond on a case-by-case basis after considering criteria set forth in law."
http://colorado-domestic-violence-l...law-and-cases/colorado-bail-bonding-laws.html

In other words, the judge has the discretion to set the bond at any amount he deems fit. And as we all know, those "private discussions" in chambers usually take place with pre-trial release recommendations.
There is no way this guy is connected to Dylan's case.

Well now, what you quoted conflicts with this quote from the same source. "Bond Requirements and Schedule of Bonds

(1) The amount of bond set opposite the specified criminal offense in the Schedule of Bonds in this order shall be the bail for the offense or offenses charged unless otherwise ordered by a judge or magistrate, or unless prohibited by section (e) of this order." (e) “No driving without a license” will not be used as a bond condition.

I take this to mean that the bond MUST be commensurate with the crime CHARGED. And while there is discretion, a higher bond can not exceed the highest crime charged. So, a case for discretion would be to LOWER the bond amount, not to raise it based on criminal history and other factors that would put an accused deputy in a positive light.

 

[mixologist74]

Well now, what you quoted conflicts with this quote from the same source. "Bond Requirements and Schedule of Bonds

(1) The amount of bond set opposite the specified criminal offense in the Schedule of Bonds in this order shall be the bail for the offense or offenses charged unless otherwise ordered by a judge or magistrate, or unless prohibited by section (e) of this order." (e) “No driving without a license” will not be used as a bond condition.

I take this to mean that the bond MUST be commensurate with the crime CHARGED. And while there is discretion, a higher bond can not exceed the highest crime charged. So, a case for discretion would be to LOWER the bond amount, not to raise it based on criminal history and other factors that would put an accused deputy in a positive light.

This is what I stated above. <modsnip>

 

[catswhiskers]

IMO some may consider viewing child as a victimless crime. They forget that those children are almost certainly coerced or forced into participation. This is certainly not a lesser crime, and IMO is even more serious and concerning when committed by a LE representative who would have surely been trained to be on the lookout for child predators. That alone is a huge concern - fox guarding the henhouse indeed.
:moo:

 

[mixologist74]

Does anyone else find it odd that this LE search coincides with Sutter being charged?

 

[cluciano63]

I don't want to hope for a connection. If this guy is involved, I doubt there is any chance at all Dylan is alive.

 

[NC Analyzer]

Well now, what you quoted conflicts with this quote from the same source. "Bond Requirements and Schedule of Bonds

(1) The amount of bond set opposite the specified criminal offense in the Schedule of Bonds in this order shall be the bail for the offense or offenses charged unless otherwise ordered by a judge or magistrate, or unless prohibited by section (e) of this order." (e) &#8220;No driving without a license&#8221; will not be used as a bond condition.

I take this to mean that the bond MUST be commensurate with the crime CHARGED. And while there is discretion, a higher bond can not exceed the highest crime charged. So, a case for discretion would be to LOWER the bond amount, not to raise it based on criminal history and other factors that would put an accused deputy in a positive light.

This is what I stated above.<modsnip>.

Well, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree because I know for a fact that judges can set discretionary bond amounts in CRIMINAL cases. :seeya:

ETA: Please note, BBM, above. That is pretty clear about judicial discretion!

 

[mixologist74]

I don't want to hope for a connection. If this guy is involved, I doubt there is any chance at all Dylan is alive.

I don't want to hope for one either, I just find it odd that both reports come out the same day, and wonder if there's something to it.

 

[NC Analyzer]

I don't want to hope for a connection. If this guy is involved, I doubt there is any chance at all Dylan is alive.

It does rather sound that way, doesn't it? Seems if there is any hope for Dylan, even a tiny sliver, it should be focusing directly on MR. Of course, I haven't seen anything to indicate LE is focused anywhere else. These lake searches sound like they are doing exactly that...trying to locate a "missing" Dylan in the water where the dogs alerted last winter. I also noticed they are still trying to wrap up any loose ends by knocking on doors and trying to find out more information about Dylan and MR's possible "interactions". Nope. Not a doubt in my mind who they are looking at.

 

[rebeccaeee]

Does anyone else find it odd that this LE search coincides with Sutter being charged?

No- the LE search comes only a week after ice has completely disappeared from the lake AND at a time when the water level is at its lowest before spring runoff. I believe that has more to do with the timing of this search than any investigation of Sutter.

 

[rebeccaeee]

Please don't make me calculate it lol. The dam is all the way on the south end of the lake. The Middle Mountain campground is just above the middle of the lake on the eastern shore. MR's home is north of the lake a ways.

I can't remember MR's house number or I'd calculate it exactly. T's house is 6 miles from MR's house but I can't remember if T's house is on the western or eastern side of the lake. If T is on the west, then this would be more than 6 miles.

T is on the west side, close to the marina. The campground LE is searching is on the east side, almost directly opposite. If T is 5.9 miles down from Mark's house, the campground is more than that since it would be on the opposite side of the lake.

 

[mixologist74]

No- the LE search comes only a week after ice has completely disappeared from the lake AND at a time when the water level is at its lowest before spring runoff. I believe that has more to do with the timing of this search than any investigation of Sutter.

What about Bender's statement that there would be no more searches at the lake unless they had other tips/evidence? The timing of Sutter being charged and the lake now being searched sure is coincidental to me.