CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #49

[azgrandma]

Wasn't it you that was mentioning multiple sources in your example about a body being in the N, the S, the E and the W ends of the lake and where the scent would be?

I am REALLY hoping your quote Emma is up here when I go to hit "submit reply" :floorlaugh:

 

[ICUDOUCME]

All I am saying is that there are people out there that you may not think to wonder about that could be in this lake...Good night. I am not trying to connect the cases, I was just saying, who knows this man could be what they are hitting on. I was just stating that until they find whomever might or might not be in this lake I can still have faith and hope. Don't over analyze me to death please.

 

[Emma Ems]

Wasn't it you that was mentioning multiple sources in your example about a body being in the N, the S, the E and the W ends of the lake and where the scent would be?

I am REALLY hoping your quote Emma is up here when I go to hit "submit reply" :floorlaugh:

It was brought up last night, and I brought it up again today. Last night it was not brought up by me.

 

[azgrandma]

I had to delete my last comment, I thought the article was dated today for some odd reason, and I didn't know where Farmington was since it was the Durango Herald I thought it may have been close by.

well thanks for adding to my crazy today with disappearing quotes. :floorlaugh: :facepalm:

 

[Redhead72]

This "disappearance" was over a year ago and it appears to have some gang related ties. Last time I checked, it isn't typical gang behavior to dispose of bodies in lakes an hour away from last known location. Likely drugs were involved and this guy was taken for "other" reasons. He will probably turn up full of bullet holes...if he turns up at all, which I sincerely doubt.
http://www.abqjournal.com/main/2012...ated-missing-mans-dead-friend-a-fugitive.html

I wonder if this is one of the unsolved homicides from AZGrandma's post earlier today, or if it is classified as a Farmington, NM homicide?

I would agree with your assessment of likely drug and/or gang related. I mean how much more obvious can you get with a tattoo of "Meth is my destiny"?

Quote from the first article on the page you linked:

DeCoteau [the friend of the missing man found dead by being shot in the back close to where his car was found - RH72] has a lengthy criminal history and was wanted the Washington Department of Corrections for failing to report in as required by the conditions of his release, The Daily Times said.

He has been classified as a high violent offender and was known to carry guns and use drugs, according to the paper.

A spokeswoman for the Washington Department of Corrections told The Daily Times by phone Tuesday that DeCoteau was a “chronic absconder” and had been in an out of prison since at least 2001.

His convictions included three counts of assault, two counts of drug possession and criminal gang intimidation, and he has been arrested for riots, assaults, possession of stolen property, weapons violations, theft and auto burglary, The Daily Times said.

 

[NC Analyzer]

"The FBI launched the Highway Serial Killings Initiative to track suspicious slayings and suspect truckers."

"A computer database maintained by the FBI has grown to include information on more than 500 female crime victims..."

"Authorities said they do not have statistics on whether driving trucks ranks high on the list of occupations of known serial killers."

"But the pattern in roadside body dumps and other evidence has prompted many investigators to speculate that the mobility, lack of supervision and access to potential victims that come with the job make it a good cover for someone inclined to kill."

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/apr/05/local/me-serialkillers5

Hmmm....interesting. A truck driver who lives in a very rural area with lake, forest and mountain burial grounds might fit into their pattern of investigation. I have to wonder just how many bodies could those dogs possibly be alerting on? It does seem to open up a whole new line of speculation!

 

[ICUDOUCME]

I wonder if this is one of the unsolved homicides from AZGrandma's post earlier today, or if it is classified as a Farmington, NM homicide?

I would agree with your assessment of likely drug and/or gang related. I mean how much more obvious can you get with a tattoo of "Meth is my destiny"?

Quote from the first article on the page you linked:

The funny thing is that this man isn't listed as missing out of the Farmington NM area. So strange to me.

 

[Emma Ems]

"Like all search dogs, cadaver dogs go through extensive training before they can become certified and operational. Cadaver dogs are first trained to recognize a wide spectrum of odors associated with human remains, depending on their specific use. Cadaver dogs for use in a disaster situation focus on more recent decomposition odors, while cadaver dogs that work with law enforcement are also trained to recognize older decomposition odors and smaller odor sources. Only actual human remains are used to train the dogs, no pseudo scent is used in the training process. All K-9s are first taught to give a trained final response or indication upon detection of the odor. They are taught to only give this response when they locate the strongest source of the odor. A large amount of time is spent on making sure that the indication is solid before the K-9 is ever taught to actually search for the odor in a scenario-based problem. Cadaver dogs that are trained in water recovery are taught to give this final indication while working from a boat on a body of water." -from http://www.illinoissearchdogs.org/capabilities/cadaver_dogs.shtml

So, if the dogs only alert at the "strongest" source of the odor, why are they alerting all over the place on the reservoir. This suggests a couple of things to me. Someone (I think Emma) mentioned the reservoir being constructed on native american burial grounds possibly OR the source of the scent is from a number of sources OR the single source of the the odor is in pieces. If it's the later, then somewhere there is a messy crime scene.

Bringing this up for you, in case you missed it. I couldn't remember who originally brought it up but I think this was it.

 

[azgrandma]

ICU - I would try to quote but it's not working today. Thanks for the link and I hope you don't feel over analyzed. Until a body is pulled from the lake, it could be any body. My hope beyond all hope is that it is not Dylan. I want it to be an elk or a pig <modsnip>.

 

[Money Girl]

I remember reading that Lt. Bender mentioning that there are many homeless in the area when the dogs first hit on the lake. I don't think any of those homeless who may be deceased would be included in the database.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Is there a link for the ancient Indian burial grounds at the lake? I've never heard or read anything about this and I don't understand how there could be human remains buried under the lake that I believe was a river there before they built the dam. I've never heard of Indian's burying remains in or close to water.

 

[ICUDOUCME]

I really really want to believe that there isn't a chance in all hell that it couldn't be DR in the lake. My mind runs many many things threw it, and I just throw out what comes my way with thoughts of what could be. No they may not even be logical to some, but I really have looked at this from every single angle I can think of, and my mind goes back to the same person every time, and the same place...UGGHHH

 

[cluciano63]

OT, I followed Hailey's disappearance from the start. So sad that it took 27 months for an answer, but relieved she has been found. But it does show that five months is often no time at all in these cases. You really have to expect to be around for a very long haul.

 

[azgrandma]

I remember reading that Lt. Bender mentioning that there are many homeless in the area when the dogs first hit on the lake. I don't think any of those homeless who may be deceased would be included in the database.

LE doesn't care if you are homeless or not, if you are the victim of a crime or reported missing you are in their data base.

Now, if nobody reported them missing, then are they really missing or did they just move on?

 

[Crosby87]

For anyone following the Hailey Dunn case, the remains found in Scurry County at J.B. Thomas Lake have been positively identified as Hailey.

2013.04.26: Hailey Dunn's remains found March 18th, 2013 - Page 3 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Salem

Hailey Dunn and Dylan Redwine’s case are very similar. They were both 13 years of age when they vanished without a clue from their home in broad daylight. No evidence of a crime was found in Hailey’s mother’s house where she was last seen alive or anywhere else and now 3 years later, Hailey’s skeletal remains washed up along the shores of Lake JB Thomas. Although Hailey’s remains have been recovered, it may be impossible to determine the cause and manner of death.

LE named Hailey's mother's boyfriend Shawn Adkins as the main suspect in Hailey’s disappearance and apparently both Billie and Shawn failed polygraphs. The polygraphs were rescheduled due to being under the influence of drugs.

Obviously Hailey was moved in a vehicle but no evidence of a crime was found in Billie or Shawn’s vehicles which were searched by LE.

MOO

 

[Emma Ems]

ICU - I would try to quote but it's not working today. Thanks for the link and I hope you don't feel over analyzed. Until a body is pulled from the lake, it could be any body. My hope beyond all hope is that it is not Dylan. I want it to be an elk or a pig or a serial killing truck driver.

I would rather it be some old remains of people who died of natural causes. If it's deer or elk, then all these dogs alerting on animals will really discredit the credibility of HRD dogs and I hope it's not someone else's family down there that's been victimized by someone else. There is a reason I am sticking to old burial remains, because I don't want there to be any people suffering the loss of their loved ones. I also don't want a valuable tool of LE's discredited.

 

[Redhead72]

The following quote was part of the post Emma Ems just brought forward, originally posted by Bayou Mistress:

So, if the dogs only alert at the "strongest" source of the odor, why are they alerting all over the place on the reservoir. This suggests a couple of things to me. Someone (I think Emma) mentioned the reservoir being constructed on native american burial grounds possibly OR the source of the scent is from a number of sources OR the single source of the the odor is in pieces. If it's the later, then somewhere there is a messy crime scene.

WARNING - A little graphic...

BBM --

Or, it could just be the result of decomposition of the body, and pieces of it now being carried to different parts of the reservoir and deposited.

The "light" scent being indicated by the dam could be from a smaller portion of a body as well.

I'm still interested in finding out about the flow of water into and out of the power plant. Is there a way for a body to reach the inflow of the power plant? If there is a chance a body could find it's way anywhere near those turbines... well, that's as far as I'm going to take that thought.
(I'm going to research a little more about that power plant a bit later tonight - it would affect the temperature of the water in that part of the lake and likely speed up decomp. even over the winter...)

Someone asked earlier why there would be such strong hits on the shoreline when they can't find anything there. There is always the possibility that a deceased person was lain on the sand in that spot - before being put into a boat, before being placed into the water, etc... If this was a large body of water I would suggest tidal activity, but that's obviously not a factor in this case.

I think the most likely cause of the hits on the Eastern shore is a combination of currents and wind dispersing the scent. Thus, why they keep getting hits in that section, but cannot find the source.

But, that is MOO! And other parts of this post are all speculation. :cow:

 

[rebeccaeee]

I remember reading that Lt. Bender mentioning that there are many homeless in the area when the dogs first hit on the lake. I don't think any of those homeless who may be deceased would be included in the database.

Link please? Bender is a man of very few words and I do not recall him speaking about the homeless. Denise Hess mentioned it on FMDR, trying to float hope that the K-9 Forensic hits might belong to someone from a homeless encampment but these words were not Bender's.

 

[Emma Ems]

LE doesn't care if you are homeless or not, if you are the victim of a crime or reported missing you are in their data base.

Now, if nobody reported them missing, then are they really missing or did they just move on?

The problem with that is a lot of homeless people are not reported missing. People don't even know they are missing. I remember reading over the scanner thread and the "abandoned" campsite found, and the transient comments and thinking, "if that was a homeless person's camp, what happened to them. Surely if they were homeless they wouldn't leave behind their sleeping bag. They will need it later."

 

[The Cheese]

Is there a link for the ancient Indian burial grounds at the lake? I've never heard or read anything about this and I don't understand how there could be human remains buried under the lake that I believe was a river there before they built the dam. I've never heard of Indian's burying remains in or close to water.

I don't think anyone has stated it as a fact. It's just speculation as a possibility for what could be causing all the wide-spaced dog hits, on both the water and the land. It's about 4.5 miles from the south to the mid-east of dam. Some of us are trying to figure out what could cause hits so far apart like that.