CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #49

[aust amateur slueth]

I have not googled for links about MR and LE recently, but I have read them in the past.

With all the hate that some people seem to direct to MR, maybe he was getting prank phone calls, but I honestly have no idea. I do not know him. I do not know Elaine. I am posting my opinion only unless a link is cited. I'm sure some people think a lot of things I say are odd to them.

But if I happen to run across a new link, I will certainly post it for you.

Thank I didn't realise that it was opinion, it looked like a factual statement.

I know there were links that he was communicating with LE early on, but there don't appear to be any for the last couple of months. LE also refuted some of his claims, which is quite interesting IMO.

There has been a lot of hate directed towards Dylans Mother and Brother too.

IMO when your child is missing you would want them to be able to least leave a message if you can't answer a call. how awful if they got only one opportunity to call you and there was no answer or option for them to leave a message.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Thank I didn't realise that it was opinion, it looked like a factual statement.

I know there were links that he was communicating with LE early on, but there don't appear to be any for the last couple of months. LE also refuted some of his claims, which is quite interesting IMO.

There has been a lot of hate directed towards Dylans Mother and Brother too.

IMO when your child is missing you would want them to be able to least leave a message if you can't answer a call. how awful if they got only one opportunity to call you and there was no answer or option for them to leave a message.

Unless you know they can't call?

 

[rosesfromangels]

I've been over at Hailey Dunn's forum and I'm filled with such sadness. I am praying so hard that Dylan hasn't met the same fate. This discovery and identification really brings home that this is a life or death situation and there is no right or wrong here at WS, just people trying to find him, and going about it in different ways, looking at different angles.

We don't know what happened to Dylan, none of us do. We can think we do but in fact, we do not. I pray we get answers some day, that his family gets answers and knows what happened to him and hopefullly that he comes back alive.

We cannot lose sight that this forum is about Dylan, for Dylan, to try to bring Dylan home. Not about who is right or who is wrong. Right now, it's not even about who did it because we don't even know yet what "it" is. We need to find Dylan, period. We need to focus on Dylan. Where are you Dyl? Please help us find you. IMO

Great post Seajay. In reading todays posts, I can see how frustrated we all are and how frantic we are to find this precious little boy. I also think it terrific and important that we continue to test each others critical thinking skills with these different hypotheses. Who knows what we might come up with that could really help find this child! Here's to this common cause, and our respectful debates. God Bless Dylan, come home beautiful child!

 

[SCHMAE]

I've been over at Hailey Dunn's forum and I'm filled with such sadness. I am praying so hard that Dylan hasn't met the same fate. This discovery and identification really brings home that this is a life or death situation and there is no right or wrong here at WS, just people trying to find him, and going about it in different ways, looking at different angles.

We don't know what happened to Dylan, none of us do. We can think we do but in fact, we do not. I pray we get answers some day, that his family gets answers and knows what happened to him and hopefullly that he comes back alive.

We cannot lose sight that this forum is about Dylan, for Dylan, to try to bring Dylan home. Not about who is right or who is wrong. Right now, it's not even about who did it because we don't even know yet what "it" is. We need to find Dylan, period. We need to focus on Dylan. Where are you Dyl? Please help us find you. IMO

Thumbs up Seajay !
None of us know for sure and all we can do is guess and I want the outcome to be whichever brings home a walking, talking Dylan. I don't care how it happens and how many of my posts that voids. Be alive baby boy !

ETA ,,, my own feelings are conflicted. MR is a weird duck, no doubt, weird to the core . He doesn't look innocent at all. However I have read countless true books and seen countless true id type shows where a wandering , slick, near invisible perp happened upon a child at the very only SECOND child was alone and not a witness around. So I know this happens. Odds are low but in every case where a serial perp of some kind goes on for years and years uncaught , its' because he was in a nearly ' miraculous' set of circumstances where he had opportunity and no witnesses. I try to keep that in the back of my mind all the time. IT HAPPENS ! Also in every close knit , small community there are still freaks lurking that smile at you every day and no one is the wiser. The deputy in that area, whether or not he's related to Dylan's case, is a great example. Two months ago everyone who knew him would surely have said NO WAY is this guy involved in anything seedy or perverted. Sadly, they are everywhere now

 

[rosesfromangels]

Thumbs up Seajay !
None of us know for sure and all we can do is guess and I want the outcome to be whichever brings home a walking, talking Dylan. I don't care how it happens and how many of my posts that voids. Be alive baby boy !

ETA ,,, my own feelings are conflicted. MR is a weird duck, no doubt, weird to the core . He doesn't look innocent at all. However I have read countless true books and seen countless true id type shows where a wandering , slick, near invisible perp happened upon a child at the very only SECOND child was alone and not a witness around. So I know this happens. Odds are low but in every case where a serial perp of some kind goes on for years and years uncaught , its' because he was in a nearly ' miraculous' set of circumstances where he had opportunity and no witnesses. I try to keep that in the back of my mind all the time. IT HAPPENS ! Also in every close knit , small community there are still freaks lurking that smile at you every day and no one is the wiser. The deputy in that area, whether or not he's related to Dylan's case, is a great example. Two months ago everyone who knew him would surely have said NO WAY is this guy involved in anything seedy or perverted. Sadly, they are everywhere now

Well said! You are absolutely correct, we have to keep our minds open and analyze all possibilities, and the facts we do have. That's why our lively (respectful) debates are good. We all wear different pairs of glasses.

 

[The Cheese]

I certainly don't want to argue about this, because as I have said previously, I do not know these people personally. But, we have heard from the beginning of the information about Dylan being missing that there was a lack of phone communication for whatever reason. But, since MR is communicating with LE, maybe anyone who needs to get word to MR should contact LE. I don't think LE would consider it unreasonable if ER asked them to notify MR about the dates of the actual searches last week (which had previously been said would not happen until mid-May.) Beyond that, I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

Elaine and Mark are emailing each other. It was in the video interview with Elaine about the search a couple days ago. KRQE I think was the news station.

ETA add link. Sorry. She doesn't say they're emailing each other. She says Mark is emailing her. I can't confirm she's answering his emails.

“He is very cryptic when he emails me

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2013/04/25/redwine-search-intensifies-at-vallecito-reservoir/

 

[The Cheese]

Sarx has posted some more of her thoughts about the search in the Search thread.

 

[The Cheese]

Another post on FMDR where DH says the lake is the last known place Dylan was and that's why they have to search it.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...555396767820264.144727.555378941155380&type=1

Just linking. I know we can't discuss it. Mods please delete if I misunderstood the rules. Thank you.

 

[TxLady2]

I've been over at Hailey Dunn's forum and I'm filled with such sadness. I am praying so hard that Dylan hasn't met the same fate. This discovery and identification really brings home that this is a life or death situation and there is no right or wrong here at WS, just people trying to find him, and going about it in different ways, looking at different angles.

We don't know what happened to Dylan, none of us do. We can think we do but in fact, we do not. I pray we get answers some day, that his family gets answers and knows what happened to him and hopefullly that he comes back alive.

We cannot lose sight that this forum is about Dylan, for Dylan, to try to bring Dylan home. Not about who is right or who is wrong. Right now, it's not even about who did it because we don't even know yet what "it" is. We need to find Dylan, period. We need to focus on Dylan. Where are you Dyl? Please help us find you. IMO

Very well said, and I totally agree!
In spite of all the varying opinions on this case, it really doesn't matter who is right or wrong, all that matters is finding Dylan. That should be the focus here. He is somewhere, and he needs to be found. I personally choose not to put my focus on what any one person is or is not doing, because I'm not in their shoes and I don't know what is in their minds.
I still have hopes that he is alive, but reality dictates he is probably not. With that in mind, all I can offer is prayers for his family and to all who love him, and that some day, somehow, they can find peace in their hearts.

 

[SCHMAE]

Another post on FMDR where DH says the lake is the last known place Dylan was and that's why they have to search it.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...555396767820264.144727.555378941155380&type=1

Just linking. I know we can't discuss it. Mods please delete if I misunderstood the rules. Thank you.

That is in direct opposition to LE saying inside MR's house, so I think I'd take LE's words over . Don't you think? Or am I misunderstanding something?

 

[*Lash*]

I certainly don't want to argue about this, because as I have said previously, I do not know these people personally. But, we have heard from the beginning of the information about Dylan being missing that there was a lack of phone communication for whatever reason. But, since MR is communicating with LE, maybe anyone who needs to get word to MR should contact LE. I don't think LE would consider it unreasonable if ER asked them to notify MR about the dates of the actual searches last week (which had previously been said would not happen until mid-May.) Beyond that, I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

I understand communicating through LE is only a suggestion, but that would be really sad. A 14 year old boy is missing. A son, brother, nephew, cousin, friend and communication to let a parent know of an upcoming search for your son may have to go through LE. There has to be a someone in the family that can communicate with MR. Even his own brother and sisters?

I have a hard time understanding Mark. At first he was out speaking to media and now nothing. My suspicions have only grown stronger since in my opinion MR went underground. He has become silent since the Dr. Phil show where it became public knowledge that he did not pass his first polygraph and bailed on a second offer from a different polygraph examiner. Especially after MR alleged the polygraph given by LE had problems and then LE made it clear there was not a problem. MR had an opportunity to clear up that problem and he bailed. In my opinion for someone who has a missing son, MR's behavior is disheartening and bizarre. I can't help but wonder what Dylan would think and feel about his dads behavior.

 

[Salem]

Where is the link that MR is not answering his phone and doesn't have an answering machine? I've missed that bit of information.

Also - discussion that Dylan was last seen at the reservoir is off the table because it directly refutes what LE has said. That Dylan was last seen at MR's. It took months to get that info from LE. I wish they would be a little more forthcoming about some of this stuff.

Salem

 

[The Cheese]

Where is the link that MR is not answering his phone and doesn't have an answering machine? I've missed that bit of information.

Also - discussion that Dylan was last seen at the reservoir is off the table because it directly refutes what LE has said. That Dylan was last seen at MR's. It took months to get that info from LE. I wish they would be a little more forthcoming about some of this stuff.

Salem

The reporter who did the CBS Denver piece tried to call him and he didn't answer. I figured he was on the road working, myself, and that those who need to contact him know to use his cell. Just my own speculation though.

CBS4 tried to reach Dylan’s father for comment on Wednesday but he never answered his phone.

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2013/04/25/redwine-search-intensifies-at-vallecito-reservoir/

 

[Emma Ems]

Thumbs up Seajay !
None of us know for sure and all we can do is guess and I want the outcome to be whichever brings home a walking, talking Dylan. I don't care how it happens and how many of my posts that voids. Be alive baby boy !

ETA ,,, my own feelings are conflicted. MR is a weird duck, no doubt, weird to the core . He doesn't look innocent at all. However I have read countless true books and seen countless true id type shows where a wandering , slick, near invisible perp happened upon a child at the very only SECOND child was alone and not a witness around. So I know this happens. Odds are low but in every case where a serial perp of some kind goes on for years and years uncaught , its' because he was in a nearly ' miraculous' set of circumstances where he had opportunity and no witnesses. I try to keep that in the back of my mind all the time. IT HAPPENS ! Also in every close knit , small community there are still freaks lurking that smile at you every day and no one is the wiser. The deputy in that area, whether or not he's related to Dylan's case, is a great example. Two months ago everyone who knew him would surely have said NO WAY is this guy involved in anything seedy or perverted. Sadly, they are everywhere now

Those things are in the back of my head always, which is kind of why I am always on the fence, because even though they may be rare, they do happen and I would feel terrible if I only thought one particular person could be responsible AND it happened to be someone the person loves. If there is even the slightest chance of it being a freak incident, then I have to keep it in mind, until there is no other option but to rule it out.

 

[Redhead72]

Wanted to make a note - Yesterday on the thread I mentioned an Anasazi settlement near CO Springs and thought the name of it had the word wind in it... "The Cave of the Winds", is near the Anasazi-related "Manitou Cave Dwellings" site, which is what I had been referring to. Sorry for any confusion that may have caused.

 

[scorekeeper]

Rebeccaeee, you are probably correct, as I could have remembered the source incorrectly. Since I don't have Facebook and can't read FMDR, I did quickly find this one MSM media source quoting data about the missing and FMDR.

http://kdvr.com/2013/02/27/dylan-redwines-family-appears-on-dr-phil-dogs-find-scent-on-lake/

The quote from the article: “There are many homeless people that live up in that area. It could be anyone,” Hawkins wrote.

Rebeccaeee, thank you so much for refreshing my memory.

FYI

You do not have to have a Facebook page to view/read the official page.

https://www.facebook.com/FindMissingDylanRedwine

 

[scorekeeper]

Wanted to make a note - Yesterday on the thread I mentioned an Anasazi settlement near CO Springs and thought the name of it had the word wind in it... "The Cave of the Winds", is near the Anasazi-related "Manitou Cave Dwellings" site, which is what I had been referring to. Sorry for any confusion that may have caused.

Thank you so much for all your posts and research (I greatly appreciate it!!). I admire your dedication to finding Dylan!

:drumroll::drumroll:

 

[ColdHands]

The thing is, research is not going to solve this case. Hard work and inspired thinking is. I really appreciated the suggestion of old burials because it showed creativity and an out of the box approach. It left me believing that there could be reasons for the dogs to have detected something that are completely unrelated to this case. Old burials is one. dead animals is another. The human element that is involved in dog training and handling is a third.

And that put me back into the mode of thinking, well if not the lake (which it looks less likely now after this last search) then where?

I did go back and read the scanner thread. And all the great search articles that TheCheese posted there for us. I have spent hours looking at the satellite maps of the lake, and thinking about how low the lake levels were in November. And where someone could put a hundred pound body into the lake without being seen or leaving any trace, footprints, tire marks, etc.

Research is only part of the story. We all filter facts our own way, select and choose to fit or disprove theories as they come up. That's the art of the brainstorming process.

 

[azgrandma]

Everyone was told the searches would not take place until mid-May because the family wanted privacy. Do you know if they notified MR that the search was taking place last week and let him know he was welcome to be there?

I believe that if they attempted to notify MR of the search, he would not have answered his phone, this is based on many comments in various interviews with both EH and CR in regards to his failure to communicate with them as well as recent comments from reporters and their failed attempts. I also believe that there would not have been a welcome party for him from EH or CR, however, since Dylan is his child as well, he has every right to be there. IMO if he wanted to be there, failure to receive that nice cozy feeling from others would not be a factor.

 

[*Lash*]

The reporter who did the CBS Denver piece tried to call him and he didn't answer. I figured he was on the road working, myself, and that those who need to contact him know to use his cell. Just my own speculation though.

CBS4 tried to reach Dylan’s father for comment on Wednesday but he never answered his phone.

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2013/04/25/redwine-search-intensifies-at-vallecito-reservoir/

There was also this quote from Elaine via telephone with the same reporter.



http://denver.cbslocal.com/2013/04/25/redwine-search-intensifies-at-vallecito-reservoir/