CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #49

[raine1212]

Good afternoon everyone. I was reading up on anything I may have missed. I hope and pray we have closure soon. Prayers to bring Dylan home.

 

[TxLady2]

IMO, nobody knows if MR was notified (either by LE, searchers, EH or anyone else) and decided to not be present or if MR was not notified and had no knowledge of the search until it was in the papers if at all. For all we know, he could have been out of town. IMO both parents should participate in searches, that's what I would do if it were my child and that's what I would expect the other parent to do as well. I'm not snipping at you or directing this at you, so please don't take it that way, I am only responding to a post with what I believe I would do in the same situation and MOO.

Actually, most LE prefer that family members, esp. parents NOT participate in searches, after the first few days anyway. Or this is what I am told anyway. After following many cases over the years, I remember this being said in a lot of cases. I would assume that they would not recommend a parent being present if they do find a body in the water. After 5 months, it's not going to be a pleasant sight, it will be pretty gruesome. No parent should have to witness that, IMO. Even seasoned detectives have a hard time with this type of recovery.

I knew a man who found his SIL's body when it washed up a week or so after she drowned in the lake. He said she was so bloated she was unrecognizable and her skin literally came away in his hands when he tried to bring her the rest of the way out of the water. That was 10 years afterwards, and it still gave him nightmares.

 

[Seajay]

Actually, most LE prefer that family members, esp. parents NOT participate in searches, after the first few days anyway. Or this is what I am told anyway. After following many cases over the years, I remember this being said in a lot of cases. I would assume that they would not recommend a parent being present if they do find a body in the water. After 5 months, it's not going to be a pleasant sight, it will be pretty gruesome. No parent should have to witness that, IMO. Even seasoned detectives have a hard time with this type of recovery.

I knew a man who found his SIL's body when it washed up a week or so after she drowned in the lake. He said she was so bloated she was unrecognizable and her skin literally came away in his hands when he tried to bring her the rest of the way out of the water. That was 10 years afterwards, and it still gave him nightmares.

I remember a case I was on last year, Linnea Lomax, the mother went on the search for her daughter and was actually the one to find her body. I cannot even fathom that. I would not want to be the one to do that. It's bad enough knowing your dead child was found, but to be the one to find them and to see them in dead like that is just horrible. I would not want to do that. IMO.

 

[rosesfromangels]

There was also this quote from Elaine via telephone with the same reporter.

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http://denver.cbslocal.com/2013/04/25/redwine-search-intensifies-at-vallecito-reservoir/

I give Dylan's mom a lot of credit for restraint. I really don't think I could be as dignified or restrained in her shoes. I'm sure her motivation is based on that very small possibility that her boy is still alive somewhere. I know most folks don't agree with this, but I think LE has a mighty good idea of what happened...and I would believe that one of MR's "<modsnip>friends" might know too. He's a <modsnip>, and I'm sure his friends are mostly likely as well.
If Dylan shows up and I'm wrong, I will be the first posting here saying I was. We can only pray that happens.

 

[rebeccaeee]

I remember a case I was on last year, Linnea Lomax, the mother went on the search for her daughter and was actually the one to find her body. I cannot even fathom that. I would not want to be the one to do that. It's bad enough knowing your dead child was found, but to be the one to find them and to see them in dead like that is just horrible. I would not want to do that. IMO.

I think it speaks more to the determination of her mother to find her. I do not think the reality of finding your dead child could possibly be worse than what you might have already imagined. Linnea took her own life which is bad enough. Elaine is already fixated on Dylan's "bones" lying out there in the open (per the Dr Phil appearance). Anything we imagine she has imagined and then some. To find him would offer the opportunity to bring him home, bury him and mourn differently.

 

[Seajay]

I think it speaks more to the determination of her mother to find her. I do not think the reality of finding your dead child could possibly be worse than what you might have already imagined. Linnea took her own life which is bad enough. Elaine is already fixated on Dylan's "bones" lying out there in the open (per the Dr Phil appearance). Anything we imagine she has imagined and then some. To find him would offer the opportunity to bring him home, bury him and mourn differently.

IMO finding him is one thing, SEEING him dead and decomposed is another. Just knowing he's dead is enough, but to have the images of his decomposed body is more than any parent should have to endure, IMO. I will have to agree to disagree with you on this. We each see it differently.

 

[rebeccaeee]

http://www.omnidivers.com/erdibodiesfound.html

I have been researching what effect altitude might have on a victim in the lake surfacing even when water temps rise. No answers yet but I found this nifty article about recovery in high altitude lakes. The same Gene Ralston who was on Vallecito Lake last week was instrumental in these search and recovery efforts.

 

[ColdHands]

Gene Ralston seems to be really good and has a lot of success. So what does it mean when he can't find Dylan in the lake?

Where are you, Dylan?

 

[MissJ]

is there a reasonably recent link that shows MR is communicating with LE?


with regard to MRs phone not being answered I have to ask why no one has mentioned the obvious reason why the parent of a missing child would answer the phone or have an answering machine at the least - what if Dylan or an abductor called?????


it's something to think about IMO because I think its very odd to say the least

Just jumping off your post. JMO but I seriously doubt MR is initiating any contact with LE. :twocents::moo:

 

[cluciano63]

It is very bizarre for anyone close to a missing child to have a phone without an answering machine or voice mail, much less a parent. Reminded of Hailey's grandmother saying this week how everyone made sure not to change their numbers over the two-plus years, just in case word of Hailey came, or even Hailey herself tried to call.

Can you imagine if Dylan had one quick chance to make a call and dialed this number of his father's, only to get nothing but ringing? Sure, it is unlikely, as is the chance he is alive and safe right now. But many people here have faith. Does his father, who is seemingly invisible now for two-plus months?

 

[Emma Ems]

http://www.omnidivers.com/erdibodiesfound.html

I have been researching what effect altitude might have on a victim in the lake surfacing even when water temps rise. No answers yet but I found this nifty article about recovery in high altitude lakes. The same Gene Ralston who was on Vallecito Lake last week was instrumental in these search and recovery efforts.

I wish Gene could have found the sources of these alerts while he was out there this past week. Did all they already go home? This is crazy but I keep thinking of was it Alvin that went to the bottom of the ocean to find the Titanic? It went down there with a camera and they explored the wreckage, I wish they could just put one like that down at the bottom of the lake and use it to cover the whole lake. I guess the visibility issues would probably make that impossible but they were able to see what was on the grate so maybe not?

 

[Seajay]

I have this question too.


:Banane18: No clue what this emoticon is but I like it so I'm using it here for no reason at all.

That is a very good question, what does it mean that they haven't found anything in the lake? What is the next step??? The checked on all the spots the dogs alerted on and didn't find anything at any one of those places. If the lake is not producing anything, what is the next move??

I would think that on land, if there was anything there, the vultures would have found it already and alerted LE in their own way. JMO

 

[rosesfromangels]

Gene Ralston seems to be really good and has a lot of success. So what does it mean when he can't find Dylan in the lake?

Where are you, Dylan?

It's just so massive. That said, if there are earthly remains in that lake I believe.they are weighted and on the.bottom, snagged along the way to the bottom, or in the dam mechanisms. My sincere apologies for those thoughts, and most especially to his loved ones. I have great faith in those dogs. Search and recovery efforts.should persist.

 

[ColdHands]

How effective do you all think helicopters are in this type of lake search? Helicopters have flown over the lake a couple of times now. There must be a reason why they think that would be useful. Could they see the bottom?

 

[Emma Ems]

How effective do you all think helicopters are in this type of lake search? Helicopters have flown over the lake a couple of times now. There must be a reason why they think that would be useful. Could they see the bottom?

In one of the aerials of them building the coffer dam a little to the left of where they are building is a black dot in the water, maybe that is what they were looking for. I don't know exactly how they would be able to tell what it was though? Maybe it was to tell the person with the side sonar of some abnormality to check out, you know as a directive.

 

[ColdHands]

In one of the aerials of them building the coffer dam a little to the left of where they are building is a black dot in the water, maybe that is what they were looking for. I don't know exactly how they would be able to tell what it was though? Maybe it was to tell the person with the side sonar of some abnormality to check out, you know as a directive.

Gah, have to get to bed. My initial searches for a picture showing the view a helicopter would have of a lake have turned up nothing. I did find an article or two that mentioned finding bodies in lakes using helicopters flying over. I suppose it depends on the height the helicopter is flying at + clarity of the water.

 

[Emma Ems]

Gah, have to get to bed. My initial searches for a picture showing the view a helicopter would have of a lake have turned up nothing. I did find an article or two that mentioned finding bodies in lakes using helicopters flying over. I suppose it depends on the height the helicopter is flying at + clarity of the water.

Even with LV's measurements I was picture a reservoir like the one closest to me. However, the other day I actually looked at the size of my local reservoir lake and it's like 4 times the size of LV. If you had asked me this before I realize how small LV is compared to my lake I would have said maybe it was looking for a floating body. Maybe it still was, but it looks like you would be able to see from shore to shore at that lake, I could be wrong though since I haven't seen it in person.

 

[AnotherSetOfEyes]

How effective do you all think helicopters are in this type of lake search? Helicopters have flown over the lake a couple of times now. There must be a reason why they think that would be useful. Could they see the bottom?

Or could that be an efficient way of checking for a body that might have surfaced? Someone mentioned that when that happens it is a very short time before the body sinks again. Made me wonder, if it is actually a body that was causing the hits, could it have surfaces and floated elsewhere due to how choppy the water was and now have gone down in a completely different area?

Another question. Someone mentioned that some dogs are trained on the scent of pigs and could be misled by remnants of a pig roast. There was a fund raiser in May of that year catered by a local restaurant. Can't tell if it was at the restaurant site or on the actual lake shore. I wonder if it would be valuable to contact the restaurant and find out if they did a traditional roast, as in buried the pig(s) in the sand to cook. And where the roast was located. If it was in the vicinity of the hits, that probably wouldn't say for certain that was the cause, but it might give some peace of mind.
ETA: Don't want to post the link for fund raiser because it is a PDF, but if you want to see it google the title Wounded in December, eagle flies again - Southern Ute Indian

 

[Ghostwheel]

So what I'm wondering is is the lake search over and has it been ruled out? It's very confusing.

I doubt that. It could mean something could have been in that area they searched at one time and moved. It could mean something could been 500 feet outside the area they were searching. It only means LE chose to look at that specific area, for whatever reason they have (which we don't really know-we might THINK we know, but we don't really know). If I had volunteers agreeing to sonar the whole lake, I'd take them up on it, and I think Dylan's family will still do that.

 

[Ghostwheel]

That is a very good question, what does it mean that they haven't found anything in the lake? What is the next step??? The checked on all the spots the dogs alerted on and didn't find anything at any one of those places. If the lake is not producing anything, what is the next move??

I would think that on land, if there was anything there, the vultures would have found it already and alerted LE in their own way. JMO

Did they search the WHOLE lake? Or just those little parts? Was this the group that volunteered to help, or LE? I don't think this was the sonar group, and if it wasn't, there's a lot of lake still left to check.