CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #5

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  • #281
Where has it been reported that MR is an alcoholic or abused alcohol or had a drinking problem, etc.?

I haven't saw that anywhere. Please say someone didn't sleuth out any criminal record on him. Nurse warned us ... she has a needle.


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  • #282
Where has it been reported that MR is an alcoholic or abused alcohol or had a drinking problem, etc.?

There is none. I asked awhile back if he had been known to be a drinker? There was a relative on here earlier and I thought I would ask that question.
 
  • #283
I believe she was referring to father/son arguments. Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong score.

nope, spot on, OE...

Thanks :blushing::blushing:
 
  • #284
Not trying to be snarky at all because I do appreciate your points. I just wanted to share that my dad had an violet temper when he was drinking and never once did he get in trouble with the law. Just saying it can happen.

I also know someone who has a violent temper while drinking, but in the 25 years I have known him he has never been in trouble with the law. He drinks at home, not at bars, and his ex-wife and kids were too afraid to report his violent temper.

When he is sober, he is the nicest guy you could ever hope to meet. But if you happen to be around when he is drinking, his temper is explosive.

So I agree with OtherEyes - in my experience, it is possible for someone with a violent temper to avoid any trouble with the police.
 
  • #285
Also, I hear many saying "why could he not be flexible" when it came to allowing DR to go with mom to be with his sick grandparent. I am trying to put myself in his shoes. If rumor is true and he works out of state as much as it was rumored. And if he had not seen him since a brief visit in Sept. and if he vied for him for Thanksgiving week, and perhaps scheduled his time off to be with his son. I sadly can see him sticking to his guns and demanding said visit. I know this sounds brash, but I would if in his shoes. IMHO
 
  • #286
I haven't saw that anywhere. Please say someone didn't sleuth out any criminal record on him. Nurse warned us ... she has a needle.


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Hey, there's no problem with sleuthing him. The problem lies with reporting on WS what you found out. THEN the needle comes out!!
 
  • #287
On Nancy Grace, in the transcript, a family friend of Mark Redwines, said that Mark told her that Dylan went right to sleep as soon as they got back home.

The point here is that this information came from the Dad or his side of the family. We really do not know if this is the truth or not. Was it normal for Dylan to go to bed early if he stayed up late the night before? Really do not know this as a verified fact. Just Dad's comment. :twocents:
 
  • #288
So I'm trying to go at it this way: as I learned in JR's case reading between the lines is as important as reading them. So we know from LE that Dylan arrived in La Plata County and we know his phone was off at 8-ish.... So by my own deductions what they aren't saying is they know he arrived at dads house, hence the photos being asked for. The trucks at dads being taken away was strange, in JR's case yes they searched the house, probably cars too, but did not take them away. I watch a lot of CSI so I'm assuming they took them because they found evidence of something and need to do CSI-y stuff to it. MOO!!

I agree. There's a lot to read between the lines. LE was careful to state that they KNOW Dylan arrived in La Plata County....not that they know for sure Dylan ever arrived at his father's house. And, they have said they're not "calling" Mark Redwine a suspect....but they could very well be considering him suspect #1 behind the scenes. JMO.
 
  • #289
Don't worry about Nurse's needle, I have intergallatic weapons on board. :abduction:


Don't sleuth anyone in this case. We don't have a named POI. I mean it. The only record that can be posted are those of any RSO's in the surrounding area.
 
  • #290
Being on this fence is really starting to wear and tear on my butt.... But I refuse to come off of it yet. Hope you are all cozy in the tunnel...

IF....and its a big IF.... DR did not ever make it to Dads house, do you think it could be that they argued and he put the boy out of the vehicle. example..."you want to spend this weekend so bad with your Mother, well walk" or "you want to be with your friends over me, well walk" and then poof he disappeared. MR might be afraid now that he dug a hole with his story to tell the truth of what really happened. I am just drawing straws here and thinking of any scenerio that would make it that he did not make it to spend the night on Sunday night. My ex during the end of our relationship used to toss me out and tell me to walk, so just thinking this could happen....IMHO

BBM

and with his fishing pole

perhaps dad bought Dylan a fishing pole at Walmart when they stopped for groceries....:what:
 
  • #291
Come on to the dark side. We have cookies, a wine cellar and pink faux rotary phone with sparkles.


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Is that the one Jesus calls on? (Not being sacrilegious, just referring to comments made yesterday!)
 
  • #292
Don't worry about Nurse's needle, I have intergallatic weapons on board. :abduction:


Don't sleuth anyone in this case. We don't have a named POI. I mean it. The only record that can be posted are those of any RSO's in the surrounding area.

Oh crap... everyone get your foil hats!:what:
 
  • #293
BBM

and with his fishing pole

perhaps dad bought Dylan a fishing pole at Walmart when they stopped for groceries....:what:

Even if my scenerio is total off kilter. You could very well be right about him purchasing the pole when they stopped for groceries. That would be something he would notice if DR made it to his house, and if it was gone with him after his errands the next day. IMHO

The fishing pole is just on thing of many that keeps throwing me off a bit.
 
  • #294
I hate to keep sounding like MR's low rent public defender, but here I go again. First, the vigil was about 10 days after he disappeared, so it's really pretty understandable that MR and CR would slip into past tense at times and present tense at others; I've been wondering how much of what they said was included in the video, I'm sure everything had to be edited some to keep it a reasonable length. I'm sure they're both trying to be optimistic, but having a hard time staying that way by now. I also find it EXTREMELY hard to believe that MR has a violent temper and hasn't been in trouble for it in the 52(?) years he's been around. If he had been, I have no doubt we would have been reading about any charges that had been made against him (even if they were dropped or he was found not guilty). The press loves that stuff, and I'm sure LE checked it out early in the investigation.

Just a general question here...
Anyone got any statistics about how many abusive men are violent outside the home? Would that be common or extremely rare?
 
  • #295
Just a general question here...
Anyone got any statistics about how many abusive men are violent outside the home? Would that be common or extremely rare?

Do you mean "violent outside the home" as in, willing to be violent publically? or do you mean violent with others, other than family members behind closed doors?

I think statistically this would vary to such a degree it would be hard to get any hard statistics on it to be honest.
 
  • #296
Come on to the dark side. We have cookies, a wine cellar and pink faux rotary phone with sparkles.


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Hahahahaa....thanks for the funny, I needed that! :*
 
  • #297
We raised 3 sons....never, ever came close to physical fighting. Can't even imagine such a thing. None of my sons had to "prove" something to their dad.

My son is now 24, and a wonderful, young man, in every way. But when he was
14 or so he and my husband almost came to blows a couple of times. Our son went through an emotional time with his first break up, our recent move to a new town and a few other stressful things. He became very disrespectful and mouthy, and my DH came at him hard. Neither wanted to back down. They would bump chests and be screaming in each others faces. Tough times but we all got through it successfully. Nobody actually took a swing, but they sure did come close. The worst time I remember was when my DH came home and heard our 14 yr old having a tantrum and calling me disrespectful names, like saying I was 'stupid.' DH heard him and went after him and neither would back down. DH wanted him to apologize, but the upset 14 yr old wanted me to apologize to him, because he felt I had said bad things about his ex. [ which I did.:angel: ] So it was an emotional mess for a time. The main thing we learned was that DH and Son needed more quality time together, which they both made time for. Ten years later, they are very very close and I think it was a good thing overall.

This is what leads me to believe that Dylan and his dad MIGHT have had a fight. I remember one of the times my son and DH fought it was nearly physical because DS says he is leaving, it is midnight, and DH says 'try it'
and DS is saying ' try and stop me.' Well obviously DH was bigger and stronger, and COULD have physically stopped him, but he didn't take the bait. He let him walk out. But what if he had tried to stop him? Someone could have been hurt. It can happen.
 
  • #298
Wonder what the relationship dynamic between MR and CR is like? This is his bio-dad right?
 
  • #299
I'm going to try to come up with something to put in each group, but it might be pretty scant.

1) 6-8pm Sunday

I believe someone posted previously that the plane landed about 5:47 pm (I'm not positive about that time, I know it was around 6:00). He would have to be picked up by his father according to the rules for children that age flying. Nothing has been said about any luggage other than the backpack. He texted his mother telling her he arrived and his dad was there to pick him up, I believe. It sounded like it was sent while he was still in the airport, so I can't see anything happening to him before that time. He "talked" to at least one friend, but I believe it was just texts.
They were expecting him at 6:30 am, so he may have told them that then. From what the friends say, he may have also told them that he'd hitchhike if he had to, but I'm not sure if that was confirmed or just speculation. They haven't confirmed where the shopping was done as far as I know. They also haven't said how long they were in there. I was wondering if they had gotten something from the deli to eat that night too, since he got there so close to meal time. No video of them anywhere has been shown or mentioned that I know of, but that does seem strange to me. They have asked for any video anyone might have of the road they were on during certain hours. I don't believe it's ever been said what time he told them they got home. Nobody has said where he says they were at 8:00. He may not even know if they just did the shopping, went home and went to bed. I don't believe anything was said about where the last ping/call was from either.

2) 8pm - 7:30AM

What's been said is that they shopped, went home and slept. MR got up early and got ready to go, and tried to wake DR up. He said he made noise, which could be anything from turning on a tv or shutting a cupboard door loudly to banging a spoon on a pan, etc. He says that Dylan didn't get up, which I'd guess means he told him to leave him alone (or to knock it off) and went back to sleep. When he still wasn't up by 7:30, MR left.
I was wondering if DR woke up after dad went to bed and maybe played a game for a while or something (even if he could get a cell signal, it may have been too late to be sending messages to friends.) It was said that they went to bed/sleep when they got to the house,

3) 7:30am - 11:30am

It was said he had 2 meetings that morning, one with his attorney, but I haven't heard who the other was with. Somebody said it was about a 2 hour drive there, maybe longer, but if that's the case it would have taken much more than 4 hours. I've read somewhere that LE has confirmed his appointments/time gone. No idea about the rest of the questions


4) 11:30am - 4:30pm

He said he got home at about 11:30. He said he told the police the first day that the fishing pole was missing, so he may have looked around the place to see if he could figure out where he may have gone. I'd guess that was after he learned that he wasn't at the friend's house. I'm wondering if he even realized there was a problem before he went to the friend's house to get him and found out nobody had heard from him. I know I read that he looked around for him, and called his ex-wife after he got back from the friend's house. I think it was about 4:30 when he called her, and about 6:00 when he reported him missing.

I know, this wasn't much help, but my eyes aren't focusing real well again.
 
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