CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #5

[FlyerFan28]

One thing keeps bugging me. It has been reported, & discussed here, that Dylan had all his belongings, backpack, cell phone,etc, with him when he disappeared. Why would he do that? That sounds more like a kid running away, yet LE says they know he is not a runaway. Could it be someone wanted him to appear to be a runaway?

It also sounds like a kid who never arrived at their intended destination. MOO

 

[mck16]

For all who missed the show or haven't read the transcript here it is as far as what Denise Hess said:

GRACE: To Denise Hess, this is a very close friend of the family. She`s even organizing searches for this little boy.

Denise, do we know if the father`s taken a polygraph?

HESS: I do not know that information. I`ve been in close contact with the family, but, of course, I`m sure investigators are telling them to not really speak publicly even with close friends at this point.

GRACE: Denise, what is the custody situation with little Dylan?

HESS: Dylan was awarded -- his mother was awarded full custody of him in September and then his father was awarded visitation on certain days.

GRACE: So how far apart do the mother and the father actually live?

HESS: It takes about traveling by -- by car, it takes about five hours to reach Colorado Springs from here.

GRACE: OK. Did Dylan drive or fly to his dad`s?

HESS: He flew in to the Durango Airport here. It`s my understanding around 6:00 or 6:30 Sunday evening.

GRACE: And what if anything did the father have planned to do with the little boy during the vacation?

HESS: I don`t know of anything specific. I know when I had spoke with the father at one point he said that they had gone shopping after they got off the -- after he picked up Dylan at the airport they had gone shopping for groceries and had talked about what they wanted to do for Thanksgiving.

I do know that Dylan had planned to spend time with friends and that he was supposed to be his friends around 6:30 in the morning, and it was his intent to get up and his dad to drive him to meet his friends at 6:30 in the morning.

GRACE: You mean on Monday morning?

HESS: Yes.

GRACE: OK. That`s interesting. That`s a new fact I didn`t know. I wonder what happened to that plan because the dad left at 7:30 without Dylan.

HESS: The dad said that Dylan had been up fairly late, the evening before he flew -- the night before he flew in to Durango. And he was really tired they had gone to bed. And that he had gotten up in the morning, stirred around the house, made some noise trying to get Dylan up, and Dylan didn`t want to get up and go into town at that time.

GRACE: Do we know, Denise Hess, whether there was any forced entry? Was anything taken from the home? And does the home have a burglar alarm or surveillance cameras on it?

HESS: I don`t know any of that information.

GRACE: OK.

Everyone, with me, close friend of the family, Denise Hess, and Denise, what is the relationship between the mother and the father? Is that still contentious?

HESS: Yes, they -- they`ve been back and forth over a few things. You know, a lot of divorces get nasty and messy and, you know, it`s unfortunate that people can`t always get along. But I don`t know that -- I don`t know. I don`t know how to answer that.

GRACE: Yes.

HESS: I don`t know that.

GRACE: Or one of the issues they fought about Dylan?

HESS: Not really to my knowledge until Elaine was awarded custody of Dylan and then Mark went and asked for visitation rights. That`s the only thing I know of. Other than that --

GRACE: How did the mom manage to get full custody?

HESS: I don`t know. I think that I need to clarify that she had -- it`s primary custodial rights.

GRACE: Yes. Yes. Yes.

HESS: So -- yes.

GRACE: That is different, Denise, you`re absolutely right about that.

Randy Zelin, explain the difference.

RANDY ZELIN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, the difference is when you`re talking about custody, you can have one parent being awarded sole custody. You can have parents being awarded joint custody. However, one parent has physical custody.

I`m divorced, that`s the arrangement that I have. We share custody, but my children live with my ex-wife. So that`s the difference.

GRACE: Out to the lines, Derek, Illinois. What`s your question, dear?

DEREK, CALLER FROM ILLINOIS: Hi, Nancy, I`m so happy you`re covering this. I only see it on you guys and ABC. I was wondering, what does the family friend think? I mean she knows them both. Has she -- what does the mom say about the dad? And does she think the dad did it? I know that`s kind of a sensitive question. But what does she think?

GRACE: You know, Denise Hess, what do you think?

HESS: I think that -- I don`t believe that Dylan ran away. I don`t -- I don`t really know what happened to Dylan, I can`t point the finger in any direction at this point. But I do know this community, I know there`s one way in that lake and one way out of that lake. And I just don`t -- I don`t know. I don`t know how to answer that question. I just know that all of us that are very close to Dylan know that he would not run away.

We all know in our hearts that he would not run away. We all feel like he would have contacted his friends in the morning. If he overslept, then those teenagers sometimes do, he would`ve called his friends and asked his friends to have their moms come and get him or something. We just don`t know. It`s just -- it`s very odd to all of us that he vanished and we just don`t know.

I hope this clears up things she said and who she is. jmo

 

[Rougelatete]

I have no degree in this, but I do have experience being a survivor. This is soooo true, you hit the nail on the head. However, I will say, they can explode and become extremely violent when you threaten that control. It can go from mental abuse to physical in a heartbeat when you fight back or stand up for yourself...IMHO

No doubt. Statistics show that the most dangerous time for a survivor is when she is trying to leave the abuser (i.e. as you put it: "threaten that control").

Just surmising here but MR had recently lost a lot: his ex-wife and two sons moved farther away, he lost joint custody, it is possible child support payments were ordered, and Dylan didn't really want to be there at Thanksgiving to begin with. It must have felt like everything was slipping away from Mark Redwine....

JMO.

 

[vasportsmom]

One thing keeps bugging me. It has been reported, & discussed here, that Dylan had all his belongings, backpack, cell phone,etc, with him when he disappeared. Why would he do that? That sounds more like a kid running away, yet LE says they know he is not a runaway. Could it be someone wanted him to appear to be a runaway?

That is where I am. If all of his stuff is gone then either Dylan ran away or somebody wants us to think that.


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[AlexisFresca]

Absolutely. Just because a man has no record of violent offenses does NOT mean he would not engage in such behavior. I lived with a man for many years who had an unspeakable lifestyle and certainly, any violence needed was used, but he was/is never thought to be anything but wonderful and helpful to all. Because that's all that people see.
So really...you never know.

Has someone looked up MR's record? Got the impression that was a no-no?

 

[Tennlyn]

Just to be clear, there are many different types of violence and many different causes (I am State Certified in domestic batterer intervention so I've worked with both abusers and survivors). There's an old adage in the field that the most 'successful' abuser is the one who is not physically violent -- his control over the victims is powerful enough simply by his words, threats, and the fear he instills in his victims.

From my experience, men who were abusive in the privacy of their homes were generally not abusive or violent in public and the abuse or violence was generally directed solely at their intended victims (like the wife or children). It wasn't that they had a huge temper that could not be controlled and they would just haul off and beat up strangers or friends without any warning (although there are disorders that can cause that -- which is why I'm being clear that there are different types of violence with different causes).

Some violence can be caused by impulse control problems such as those with Intermittent Explosive Disorder. But, domestic violence is in a different category (usually) and involves a PATTERN of coercion, power, and control over a victim.

BBM
Thank you so much for your response! It really clarified some things in my mind. Especially that old adage. It will be useful to remember that in so many cases.

 

[scorekeeper]

Door-to-door canvassing by task force members began on Tuesday, November 27 but has been concluded at this time

http://www.kjct8.com/news/Investiga...-boy/-/163152/17609894/-/yrl3duz/-/index.html

thinkin' LE has some clues.....

plus "official interview" for dad

doesn't sound good.....

oh, Dylan.....

 

[momrids6]

I hate that this case are sooooo frustrating!

My one question (it may have been answered and I missed it) is......... Why couldn't the search dogs have used the sheets or pillow case Dylan slept on for his scent?

I'll have to go find Sarx's replies in the last thread- Sarx said something about how the dogs were trained concerning amount of time MP had spent with an article;

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[IHAVENOCLUE]

Mental health professionals often believe there is some element of truth in a lie. I've been puzzling over this statement from Dylan's dad for a while now. He refers to the last state he saw Dylan in as unable to wake him up, out like a light. I wonder if there is some element of truth in that, sad as it may be -- that the last time Mark Redwine saw his son, he was incapacitated and unable to be roused for some reason....

The truth has a way of slipping through the cracks.

I know that "out like a light" is an idiom... But it has haunted me since I first read it, too!

 

[cluciano63]

I am stunned if LE truly does not even know for sure if Dylan made it to his father's house. I hope that is not true.

 

[Rougelatete]

Lt. Shupe said they would like to thank the community for sharing video footage of the Vallecito area, taken between the evening of Sunday, November 18 and noon on Monday, November 19.

"Footage is currently being analyzed by investigators for clues," said Lt. Shupe.

The task force is still requesting video footage or photographs that include vehicles traveling on any routes between Durango and Vallecito Reservoir during that time frame.

Oooohhh....I think they've got something!

http://www.kjct8.com/news/Investiga...-boy/-/163152/17609894/-/yrl3duz/-/index.html

 

[Tennlyn]

I'm not a fan of LDTs in general, but I'm really hoping the interview included one in this case. :what:

I didn't see it mentioned in the article, but I wonder if MR's attorney was there.

 

[Londonrraine]

I notice there are so many cases that involve children of divorce. Being the mother of 2 children of divorce myself, I know how horrific the situation can be for kids.
My divorce was 12 years ago and my ex is still holding a grudge. What's up with this? (I didn't do anything. I just wanted a divorce.)
The problems are, the children WILL pay for the divorced couples BS and that's a fact. All the fighting and hatred is ridiculous, and I don't think we parents really see how much we're hurting our kids. I really believe this has to be looked at.
There's a boy missing in the NY area and I was reading up on this 17 y/old runaway.
The parents are divorced. Well, i'm reading this and I see the parents are actually fighting, getting all nasty w/each-other, mud-slinging on the comments page of the local newspaper! What's that?
It really makes me think about children of divorce....that's all. I just want parents everywhere to be more mindful, sincerely mindful of their kids when they divorce.

 

[Portabella]

No doubt. Statistics show that the most dangerous time for a survivor is when she is trying to leave the abuser (i.e. as you put it: "threaten that control").

Just surmising here but MR had recently lost a lot: his ex-wife and two sons moved farther away, he lost joint custody, it is possible child support payments were ordered, and Dylan didn't really want to be there at Thanksgiving to begin with. It must have felt like everything was slipping away from Mark Redwine....

JMO.

I worked in Community Corrections and had to do LSI, ASUS and many different tests to classify an inmate. I will admit that when it comes to Stressors, MR had many.

I just for some reason cannot think of this as a premeditated act, and this comes from a woman who worked with male felons in one form or another for fifteen long years...lol. However, I can see an accident perhaps, and then panic. I know it is rare, but sometimes you just hit wrong and someone dies. I truly hope this is not the case. The only other thing would be DR said or did something that hit a nerve and a blind rage ensued. I again really hope not. I keep hoping for a bright outcome, I always do....and it never seems to work out that way. I hope this is the one....

 

[scorekeeper]

No doubt. Statistics show that the most dangerous time for a survivor is when she is trying to leave the abuser (i.e. as you put it: "threaten that control").

Just surmising here but MR had recently lost a lot: his ex-wife and two sons moved farther away, he lost joint custody, it is possible child support payments were ordered, and Dylan didn't really want to be there at Thanksgiving to begin with. It must have felt like everything was slipping away from Mark Redwine....

JMO.

and also the statement from mom saying dad may feel - something about - if i can't have him, neither can you - not the direct quote but hopefully the point is there..

Oh, I'm sick to my stomach....

 

[StJohn]

Door-to-door canvassing by task force members began on Tuesday, November 27 but has been concluded at this time

http://www.kjct8.com/news/Investiga...-boy/-/163152/17609894/-/yrl3duz/-/index.html

thinkin' LE has some clues.....

plus "official interview" for dad

doesn't sound good.....

oh, Dylan.....

Sounds like LE is turning up the heat!:furious:

 

[katydid23]

For all who missed the show or haven't read the transcript here it is as far as what Denise Hess said:


SNIPPED FOR SPACE>>>>>

DEREK, CALLER FROM ILLINOIS: Hi, Nancy, I`m so happy you`re covering this. I only see it on you guys and ABC. I was wondering, what does the family friend think? I mean she knows them both. Has she -- what does the mom say about the dad? And does she think the dad did it? I know that`s kind of a sensitive question. But what does she think?

GRACE: You know, Denise Hess, what do you think?

HESS: I think that -- I don`t believe that Dylan ran away. I don`t -- I don`t really know what happened to Dylan, I can`t point the finger in any direction at this point. But I do know this community, I know there`s one way in that lake and one way out of that lake. And I just don`t -- I don`t know. I don`t know how to answer that question. I just know that all of us that are very close to Dylan know that he would not run away.

We all know in our hearts that he would not run away. We all feel like he would have contacted his friends in the morning. If he overslept, then those teenagers sometimes do, he would`ve called his friends and asked his friends to have their moms come and get him or something. We just don`t know. It`s just -- it`s very odd to all of us that he vanished and we just don`t know.

I hope this clears up things she said and who she is. jmo

BBM

Thanks for reposting this. There is something I noticed when I heard this the first time. This is a family friend that knows MR. And Nancy gave her a perfect opportunity to say that MR is not guilty and would never hurt his son.

But the family friend does not do that. She dances around it a bit, but, imo, she leaves that open as a possibility.

 

[sophclown]

Wow........... this is the sentence that tells me so much.

They also believe there's no chance Dylan wandered off and became lost in the wild.

http://www.kjct8.com/news/Investigators-interview-father-of-missing-boy/-/163152/17609894/-/yrl3duz/-/index.html

 

[mysticskye]

I thought initially Dad might have gone to the attorney's office to report info Dylan had shared with him. That's the first thing that popped in my mind.

hmmm...very good point! maybe info he had found out about the live in boyfriend?

 

[scorekeeper]

I didn't see it mentioned in the article, but I wonder if MR's attorney was there.

hmmmmm...he met with attorney Monday

wonder if he wanted a referral for another type of attorney....