CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #5

[scorekeeper]

So Dad nudged Dylan and told him if he needed anything to call. At this point Dad knew Dylan was not meeting the friends and expected him to be home when he got home? So when did Dad go to the friends house where he thought Dylan would be? I guess what I'm asking is did Dad go home to find Dylan gone then headed back to Bayfield or did he try to call Dylan and no answer so he headed to the friends home directly from running his errands? At what point did Dad go to the friends house? Anyone know?

Early on I read that Dad went to the home where he expected Dylan to be. Why would he expect him to be there and how did he expect him to get there?

he went to friends house in the afternoon.

http://durangoherald.com/article/20121129/NEWS01/121129528/Timeline-of-events-in-Dylan-Redwine-case

whoa - the timeline says dad reported him missing at 6 pm...

re: cell phone - if dad and friends did try to call/text - wouldn't there be a record of that from their cell phone/service provider?

 

[Rougelatete]

From the recent 9news video:

Court records show that there were some allegations of domestic violence and a judge issued protective orders during and after Dylan's parents divorced.

BBM. Wonder what was going on AFTER the divorce to cause a judge to issue a protective order after they were presumably already separated??

http://www.9news.com/news/article/302378/188/Missing-boys-father-denies-involvement

 

[Londonrraine]

I thought dad figured the fishing pole was important as a clue where to search. Like at a place where Dylan liked to fish and any water fairly close where he might fish. I don't understand the thinking that there is something sinister about dad's emphasizing the missing fishing rod.

"Investigators have determined that a fishing pole found on the Vallecito dam has no connection to Dylan."

Taken from: http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22083134/dylan-redwine-boy-missing-near-vallecito-did-not

 

[OtherEyes]

Quoting myself here...So is this Durango Herald report accurate and in context? It quotes Mark as saying Dylan was “out like a light", which obviously doesn't seem to jive with the above quote that Mark gave 9 News.

Exactly! They don't "jive"!

 

[tiredblondy]

Well, I tend to agree with him on how Dylan's case has been handled. More should have been done initially for sure.

 

[AlexisFresca]

Thinking about the fishing pole a bit, since LE just searched the house and let's pretend a fishing pole was never ever brought up in the scenario by MR, would LE even know that a fishing pole was missing on their own? Let alone that it was Dylan's? Unless dad has a 'fishing pole holder' in the garage with labels as to who's pole belongs to who, honestly, would they even know if a fishing pole was missing or not?

 

[Confusion]

So Dad nudged Dylan and told him if he needed anything to call. At this point Dad knew Dylan was not meeting the friends and expected him to be home when he got home? So when did Dad go to the friends house where he thought Dylan would be? I guess what I'm asking is did Dad go home to find Dylan gone then headed back to Bayfield or did he try to call Dylan and no answer so he headed to the friends home directly from running his errands? At what point did Dad go to the friends house? Anyone know?

Early on I read that Dad went to the home where he expected Dylan to be. Why would he expect him to be there and how did he expect him to get there?

He went there in the afternoon. What was said is that he went to the friend's place and asked where he was, and when he found out they hadn't seen or heard from him he called ER and told her he was missing. What I remember is that he called her at about 4:30 and called the police at 5:30 or 6:00. It sounded like he thought that someone had come and brought him to his friend's house - I'm sure he didn't think he'd walked. At some point after he realized he was gone, he noticed the fishing pole was missing, and told LE that he thought he might have gone fishing. MOO because I can't remember exactly where I read these things, and don't feel up to searching for them.

He seems very guarded, nervous, and negative. My guess is that he's stretching himself to his limits to maintain his composure.

If he's read or heard about even a fraction of the things being said about him, I can't say I blame him.

 

[callyn]

"Investigators have determined that a fishing pole found on the Vallecito dam has no connection to Dylan."

Taken from: http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22083134/dylan-redwine-boy-missing-near-vallecito-did-not

I was not talking at all about the broken pole that was found.

 

[ICUDOUCME]

Sorry I can't remember who wrote it, but after reading the post about the kids not having the day off from school, I came up with another (dumb) idea. If he woke up at 9 or 10 that morning, he may not have bothered turning his phone on because he knew his friend's were in school, ER and CR were probably working, and MR was busy (or he was just mad at him and not wanting to talk to him). He could have decided to go fishing for a while until his dad got home, and something could have happened while he was out.

OK and what would he be doing with all his belongings?

 

[tiredblondy]

I can see him nudging Dylan and being sure Dylan understood that Dad had to leave and that he could call him at any time...then Dylan falling back to sleep again "out like a light".

 

[Confusion]

OK and what would he be doing with all his belongings?

It sounds like he just has his backpack with whatever was in it. It doesn't matter though because the person who wrote that was wrong, there was no school that day.

 

[katydid23]

Quote:Ch 9 News:
Redwine and his wife went through a divorce several years ago. There were accusations of domestic violence, according to court records.
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:thud: :fencefall: :what:

 

[ozgirl70]

Well, if he left somewhere in the night then dad would not have seen him in the morning.
I keep getting the feeling that the dad story needs to be completely verified. Not quite sure if that can be accomplished. Not because he's lying, but because the area is so rural.
However, no offense to the dad, but we need to verify his stories.

Hmmm, yeah, the nudging would blow this theory apart. I was thinking that maybe Dad had only looked in the room from the doorway and 'thought' he saw Dylan in the bed.

IDK. :waitasec: Clutching clutching. And slowly the straws slip away.

Who owns the ipod, do we know? If it's Dylan's he could have been using it to make contact with people. Ipod touch are like Iphones. Heaps of apps available, including Ebuddy for online messaging/ chat. That would only work if the Ipod was connected to a wireless internet connection though.

:moo::moo:

 

[scorekeeper]

Well, I tend to agree with him on how Dylan's case has been handled. More should have been done initially for sure.

i'm thinking the way the initial report was filed was that Dylan had ran away....

once LE got to looking a little deeper at the story told them initially - they started to look at perhaps the inconsistencies and pieces of the puzzle....

Why would LE initially not believe a parent when the parent tells them the story that my son was home when I left at 7:30am and when I got home at 11:30 he was gone....

remember the father did not go to the Marshal's office until 6:00 pm on Monday to report him missing...

 

[ICUDOUCME]

Well, I tend to agree with him on how Dylan's case has been handled. More should have been done initially for sure.

I agree!

 

[LotusPawprint]

During the first several days, I found dad's public silence bothersome. As well as the vague timeline of events we were learning about, the "hinky meter" started to go off but the blinders weren't appropriate. Now that he's been talking, I think I'd prefer the silence.

Then we started to hear a comment here and there. I've continued trying to talk myself down. I try not to place too much in the varying use of past and current tense... all family members are doing this and on its own, I understand this. I can almost appreciate dad's refusal to engage in public banter w/mom. If dad is being completely cooperative w/LE, and has nothing to hide, I can accept him not being out in the media and public. I can explain a lot away by an individual's personality and the way someone copes with grief and an extreme situation like this.... truly, nobody can really say what we would do if we were in this position... even if we are convinced we know what we would be doing.

Unfortunately I'm finding it impossible to buy dad's whole story right now, based on what I've seen and heard from him (and what I haven't seen and heard from him). He's blamed LE on numerous occasions, he doesn't seem to understand that mom's "lashing out" could possibly come from the fact that her son "disappeared" on HIS watch, he really hasn't said one thing showing concern or guilt (not guilt of a crime but what I think would be a natural guilt that one's child went missing in the 4 hours you as a parent were away), and he is completely void of all emotions, imo. EVEN anger when talking about LE's "shortcomings" or his ex wife's blaming him. He seems detached, which I've tried to attribute to the extreme situation he's in, but I don't see that.

I really can't think of one thing he's said or one instance where I heard in his voice anything that strikes me as a grieving parent. But, of course, this doesn't indicate guilt of any sort and could simply be a reflection of his personality. Not everyone is as emotional and obvious as I am, so perhaps he's just reserved and that could be what I'm observing.

All jmo.

 

['Ailina]

You're not alone, Lotus. He strikes me as apathetic.

 

[Linda7NJ]

He seems very guarded, nervous, and negative. My guess is that he's stretching himself to his limits to maintain his composure.

Well in all fairness, who among us wouldn't be?

Remember Mark Lunsford ? He and his parents were dragged through the mud. It was even reported that little Jessica's grandmothers' polygraph was "inconclusive" and Fox News was reporting she failed the poly.

Elizabeth's Smarts dad was also.


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[AlexisFresca]

Well, I tend to agree with him on how Dylan's case has been handled. More should have been done initially for sure.

Unfortunately, we don't have the ability to hear his 911 call to LE and have no idea what he told them. LE can only begin their starting point based on what MR tells them initially.

MR saw the friends before they were interviewed by LE and they were the ones who mentioned hitchhiking. Did he put that idea into their minds or is that actual fact?

Another thing that bothers me, is that when ER wondered if MR did something to 'remove Dylan from the situation' he said she was 'making more of it than need be'. Really? Her son is missing - YOUR son is missing, MR! This is not a misplaced ipod that can resurface when you least expect it.

The family tried to text him and he would not respond. Media tried to contact him and his phone rang and rang and rang. He never complained to the media until now he felt LE was going about it all wrong.

We just don't know because we only have his version of what he tells us. We don't know what was said or done 'behind the scenes' outside talking to LE, like the errands and so on. We only have his word and nothing else to support it either way.

:sigh:


p.s. btw, anyone else find it interesting he hasn't said things like, 'if only I had just made him go with me', 'if only i had this' or 'of only i had that' and so on then he would still be here and not missing.

 

[ICUDOUCME]

It sounds like he just has his backpack with whatever was in it. It doesn't matter though because the person who wrote that was wrong, there was no school that day.

Yeah I just looked there vacation for Thanksgiving was the start of the 19th....so no children were in school.

http://bayfield.k12.co.us/static/cms_page_media/2/BSD 2012-13 Academic Calendar_1.pdf