CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #50

[TxLady2]

Well about 800,000 ppl go missing a year and in the past what 10 yrs 6 have returned (alive) that we are aware of thos are not very good odds.
A few (very few) miracles happen but I do not think we will see a miracle here.

Mark didn't hide him and a stranger didn't abduct him. JMO

I think the number of ones who returned alive would be greater, since we don't hear about every missing person in this country, we usually only hear of the high-profile cases. Not all of these miracle returns are as highly publicized as Jaycee, Elizabeth, Shawn, etc. Six??? My goodness, I'm sure there are many more than that!

I don't know the stats, and don't really care, my point is that giving up is not an option for some. To be painted as unrealistic by those who prefer to believe he's dead, is kind of a slap in the face, IMO.

 

[cluciano63]

I think the number of ones who returned alive would be greater, since we don't hear about every missing person in this country, we usually only hear of the high-profile cases. Not all of these miracle returns are as highly publicized as Jaycee, Elizabeth, Shawn, etc. Six??? My goodness, I'm sure there are many more than that!

I don't know the stats, and don't really care, my point is that giving up is not an option for some. To be painted as unrealistic by those who prefer to believe he's dead, is kind of a slap in the face, IMO.

Who is that "prefers" to believe he is dead?
My original question about believing he is alive was in wondering if the poster had a theory that allowed this to be true.
Hoping he is alive is a given. Hoping and believing are not the same thing to me.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

I think the number of ones who returned alive would be greater, since we don't hear about every missing person in this country, we usually only hear of the high-profile cases. Not all of these miracle returns are as highly publicized as Jaycee, Elizabeth, Shawn, etc. Six??? My goodness, I'm sure there are many more than that!

I don't know the stats, and don't really care, my point is that giving up is not an option for some. To be painted as unrealistic by those who prefer to believe he's dead, is kind of a slap in the face, IMO.

Great post! Many, many missing people are found alive. It may unrealistic to "hope" when for instance, the abductor was found dead by his own hand or when forensic evidence points out significant blood loss of the victim. Hope is not unrealistic in Dylan's case and I would never want to write about such a huge assumption (victim deceased) where the family and friends may be reading when there is no evidence to support it. Fears don't need to be fed and hope needs nourishment. I've read in the past people say they worry about the ultimate disappointment if the victim is found dead and to that argument I say, being aware of a possible bad outcome does not mean one should embrace it prematurely. I will always stand with this family and hope for Dylan in the absence of evidence to the contrary.

 

[*Lash*]

In my opinion, unless LE has evidence of death they must continue to look at both aspects. One being Dylan was abducted and being held somewhere alive. Second, Dylan is deceased and they need to locate his body. I never believed in the runaway theory and LE has even ruled this out. The many HRD hits on the lake with multiple dogs and trainers, along with statements made by MR created a necessary need to search the lake. LE was the first group to search the lake. The family had to go to that awful place thinking Dylan may be in the lake and no longer with us. This thinking is in no way a betrayal, rather THEIR reality. A reality most of us have never had to deal with and hopefully never do. I personally don't think denial is healthy either. The family is tormented with having to face both realities until Dylan is found. They don't have the option to choose one or the other unless LE has evidence pointing in one direction. I don't know why some believe EH has conceded Dylan is deceased. EH continues to ask MR "where is Dylan", an open ended question. Fliers, to this very day are still being printed, shared and displayed by Dylan's family. In my opinion, that is an action showing hope. I personally believe any suggestion Dylan's family has given up hope is ludicrous. My goodness EH is dealing with a missing child, she just buried her mother and her best friend has been diagnosed with stage 4 colon cancer. Suggesting EH is betraying her missing child because she believes her son COULD be deceased is appalling and lacking compassion. At this time EH needs support, thoughts and prayers, not judgement. Helping EH is helping Dylan.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

In my opinion, unless LE has evidence of death they must continue to look at both aspects. One being Dylan was abducted and being held somewhere alive. Second, Dylan is deceased and they need to locate his body. I never believed in the runaway theory and LE has even ruled this out. The many HRD hits on the lake with multiple dogs and trainers, along with statements made by MR created a necessary need to search the lake. LE was the first group to search the lake. The family had to go to that awful place thinking Dylan may be in the lake and no longer with us. This thinking is in no way a betrayal, rather THEIR reality. A reality most of us have never had to deal with and hopefully never do. I personally don't think denial is healthy either. The family is tormented with having to face both realities until Dylan is found. They don't have the option to chose one or the other unless LE has evidence pointing in one direction. I don't know why some believe EH has conceded Dylan is deceased. EH continues to ask MR "where is Dylan", an open ended question. Fliers, to this very day are still being printed, shared and displayed by Dylan's family. In my opinion, that is an action showing hope. I personally believe any suggestion Dylan's family has given up hope is ludicrous. My goodness EH is dealing with a missing child, she just buried her mother and her best friend has been diagnosed with stage 4 colon cancer. Suggesting EH is betraying her missing child because she believes her son COULD be deceased is appalling and lacking compassion. At this time EH needs support, thoughts and prayers, not judgement. Helping EH is helping Dylan.

I hope you don't think that I was saying EH has given up or betrayed Dylan. I don't believe that for a minute. I think that after six months of a missing child, parents would be depressed and feeling pretty powerless. I agree that Dylan's parents need support, thoughts and prayers and not judgement. Helping Dylan's family is helping Dylan. You are so right.

 

[Emma Ems]

I think the number of ones who returned alive would be greater, since we don't hear about every missing person in this country, we usually only hear of the high-profile cases. Not all of these miracle returns are as highly publicized as Jaycee, Elizabeth, Shawn, etc. Six??? My goodness, I'm sure there are many more than that!

I don't know the stats, and don't really care, my point is that giving up is not an option for some. To be painted as unrealistic by those who prefer to believe he's dead, is kind of a slap in the face, IMO.

There were the two boys taken by their parents from their grandmother in FL too. The way the parents did, I really didn't think they had anything left to lose and I did fear the parents would harm these two kids. They were found off the coast of Cuba safe.

The 800,000 quoted is right in the missing count, but the also mean even those who go missing briefly and those who runaway. I think the final result of ABDUCTIONS is somewhere around 55,000-60000. Since those also include parental or family abductions, I doubt all of them are deceased. I do believe if we look at the more recent stats from the past few months, we would find that kids missing for a lengthy time, with the discovery of the girls in Cleveland, and a few of the others we may not be hearing about being found as they were not highly publicized while they were missing, that it's quite possible the odds are turning around to almost equal platform. In other words, it seems recently that there is a 50-50 chance that the missing child could very well still be alive.

MOO.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

In my opinion, unless LE has evidence of death they must continue to look at both aspects. One being Dylan was abducted and being held somewhere alive. Second, Dylan is deceased and they need to locate his body. I never believed in the runaway theory and LE has even ruled this out. The many HRD hits on the lake with multiple dogs and trainers, along with statements made by MR created a necessary need to search the lake. LE was the first group to search the lake. The family had to go to that awful place thinking Dylan may be in the lake and no longer with us. This thinking is in no way a betrayal, rather THEIR reality. A reality most of us have never had to deal with and hopefully never do. I personally don't think denial is healthy either. The family is tormented with having to face both realities until Dylan is found. They don't have the option to chose one or the other unless LE has evidence pointing in one direction. I don't know why some believe EH has conceded Dylan is deceased. EH continues to ask MR "where is Dylan", an open ended question. Fliers, to this very day are still being printed, shared and displayed by Dylan's family. In my opinion, that is an action showing hope. I personally believe any suggestion Dylan's family has given up hope is ludicrous. My goodness EH is dealing with a missing child, she just buried her mother and her best friend has been diagnosed with stage 4 colon cancer. Suggesting EH is betraying her missing child because she believes her son COULD be deceased is appalling and lacking compassion. At this time EH needs support, thoughts and prayers, not judgement. Helping EH is helping Dylan.

Thanks just wasn't enough, excellent post


when LE decided that Dylans disappearance was now a criminal investigation it is my opinion that they must have had good reason for calling it that, more than a disappearance.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/probe-into-missing-dylan-redwine-now-a-criminal-investigation

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I really don't think there are any children who are abducted for at least six months, then found alive, that get zero coverage. Children (now adults) like Jaycee, Shawn, Gina, Michelle, and Amanda were unknown to most Americans when they were missing, but their rescues still managed to get massive media coverage. The idea that there are children who are abducted for 6+ months, and then found alive, and don't get any coverage in this 24/7 media world, with the Internet, etc, not even anything local, is not something I buy. At the very least, there would be local coverage of it, it would be posted here, and we know the name of another child who was found alive after a lengthy period of time.

 

[Salem]

Just curious, based on what?

I know you were addressing SeaJay, here, cluciano - but I have renewed faith and hope that Dylan is still alive also. This renewal comes from some of the words Mark sent out in his latest notice to the media. Just the way he phrased some things, struck me as odd and also gave me new/ stronger hope that Dylan is still alive somewhere.

Salem

 

[Salem]

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Salem

 

[cluciano63]

I know you were addressing SeaJay, here, cluciano - but I have renewed faith and hope that Dylan is still alive also. This renewal comes from some of the words Mark sent out in his latest notice to the media. Just the way he phrased some things, struck me as odd and also gave me new/ stronger hope that Dylan is still alive somewhere.

Salem

But how would he know, unless he is responsible?

As I said, I am not saying that I have lost hope, and of course I wish he is alive. I have just about run out of scenarios, though, that are believable to me. LE has never backed off stating this is a criminal case, since they first said it. And clearly Dylan is not with a parent, as in so many long-term missing child cases.
I also do not believe MR has anyone in his life willing to do prison time on his behalf.

So, to me, if he is alive, that leaves him in the hands of a predator, pretty much, something I do not see as especially hopeful. JMO

 

[Salem]

It's a good question about what MR knows. I would have to go back to the document to point specifically to where MR made statements that made me think he was trying to convey something. One thing he said, that he always says, is something like "Dylan I know you are out there and can see all that is going on" - this is just paraphrasing, but it seems to me that MR says this every time he says something publically.

The repetition of that statement just puzzles me, kwim?

Salem

 

[*Lash*]

I know you were addressing SeaJay, here, cluciano - but I have renewed faith and hope that Dylan is still alive also. This renewal comes from some of the words Mark sent out in his latest notice to the media. Just the way he phrased some things, struck me as odd and also gave me new/ stronger hope that Dylan is still alive somewhere.

Salem

Hi Salem,

Would you be interested in elaborating on what phrases in MR's notice struck you as odd? I can personally say the over use of the word 'safe' stood out to me and the sentence where he mentions working together the more successful his safe return will be.

 

[SCHMAE]

But how would he know, unless he is responsible?

As I said, I am not saying that I have lost hope, and of course I wish he is alive. I have just about run out of scenarios, though, that are believable to me. LE has never backed off stating this is a criminal case, since they first said it. And clearly Dylan is not with a parent, as in so many long-term missing child cases.
I also do not believe MR has anyone in his life willing to do prison time on his behalf.

So, to me, if he is alive, that leaves him in the hands of a predator, pretty much, something I do not see as especially hopeful. JMO

MR knows if he is NOT responsible for Dylan's death . That's one of the few things KNOWN in this case. It's too bad we don't all know it as well as LE. But if MR knows he did not harm Dylan then he's free to believe he could still be alive. IDK .......so sad.

 

[Emma Ems]

May I ask, if for some reason MR believes, for whatever reason he may believe it, even though LE ruled it out, that Dylan may have run away, is it possible that he believes Dylan could be watching all this stuff that is playing out online?

Something in that statement made me think that MR thinks Dylan ran away, I don't know if I was just not understanding his words or he misspoke or what, but he something along the lines of LE didn't think this was a kidnapping until ER put it in their heads it was or at least that was how I read it. I really do not know what to make of it all.

 

[cluciano63]

If Le had any imdication that Dylan was alive, would they have taken part in multiple lake searches,including those last month?

MR's words mean nothing to me. He has a theory a day about Dylan, including that Elaine took him, which is so ridiculously stupid, I can't hear him anymore.

 

[Emma Ems]

If Le had any imdication that Dylan was alive, would they have taken part in multiple lake searches,including those last month?

MR's words mean nothing to me. He has a theory a day about Dylan, including that Elaine took him, which is so ridiculously stupid, I can't hear him anymore.

I would think if they had no indication either way, if Dylan was alive or deceased, they would continue to cover every possible avenue in hopes of it leading somewhere. That's just me though.

 

[cluciano63]

I would think if they had no indication either way, if Dylan was alive or deceased, they would continue to cover every possible avenue in hopes of it leading somewhere. That's just me though.

Also, maybe MR knows Dylan is not in the lake, so he does not bother joining the searchers? Or was he there, in April?

 

[Bayou Mistress]

I would think if they had no indication either way, if Dylan was alive or deceased, they would continue to cover every possible avenue in hopes of it leading somewhere. That's just me though.

Yes, I agree, Emma. They would be remiss if they didn't explore every possibility.

 

[Cherry]

I think every possibility would include every single person that MR had contact with in the months and weeks leading up to that custody visit.