CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #51

[TxJan1971]

here is the link:
http://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com/ci_22110078/dad-its-wait-wonder

When he got back at 11:30, his son's dirty cereal bowl was beside the sink. The television was on Nickelodeon. His son's fishing pole was gone. So was his black-and-gray backpack. A few articles of clothing were left behind on the couch.

"His priority was pretty much with his friends, so I wasn't alarmed," Mark said.

In hindsight, Mark wonders whether Dylan became impatient and hitchhiked. "I can't quite wrap my mind around that yet," he said.

Mark said he tried texting Dylan all afternoon in an area with spotty cellphone service. When he didn't hear anything back by late afternoon, he went to Dylan's friend's house in Vallecito. That friend


An undated photo provided by the La Plata County, Colo., sheriff's office shows Dylan Redwine. Teams are searching around Vallecito Lakes, Colo., for 13-year-old Redwine who has been missing for a week. (La Plata County Sheriff's Office | )hadn't seen him.==================================

So in his interview on 12/2, Mark believed Dylan had gone off with friends, and he noted the pack and pole were gone, so HE TEXTED HIM ALL AFTERNOON, then went and TALKED to the Vallecito friend, and when that friend hadnt heard from him, he became alarmed, and decided to drive to B-town.

IT WAS NOT MY IMAGINATION, thanks.

I believe there are "ADDITIONAL" articles stating the same. I'll continue looking.

 

[The Cheese]

Huh? I thought we here at WS consider MSM as a reliable source? We either do or we don't. We can't pick and choose which MSM statements we accept and which we don't. We do or we don't.

That's not how I understand the WS rules. My understanding is we are each free to give weight or not to the various sources of information. I've seen many people post throughout Dylan's threads, and throughout the cases on here I've read, that they give differing credence MSM content, depending on whether it's a direct quote, or a reporter writing it, and even between direct quotes and a statement on video.

 

[katydid23]

here is the link:
http://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com/ci_22110078/dad-its-wait-wonder

When he got back at 11:30, his son's dirty cereal bowl was beside the sink. The television was on Nickelodeon. His son's fishing pole was gone. So was his black-and-gray backpack. A few articles of clothing were left behind on the couch.

"His priority was pretty much with his friends, so I wasn't alarmed," Mark said.

In hindsight, Mark wonders whether Dylan became impatient and hitchhiked. "I can't quite wrap my mind around that yet," he said.

Mark said he tried texting Dylan all afternoon in an area with spotty cellphone service. When he didn't hear anything back by late afternoon, he went to Dylan's friend's house in Vallecito. That friend


An undated photo provided by the La Plata County, Colo., sheriff's office shows Dylan Redwine. Teams are searching around Vallecito Lakes, Colo., for 13-year-old Redwine who has been missing for a week. (La Plata County Sheriff's Office | )hadn't seen him.==================================

So in his interview on 12/2, Mark believed Dylan had gone off with friends, and he noted the pack and pole were gone, so HE TEXTED HIM ALL AFTERNOON, then went and TALKED to the Vallecito friend, and when that friend hadnt heard from him, he became alarmed, and decided to drive to B-town.

IT WAS NOT MY IMAGINATION, thanks.

COMPARE AND CONTRAST with the new version:

He never bothered to look for the pack, that never occurred to him that first day before he went to look for Dylan. He said very clearly that he did not check until the search dog team asked him about it.

So in this version, he returns home, [and rather than noticing the pole and pack are gone, which makes him text Dylan to see if he is with his friends,] he assumes that Dylan is out alone exploring the rocks and the river, so he takes a nap, no worries.

NOTHING ABOUT DYLAN BEING WITH FRIENDS AND HAVING HIS PACK.

 

[Dee10]

here is the link:
http://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com/ci_22110078/dad-its-wait-wonder

When he got back at 11:30, his son's dirty cereal bowl was beside the sink. The television was on Nickelodeon. His son's fishing pole was gone. So was his black-and-gray backpack. A few articles of clothing were left behind on the couch.

"His priority was pretty much with his friends, so I wasn't alarmed," Mark said.

In hindsight, Mark wonders whether Dylan became impatient and hitchhiked. "I can't quite wrap my mind around that yet," he said.

Mark said he tried texting Dylan all afternoon in an area with spotty cellphone service. When he didn't hear anything back by late afternoon, he went to Dylan's friend's house in Vallecito. That friend


An undated photo provided by the La Plata County, Colo., sheriff's office shows Dylan Redwine. Teams are searching around Vallecito Lakes, Colo., for 13-year-old Redwine who has been missing for a week. (La Plata County Sheriff's Office | )hadn't seen him.==================================

So in his interview on 12/2, Mark believed Dylan had gone off with friends, and he noted the pack and pole were gone, so HE TEXTED HIM ALL AFTERNOON, then went and TALKED to the Vallecito friend, and when that friend hadnt heard from him, he became alarmed, and decided to drive to B-town.

IT WAS NOT MY IMAGINATION, thanks.

That interview was done at his house Sat. or Sun. & it was just after the official interview & search. Any & all details should have been very fresh in his mind, to say the least.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

BBM

11:30 when he got home.

What do you mean? Are you saying Mark said that he noticed the fishing pole was missing immediately upon his arrival home at 11:30?

If you have a link showing that he said he immediately noticed that then please share.

 

[katydid23]

No, sorry, katy, he did not. But you know that, because you posted what he did say.

He said he did not look for the pack until the search dog team arrived. CORRECT???????

 

[The Cheese]

Cheese,
Unless I'm losing my mind completely, I specifically remember this same conversation previously on one of the previous DR threads where WS'ers argued/discussed that MR was standing in the front of his house and there were various MR quotes throughout the article and that folks tended to feel that this was an MR specific interview/MSM article. Even the title indicates this: With Dylan Redwine missing for almost two weeks, dad clings to hope

Not all of MR's statements were quoted - but the article is DEFINITELY all about how MARK feels and what MARK stated and there are related MR quotes. Just not the entire article...

MR was most likely "INTERVIEWED" at his house (thus the photo of him) and these were quotes/statements/words out of his own mouth. How could a reporter make it up?

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_22108222/dad-its-wait-wonder

You'd have to ask all the journalists why they're so sloppy. A good example is take any press release, and then go look at all the articles written based on it, and how they change around what was actually said, often giving it completely different meaning.

 

[The Cheese]

There is an interview where Mark said exactly that. It is not just by my memory. We discussed that earlier interview incessantly, because we spent weeks deciding if there was cell service or not for himm to send those texts.

So do you have a link?

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Funny, I remember not long ago the same people questioning the reliability of MSM where dead set on the last text being sent via the cell phone not the iPod because MB (a reporter) in the MSM said so.

 

[katydid23]

I do not agree. We are reading the same exact thing and coming to two different conclusions. 6 years of journalism in school, and I get the writing, reporting aspect. I understand what is being done. Hopefully I clarified that as best I could. An article would not read well and get boring very quickly if it read like this:

MR got home at 1130 am. He noticed his son missing. He walked to fridge, grabbed a bottled water, noticed a dirty cereal bowl in the sink. The TV was still on, so he cut it off. He went upstairs to take a nap for an hour. He tried to text Dylan, no response. He waited a couple more hours to see if Dylan showed up. Got worried, went to see if he was at a friend's house. Knocked on their doors. First friend was not home. Second friend didn't see him.

Get my drift, that gets old and boring, they have to color it up, sum up some things. It's still accurate if you say those things were gone at the time Dylan went missing, because he wasn't there at that time, and they were believed to be gone with him.

:what: You are now saying that these msm articles DO say he noticed it immediately, BUT THEY LIED TO MAKE IT INTERESTING? :thud: :thud: :thud:

 

[ColdHands]

I don't see how we can really argue this much either. There are missing factors, like where did Dylan put his backpack when they arrived. Did he stow it in a closet? His bedroom? The bathroom? The kitchen? Same with the fishing pole. Where was it located? The reason being, what if it was propped up on a wall next to the fridge? Let's say MR came in, went and got a drink, then went to take a nap. I would say it is very possible that he may have immediately noticed the fishing pole over the backpack. I just think that it's very plausible that MR would not have noticed the backpack until LE asked him about it. I try to think as rationally as I can. Sometimes my kid goes out and plays, runs into friends they hang out, then she decides to stay. MR didn't know what Dylan had done, he could only "guess" as to where Dylan may have been. If he thought he was hanging out somewhere around the house passing time until he MR got back from errands and if it may be usually for Dylan to have seen his friends while "out" or run into one of them at one of his "spots" and just went on with them, then he may not have really considered the that Dylan would have taken the back pack to even think to look for it.

BBM

Good questions, Emma. In my mind's eye, I've been picturing the backpack sitting on a coffee table in the middle of the living room, because that's where my son would probably drop it. But there's absolutely no evidence for that - just something my brain made up. The backpack could have been anywhere, and as uncheck, out of sight out of mind.

Now the fishing pole, that might have been next to the tv, per MR in his heated discussion with CR on the Dr Phil show.

From day 2 of the Dr Phil show transcript posted here on Websleuths
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8952177&postcount=97"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Dylan Redwine *Media , Maps & Timelines*[/ame]

CR:
When you go into your house the fishing pole is in the garage. You didn’t walk through the garage and into the house before you went into the house...

MR:
There’s several places that that fishing pole is… it was either next to the TV

CR:
It’s always in the garage. Then how come that’s the first …you noticed that before his bike? Before his footprints?

 

[katydid23]

So do you have a link?

YES.

http://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com/ci_22110078/dad-its-wait-wonder


By Nancy Lofholm
The Denver Post
Posted: 12/02/2012 12:01:00 AM MST


Mark said he tried texting Dylan all afternoon in an area with spotty cellphone service. When he didn't hear anything back by late afternoon, he went to Dylan's friend's house in Vallecito. That friend hadn't seen him.


[And there is plenty more. please read, it directly conflicts with his new version]

 

[Bayou Mistress]

Funny, I remember not long ago the same people questioning the reliability of MSM where dead set on the last text being sent via the cell phone not the iPod because MB (a reporter) in the MSM said so.

well, that wasn't me because I don't remember that conversation....but I do have to ask if it's okay if people change their minds, their opinions, or the weight they give to a "witness" or reporter? Seems to me that too much "locking down" and "staying firm" might interfere with really looking at things from many angles as we search for what we think is the truth. Or what could be the truth.

 

[Emma Ems]

BBM

Good questions, Emma. In my mind's eye, I've been picturing the backpack sitting on a coffee table in the middle of the living room, because that's where my son would probably drop it. But there's absolutely no evidence for that - just something my brain made up. The backpack could have been anywhere, and as uncheck, out of sight out of mind.

Now the fishing pole, that might have been next to the tv, per MR in his heated discussion with CR on the Dr Phil show.

From day 2 of the Dr Phil show transcript posted here on Websleuths
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Dylan Redwine *Media , Maps & Timelines*

See if it was by the TV and the TV was on when MR got home and if he is one of those energy conservatives, he probably went to turn it off when he realized Dylan was not there, thus noticing it immediately, or as soon as he turned off the TV anyways.

 

[katydid23]

In Mark's new story, he did NOT even think to look for the pack until the question 'was posed' by the Search Dog crew. He said that very clearly in his interview on Sunday.


But in his earlier interviews, which we linked upthread, he already knew the pack was gone when he went to search the lake area and go to Bayfield. Big difference between the two stories.

 

[The Cheese]

I understand your feeling the way you do about reporters.

I also seem to note that we (folks) seem to be willing to make an awful lot of excuses for MR's actions/statements. I'm okay with giving someone a pass, or two, or three. However, when do we call it too many excuses for any one person (not specific to MR)? What's the magic number? I'm certainly willing to cut him/others a break. But how many is too many breaks? For anyone, not just MR?

We say we want to only go with LE statements, but then we have folks who say: "but LE uses deception... LE may not be truthful to the parents". So if LE is being deceptive to MR or ER or others, wouldn't there also be the possibility of them being deceptive to US in their releases? If so, then we can't trust what LE tells us as factual, we can't trust the involved parents because they may be forgetful under stress and not remember from month to month what they previously said, we can't trust a reporter because they don't get it right... so why bother to have any discussions when we can't trust ANYONE or ANYTHING as factual? Why have WS?

KWIM?

(Just frustrated that Dylan hasn't been found yet... Forgive me.)

Wrote a response and am deleting it out. I'm not going to let anyone try to goad me into getting a timeout.

Have a nice day

 

[katydid23]

BBM

Good questions, Emma. In my mind's eye, I've been picturing the backpack sitting on a coffee table in the middle of the living room, because that's where my son would probably drop it. But there's absolutely no evidence for that - just something my brain made up. The backpack could have been anywhere, and as uncheck, out of sight out of mind.

Now the fishing pole, that might have been next to the tv, per MR in his heated discussion with CR on the Dr Phil show.

From day 2 of the Dr Phil show transcript posted here on Websleuths
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Dylan Redwine *Media , Maps & Timelines*

BBM

I think your minds eye is accurate because Mark said in the interview in his livingroom, that Dylan was camped out on the couch and preferred to hang out and sleep right there. No way a 13 yr old boy is going to go put his pack, full of ipods and cell phones and chargers etc, upstairs, when he is sleeping on the livingroom sofa. JMO

 

[ColdHands]

Ok, brain reset for a minute.

We have MR saying on Tricia's show that he didn't think of the backpack right away. We have articles that, to some, read that he noticed it was missing right away.

So what's the concern? Does this prove something either way?

It's getting late and before I strain my brain on this any more I'd like to know why this is turning into such a big issue.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

well, that wasn't me because I don't remember that conversation....but I do have to ask if it's okay if people change their minds, their opinions, or the weight they give to a "witness" or reporter? Seems to me that too much "locking down" and "staying firm" might interfere with really looking at things from many angles as we search for what we think is the truth. Or what could be the truth.

Well...I repeatedly tried to bring up the POSSIBILITY that the last text was sent via the iPod and was repeatedly reminded that MB talked to LE and clearly stated it was sent via the cell phone.

I was accused of calling MB a liar. I tried to explain that no, I didn't think she was a liar but I thought perhaps she was making an ASSUMPTION that it was sent via the cell phone because many people think text = cell phone.

So like I said, ya can't have it both ways. If MB's information about the last text was to be treated as gospel then so is MR's statement regarding when he noticed the backpack being missing (according to MSM).

 

[Deleted member 39678]

That's not how I understand the WS rules. My understanding is we are each free to give weight or not to the various sources of information. I've seen many people post throughout Dylan's threads, and throughout the cases on here I've read, that they give differing credence MSM content, depending on whether it's a direct quote, or a reporter writing it, and even between direct quotes and a statement on video.

I think that you've given a good example of how people should take in information and give it a weight that is proportionate to it's source, the sources reliability and whether the source's information is bolstered by other means. It's not always cut and dried.

I always prefer direct quotes over a reporters take on what someone said or meant. MOO.