CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #51

[DylansMom34]

I'm glad she's going to be on the show too! I thought MR was going to be on, guess I was mistaken or they haven't heard back from him yet. It sure would be nice to get some questions or info straight from him though.

I agree. Plus, I'm curious to hear about his search efforts.

 

[cluciano63]

I agree. Plus, I'm curious to hear about his search efforts.

I am curious to hear any new fact.

 

[Allusonz]

I agree with you, there comes a time in your life when you make the decisions based on the greater good. I know many people that are divorced and/or have blended families and they have no problem letting the children spend time with an ill family member, especially a grandparent. Visitations can be changed and should be changed in situations like that.

I do believe it's called putting others first aka being a parent.

If Dylan had died on the loveseat, it would of been removed as evidence.

Since it was not, I must assume when they used luminol, specific light sources to help them determine where to swab, nothing was found.

 

[ColdHands]

both , also i know there was a search of the house but was dogs brought in at that stage?

I think this is a great question and I wish we had an answer.

 

[Allusonz]

Here is the thing about that. I have seen or heard no one say that EH attempted to reschedule or trade holidays in 2012. Would she have traded Christmas for Thanksgiving? Probably only in retrospect. I don't think a father (or mother) should be expected to just "give up" their parenting/visitation time without some negotiation. Again, no evidence that this was even attempted.

Neither have I.

As well, my own children approached me and stated they wished to remember their nanny "as she use to be" not "how she is now". For some children, this can be traumatic to watch someone die. Not all have the coping mechanisms needed.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

both , also i know there was a search of the house but was dogs brought in at that stage?

DNA can be left behind by a person who is still alive or if they are dead.

While I've read where that the process of human decomposition begins immediately after death, I've never been able to find a study that gives an exact amount of time that must pass before a HRD dog will be able to alert to the scent that is given off. MOO.

I don't know when HRD dogs were first used in this case.

 

[Dee10]

“All the things that have gone on and the conflict between us has put him in a bad situation,” Mark Redwine said. “Is it enough to make him run away? I would choose to say no, but who knows what goes on in a 13-year-old’s head?”

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2013/02/...-dylan-redwines-parents-to-talk-face-to-face/

Seems to me he is throwing out spaghetti to see what sticks no matter how ridiculous it is like running away; a 13 yr. with no money, dead cell phone, doesn't contact anyone, missed his free ride to his friends, on and on and then something terrible must have happened after he ran away? Who knows what goes on in MR's head?

 

[azgrandma]

If Dylan had died on the loveseat, it would of been removed as evidence.

Since it was not, I must assume when they used luminol, specific light sources to help them determine where to swab, nothing was found.

WOW I never heard that nothing was found, do you have a link for that?

I get that if Dylan died on a loveseat they would take the entire loveseat, if IMO they KNEW that was where he died. Without luminol (which we don't know if they used or not) without a body in a loveseat, how would LE determine which parts of what items to swab for DNA? IMO it's a guessing game unless you swab everything.

 

[Allusonz]

Something is tugging at my memory - wasn't there a story that DH/KH had picked an area to organize the big search - the first big search, I think the one Ranch helped with, but then LE changed the location of the search? Sorry no links, it's just something I seem to remember. If true, I wonder why LE would change the location and was the original location ever checked?

I am uncertain how anyone could think that DH had the most up to date grid of searches, as there were probably areas searched that she was not made aware of.

I don't believe it was a matter of a location that was changed, compared to utilizing the resources available to the maximum. As well, LE would be thinking of the safety of those searchers.

The main search focused on what the media reported on.

What LE did not reveal were the areas that other groups searched on the QT.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

WOW I never heard that nothing was found, do you have a link for that?

I get that if Dylan died on a loveseat they would take the entire loveseat, if IMO they KNEW that was where he died. Without luminol (which we don't know if they used or not) without a body in a loveseat, how would LE determine which parts of what items to swab for DNA? IMO it's a guessing game unless you swab everything.

I believe the used luminol based on the search warrant for the house. And they would have swabbed before luminol for DNA because after luminol can cause the degradation of DNA and render it no longer useful. And it doesn't look as if they swabbed everywhere. Not by a long shot.

 

[Allusonz]

WOW I never heard that nothing was found, do you have a link for that?

I get that if Dylan died on a loveseat they would take the entire loveseat, if IMO they KNEW that was where he died. Without luminol (which we don't know if they used or not) without a body in a loveseat, how would LE determine which parts of what items to swab for DNA? IMO it's a guessing game unless you swab everything.

Neither have I!!

Did LE removed the loveseat as evidence?

 

[Allusonz]

No

I was still on your question of why it took so long on the search warrants. And I didn't necessarily mean forensic evidence, just something that belonged to Dylan. Just wondering if that would have been enough to change the direction of the investigation and precipitate the SW's. Don't know, just thinkin

Maybe items had been removed from the searches Mark consented to previous to the SW.

 

[Allusonz]

That's a really good question. When were the first searches - I mean on the ground, not the lake? Maybe they found articles belonging to Dylan?

Monday, the day he went missing, as per the press release and the various MSM articles.

 

[azgrandma]

If Dylan had died on the loveseat, it would of been removed as evidence.

Since it was not, I must assume when they used luminol, specific light sources to help them determine where to swab, nothing was found.

Neither have I!!

Did LE removed the loveseat as evidence?

BBM - I was jumping off of your example "if Dylan had died on a loveseat". I don't know if LE took a loveseat or not, I would imagine that it would have been in a msm or on receipt that was posted here.

I am just wondering if there is a link stating that "nothing was found" because there are so many msm links that it's impossible IMO to remember them all, since you mentioned it I was hoping you could provide the link. If not, then IMO it's incorrect because we know from the SW receipts that swabs were taken but we don't know for fact that nothing was found. Perhaps if you have a starting point on a link I can help you find it in the thread. TIA

 

[MissJ]

(((MissJ))) so glad there were others present; pent up rage can happen at any time with any warning, even from those we think are "easy going". So glad you are safe. :seeya:

---

Am also look forward to hearing Elaine tonight. It would be great if Mark would also be a future guest.

Thank you because I am flabbergasted by what happened. But I am lucky to be alive. Love U

 

[Allusonz]

I did not mean to say that you thought they were lying. Just that I do not see where it would get them to even exaggerate any such tendencies or incidents, as that would not help find Dylan. No one, IMO, wants LE focusing their attention in the wrong place.

Neither do I see what is to be gained by an individual doing this, yet repeatedly I see people file reports with the police that turn out to be unfounded. Conversely, I see ones filed that are legitimate.

The fact remains we are in a he said:she said.

Soloman Metawala comes to mind here where he was accused of abusing his children in more than one way, on more than one occassion, and the allegations proved to be unfounded.

 

[Allusonz]

BBM - I was jumping off of your example "if Dylan had died on a loveseat". I don't know if LE took a loveseat or not, I would imagine that it would have been in a msm or on receipt that was posted here.

I am just wondering if there is a link stating that "nothing was found" because there are so many msm links that it's impossible IMO to remember them all, since you mentioned it I was hoping you could provide the link. If not, then IMO it's incorrect because we know from the SW receipts that swabs were taken but we don't know for fact that nothing was found. Perhaps if you have a starting point on a link I can help you find it in the thread. TIA

Again, if evidence had been found to support the fact that Dylan never woke up since he slept on the loveseat, it would of been removed.

Just like if a evidence had been found in a vehicle, that vehicle is now evidence and it would not be returned.

In the MB interview, I did not see that it had been removed.

 

[Allusonz]

Several little children have been killed by a parent due to potty training issues. I imagine a teen boy could unwittingly provoke a parent prone to violence in many ways. Teens can be very provoking on many levels, just being themselves. JMO

Younger children have less options available to them. One being age.

Teenagers have additional options available to them. One cannot compare apples and oranges.

 

[azgrandma]

Again, if evidence had been found to support the fact that Dylan never woke up since he slept on the loveseat, it would of been removed.

Just like if a evidence had been found in a vehicle, that vehicle is now evidence and it would not be returned.

In the MB interview, I did not see that it had been removed.

Thanks, then I guess that means we don't know for certain that nothing was found. Glad that has been cleared up to be rumor and I can stop searching the msms.

IMO LE does not take absolutely everything and keep everything until trial. They get their chance and some items do have to be returned. IIRC correctly Drew Petersen got his computers and vehicles back and there had been evidence taken from both. He was convicted of murdering his wife in the bathtub but that was never removed.

 

[Allusonz]

What if MR was angry not at Dylan but because of Dylan? We know Dylan had been moved six hours away from his father, we know that custody was changed to MR's disadvantage, we know that child support was changed to MR's disadvantage, <modsnip>, we know that Dylan spoke to the family court Judge in private, with sealed records. All of that paints a picture to me of an MR whose world is crumbling, and there before him is the one person who represents all of that - Dylan himself. Not Dylan's mom, not the attorneys, not the judge, not Cory, not MH, but Dylan.

And then Dylan is a day late getting there, cutting into MR's time with his son. Dylan's tired, he's probably cranky and hungry, he's distracted texting all his friends, he's frustrated with the poor cell reception, his dad won't let him visit his friends that night..........

Add that in to MR's obvious (to me) lack of emotional maturity and I can see a lot of reasons why anger might have been a factor in whatever happened to Dylan. And that could have been expressed in either some premeditated act of abduction/hiding, or impulsive physical violence/harm to Dylan.

I disagree. MOO