CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #51

[Emma Ems]

I would bet they already have their searchers ready and organized. If so there's no need for a public appeal for help.

My thoughts are this: If it's massive and you want to cover a larger area span, well, the more the merrier. You could have more volunteers, maybe some that couldn't make it to earlier searches since many of them were kind of on a quick planning whim due to the urgency. You can have more people now, if you organize and ask for help and with more searchers, you can get more ground covered. MOO.

 

[katydid23]

Seems like MR might be doing the same.

But in the case of the mail lady, there WAS a public notation, posted on the FMDR FB, stating that the boys came forward, that had MISTAKENLY id'd as Dylan and a friend.

So, imo, there is some credibility to that text she sent. It did not come out of the blue. There are even posts here on WS, showing that we discussed that very thing back in December. So Elaine was telling the truth about LE telling HER and Denise about the sighting being debunked. So it is hard to believe they never told Mark that too.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I do hope that after the mediation, both MR and EH will be active in the upcoming search. I do wonder where the search would be, MR is very certain that Dylan is not in LaPlata county, where would they start?

Unless MR has something specific in mind, sadly I don't think searching outside of La Plata is feasible. I wonder if he just spouted off with that or he really thinks that for some specific reason. It would be nice to hear his reasoning.

 

[katydid23]

My thoughts are this: If it's massive and you want to cover a larger area span, well, the more the merrier. You could have more volunteers, maybe some that couldn't make it to earlier searches since many of them were kind of on a quick planning whim due to the urgency. You can have more people now, if you organize and ask for help and with more searchers, you can get more ground covered. MOO.

Sometimes LE does not like too many volunteers. It can get chaotic and unwieldy. Sometimes it can do more harm than good if there are too many people. They often prefer to go with a majority of LE and Professional searchers in the group. And if you get too many inexperienced volunteers, problems arise.

ETA: Each small group has to have one LE officer in it. If too many volunteers show up, then they cannot manage that.

 

[Emma Ems]

But in the case of the mail lady, there WAS a public notation, posted on the FMDR FB, stating that the boys came forward, that had MISTAKENLY id'd as Dylan and a friend.

So, imo, there is some credibility to that text she sent. It did not come out of the blue. There are even posts here on WS, showing that we discussed that very thing back in December. So Elaine was telling the truth about LE telling HER and Denise about the sighting being debunked. So it is hard to believe they never told Mark that too.

Before or after DP, when LE released their press release about it?

Then again here lies another issue. What if LE told ER that fact, but did not tell MR and since they were not communicating about it, how can she be so sure MR knew? Just because FMDR says it, does not make it true(to MR) he could have called LE and asked about it and they could have told him something different. The thing is, we don't know what LE may tell each of them. They may tell him some things and not her and vice versa.

 

[asyousay]

Being from London there are CCTV cameras on nearly every street and i am wondering if MR did leave his home on Sunday evening after 10pm would there be CCTV as its such a rural area ?

 

[Emma Ems]

Sometimes LE does not like too many volunteers. It can get chaotic and unwieldy. Sometimes it can do more harm than good if there are too many people. They often prefer to go with a majority of LE and Professional searchers in the group. And if you get too many inexperienced volunteers, problems arise.

ETA: Each small group has to have one LE officer in it. If too many volunteers show up, then they cannot manage that.

I did not hear her say this was a LE search. Or a search organized by LE. If LE wants any volunteers they will usually ask for them publicly do they not?

 

[katydid23]

Before or after DP, when LE released their press release about it?

Before, in December, just like Elaine said in her text to the radio show.

There are posts in our media section, by TXJan, denoting the announcement on FB, that the boys came forward, and one looked just like Dylan, but wasnt him.

 

[katydid23]

I did not hear her say this was a LE search. Or a search organized by LE. If LE wants any volunteers they will usually ask for them publicly do they not?

If it is going to be a massive search, usually LE is going to be involved. JMO

 

[Ghostwheel]

My thoughts are this: If it's massive and you want to cover a larger area span, well, the more the merrier. You could have more volunteers, maybe some that couldn't make it to earlier searches since many of them were kind of on a quick planning whim due to the urgency. You can have more people now, if you organize and ask for help and with more searchers, you can get more ground covered. MOO.

I wish that were the case, but more is not always better in searches. On some of the searches I have been on, they have to surreptitiously weed out people who will not be good searchers. (for example, a bad searcher can be worse than no searcher, because you think an area was covered, but they were too busy chatting about how EXCITING this all is to have actually looked at anything, or someone who really cannot walk well enough to keep up or go the distance). It also depends on the organization of the search. People should be trained on how to walk together so you don't miss any areas, how to approach something that might be evidence, how to mark it, what to look for that could easily be missed, what the signal is for when you find something. You can't really just gather a bunch of people and say "Go look over there." Well, you can, but it might not be effective.

 

[Emma Ems]

Before, in December, just like Elaine said in her text to the radio show.

There are posts in our media section, by TXJan, denoting the announcement on FB, that the boys came forward, and one looked just like Dylan, but wasnt him.

You are assuming that MR reads that page, and also that MR believes them over LE. What reason would he have to believe them over LE? And also what if he saw it and called LE and "asked" about it and LE told him something different. Again, LE could have told ER one thing and MR another.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Being from London there are CCTV cameras on nearly every street and i am wondering if MR did leave his home on Sunday evening after 10pm would there be CCTV as its such a rural area ?

I'm not from Colorado, by we don't have CCTV cameras on every street where I live. I think half the people would come unglued if the government tried to do that. (and the other half would think it was a good idea, because that is just how life goes)

 

[Emma Ems]

If it is going to be a massive search, usually LE is going to be involved. JMO

I wonder how many searches have occurred where LE was not present?

 

[Emma Ems]

I wish that were the case, but more is not always better in searches. On some of the searches I have been on, they have to surreptitiously weed out people who will not be good searchers. (for example, a bad searcher can be worse than no searcher, because you think an area was covered, but they were too busy chatting about how EXCITING this all is to have actually looked at anything, or someone who really cannot walk well enough to keep up or go the distance). It also depends on the organization of the search. People should be trained on how to walk together so you don't miss any areas, how to approach something that might be evidence, how to mark it, what to look for that could easily be missed, what the signal is for when you find something. You can't really just gather a bunch of people and say "Go look over there." Well, you can, but it might not be effective.

When I think of massive search, I think of the one like Ransom went on. 300 volunteers. IIRC wasn't there something posted asking for volunteers for that?

 

[Ghostwheel]

I wonder how many searches have occurred where LE was not present?

All of Mark's, at least, except for the one big search he went on. I think I have seen others where small groups went out. Anyone can go out for a hike and search while they are doing it, so it would be hard to keep track.

Or are you talking about large scale searches?

 

[Bayou Mistress]

I wonder how many searches have occurred where LE was not present?

I don't know, but I do know that EH did not mention law enforcement in the massive search that she said "we are working on..."

 

[Bayou Mistress]

All of Mark's, at least, except for the one big search he went on. I think I have seen others where small groups went out. Anyone can go out for a hike and search while they are doing it, so it would be hard to keep track.

Or are you talking about large scale searches?

BBM-

So, any recreational activity in La Plata County could be called going on a search? As long as a little looking around took place?

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

My thoughts are this: If it's massive and you want to cover a larger area span, well, the more the merrier. You could have more volunteers, maybe some that couldn't make it to earlier searches since many of them were kind of on a quick planning whim due to the urgency. You can have more people now, if you organize and ask for help and with more searchers, you can get more ground covered. MOO.

Well...from what I've seen on both sides with regard to crazy folks inserting themselves into this case, I don't think that's necessarily a good idea-or safe for that matter. IMO there are some mentally unstable folks on both sides and to bring them together in the same room-or same forest for that matter, is dangerous IMO and you would just be asking for trouble. It's very sad it has gone this far. Hopefully they are choosing their searchers wisely.

 

[Emma Ems]

All of Mark's, at least, except for the one big search he went on. I think I have seen others where small groups went out. Anyone can go out for a hike and search while they are doing it, so it would be hard to keep track.

Or are you talking about large scale searches?

Yes large scale ones. I could see not asking for volunteers for a smaller search, but I could for a larger one. I also have a hard time understanding if a large search is coming that with two weeks to go, roughly, you wouldn't have details on it. That's just me though. I like to be organized and have a game plan in motion.

 

[Ghostwheel]

When I think of massive search, I think of the one like Ransom went on. 300 volunteers. IIRC wasn't there something posted asking for volunteers for that?

Oh. That's not a massive search to me. My mistake. Mine are more like 2000 people searching.