CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #51

[asyousay]

You are assuming that MR reads that page, and also that MR believes them over LE. What reason would he have to believe them over LE? And also what if he saw it and called LE and "asked" about it and LE told him something different. Again, LE could have told ER one thing and MR another.

A question for anybody that believes MR was oblivious to the fact the child spotted by the postman was not Dylan


Why on earth would MR not be on at LE to do more to spread the word that Dylan was infact seen on Monday afternoon as after all this would of been the only break in the case so far?

It makes no sense for LE not to have done more if Dylan had been seen that afternoon as it changed things and so did MR never wonder why LE was not out in the media asking people to think back to Monday afternoon and to anymore possible witnesses ?

 

[Emma Ems]

Well...from what I've seen on both sides with regard to crazy folks inserting themselves into this case, I don't think that's necessarily a good idea-or safe for that matter. IMO there are some mentally unstable folks on both sides and to bring them together in the same room-or same forest for that matter, is dangerous IMO and you would just be asking for trouble. It's very sad it has gone this far. Hopefully they are choosing their searchers wisely.

If LE is to be at this search wouldn't they be able to weed out those people?

 

[Bayou Mistress]

Well...from what I've seen on both sides with regard to crazy folks inserting themselves into this case, I don't think that's necessarily a good idea-or safe for that matter. IMO there are some mentally unstable folks on both sides and to bring them together in the same room-or same forest for that matter, is dangerous IMO and you would just be asking for trouble. It's very sad it has gone this far. Hopefully they are choosing their searchers wisely.

Your comment while true about the apparently unstable, makes me wonder if they chose to leave MR out at times.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Being from London there are CCTV cameras on nearly every street and i am wondering if MR did leave his home on Sunday evening after 10pm would there be CCTV as its such a rural area ?

Are you talking public or private camera's? Public not likely, but many private persons now have camera's around their homes.

 

[Emma Ems]

Your comment while true about the apparently unstable, makes me wonder if they chose to leave MR out at times.

Do you mean like for his personal safety?

 

[ColdHands]

Being from London there are CCTV cameras on nearly every street and i am wondering if MR did leave his home on Sunday evening after 10pm would there be CCTV as its such a rural area ?

Not in such a backroad area IMO. However his neighbor does have a streaming webcam (okielegacy.us) Because it's a Ustream cam I don't know if it has the ability (or if Ustream has the ability) to save footage.

Also there was at one time a web cam at Vallecito Reservoir, but it's never been up since I myself started checking, oh, back in January I think it was. (http://www.docsmarina.com/)

I also believe that Homeland Security rules require security video monitoring of the dam, but that's entirely my own opinion based on things I read about dams, and not based on anything specific to Vallecito Dam.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...hick-folder-full-of-tips-on-missing-boys-case

The Task Force has asked the public for recreational video footage or photographs that include vehicles traveling between Durango and Vallecito Lake, taken between 6 p.m. on Sunday, Nov. 18 through noon on Monday, Nov. 19.

Which now that I read that, looks odd to me. Because does that "recreational" adjective intentionally exclude "commercial" video - ie, security video from businesses? Maybe because they had already contacted all the businesses and obtained security camera footage?

Bender alluded to videos and photos that the Task Force has received in a written statement, but refused to say more.

"As this is an ongoing criminal investigation, the Task Force cannot comment on details about the search of Mark Redwine's home, details about video and photographs from community members that are being analyzed, or any other details on the investigation," said Dan Bender, public information officer for the La Plata County Sheriff’s Office.

 

[caffeinejean]

All of Mark's, at least, except for the one big search he went on. I think I have seen others where small groups went out. Anyone can go out for a hike and search while they are doing it, so it would be hard to keep track.

Or are you talking about large scale searches?

Interesting that his searches are all by his lonesome when the community has asked for direction and help for planning searches over the months. I hope he was under surveillance on his individual searches especially in the early days.

 

[Ghostwheel]

BBM-

So, any recreational activity in La Plata County could be called going on a search? As long as a little looking around took place?

If something is being searched for, even a little, it is a search by the people involved. It does not mean it is an "official search" or a good search. It could be a really pathetic search. "Looking around" is not the same as searching. I was trying to determine what kind of search Emma was asking about.

 

[Emma Ems]

Oh. That's not a massive search to me. My mistake. Mine are more like 2000 people searching.

Yeah I can see how that would be a problem, are there even that many people in population in Bayfield?

 

[Emma Ems]

If something is being searched for, even a little, it is a search by the people involved. It does not mean it is an "official search" or a good search. It could be a really pathetic search. "Looking around" is not the same as searching. I was trying to determine what kind of search Emma was asking about.

I thought that search seemed to be pretty well organized. And I was thinking LE asked for volunteers. I could be wrong about that, but compared to the other recent searches I would imagine something like the like Ransom went on, to be massive(for this case anyways.) You know, imagine if you could have one of those types of searches every day for two weeks, I wonder how much ground they could get covered?

 

[azgrandma]

You are assuming that MR reads that page, and also that MR believes them over LE. What reason would he have to believe them over LE? And also what if he saw it and called LE and "asked" about it and LE told him something different. Again, LE could have told ER one thing and MR another.

BBM - IMO the ONLY reason LE would tell one parent one thing and the other parent something else would be because they don't want a particular parent to know specifics. Good point that you have there, LE could have lied to someone.

IMO since LE came out with a press release discounting the sighting by the mail carrier, we know which parent was not told the truth if we follow your thinking.

 

[asyousay]

Are you talking public or private camera's? Public not likely, but many private persons now have camera's around their homes.

Public , I am just used to them in London now . Even tho more than half of them probably don't even work and are meant just as a deterrent .

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Your comment while true about the apparently unstable, makes me wonder if they chose to leave MR out at times.

I don't know. Perhaps, if they thought having him there could cause more harm than good or put anyone in danger, they may choose not to invite him. I would hope that in the event that he does go on this upcoming search, those involved in searching could be civil enough to focus on the task at hand. FINDING DYLAN! It seems that so many are caught up in the bickering that they have forgotten about Dylan.

I don't think Elaine said one way or the other whether LE would be involved in the upcoming search and although they haven't announced any details about it that doesn't mean it's not well organized.

 

[Emma Ems]

Interesting that his searches are all by his lonesome when the community has asked for direction and help for planning searches over the months. I hope he was under surveillance on his individual searches especially in the early days.

Seeing some of the things posted about him, I wouldn't really blame him if he didn't search. If also wouldn't blame him for searching alone either, how is he suppose to know who he can really trust after all that. I could see someone who was "upset" with him trying to get close to him with the guise of "helping" him, if they were unstable enough to actually try to hurt him.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Public , I am just watched to them in London now . Even tho more than half of them probably don't even work and are meant just as a deterrent .

No not in rural areas like this. Perhaps here and there at key area's such as the lake but even that's unlikely IMO.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Yeah I can see how that would be a problem, are there even that many people in population in Bayfield?

I was thinking Bayfield, with Durango would. I have to keep remembering that driving for a half hour to an hour where I live is the norm. It's not something people avoid like the plague, so any neighboring cities would join in. And that it might not be like that other places.

 

[Lordeebee]

:floorlaugh:

I wasn't even irked by the question, in my rambling I misworded. Whoops. The rebuttal from ER after he answered the question. Just so I can clarify that. I wanted to hear his answers for some questions we had. In my mind we already know what ER thinks about the mail lady, I do believe somewhere before she has addressed it, so, why the interjection. Again, I just ASSumed that when that text came in all the other ones Tricia mentioned earlier were from ER and I was annoyed for all the aforementioned reasons.

I had never heard what Elaine said about the mail lady. I had heard that she figured the sighting had been discounted, but not that she believed that the mail lady did not even know Dylan.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Seeing some of the things posted about him, I wouldn't really blame him if he didn't search. If also wouldn't blame him for searching alone either, how is he suppose to know who he can really trust after all that. I could see someone who was "upset" with him trying to get close to him with the guise of "helping" him, if they were unstable enough to actually try to hurt him.

I could see that being a concern for both sides not just MR. It doesn't seem to be stopping Elaine from searching. After all there are those that support MR and do not particularly seem to like her and appear to be a little unstable too IMO. So it seems she has put the need to find her son before her own fears. That's what parents do.

 

[Emma Ems]

Not in such a backroad area IMO. However his neighbor does have a streaming webcam (okielegacy.us) Because it's a Ustream cam I don't know if it has the ability (or if Ustream has the ability) to save footage.

Also there was at one time a web cam at Vallecito Reservoir, but it's never been up since I myself started checking, oh, back in January I think it was. (http://www.docsmarina.com/)

I also believe that Homeland Security rules require security video monitoring of the dam, but that's entirely my own opinion based on things I read about dams, and not based on anything specific to Vallecito Dam.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...hick-folder-full-of-tips-on-missing-boys-case



Which now that I read that, looks odd to me. Because does that "recreational" adjective intentionally exclude "commercial" video - ie, security video from businesses? Maybe because they had already contacted all the businesses and obtained security camera footage?

When I think of recreational video though, it makes me think of when you are doing things like hiking, fishing, camping, etc(at least for that area,) which makes me then wonder, how many people recreationally take videos of vehicles driving down the road? I have a camera outside my house, but it's trained on my personal drive and not on the road. So most personal security cameras should, you would think anyways, be trained on the house(POE, Drives, Yards, etc not really on passing traffic, huh?)

 

[Bayou Mistress]

BBM - IMO the ONLY reason LE would tell one parent one thing and the other parent something else would be because they don't want a particular parent to know specifics. Good point that you have there, LE could have lied to someone.

IMO since LE came out with a press release discounting the sighting by the mail carrier, we know which parent was not told the truth if we follow your thinking.

Up until the press release defining the last texting activity from Dylan, EH was telling everyone the wrong time. So, IMO, she was not in the loop, learned things after presenting them as fact and she was inaccurate. <mod snip> No one has been cleared.