CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #51

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  • #881
If the backpack only was in the lake, that wouldn't be picked up by sonar, would it?
I ask this because, it seems like whatever happened to Dylan's phone happened around eight, when it stopped registering on Elaine's phone bill. In the interview with Melissa, MR says he remembers Dylan texting around the time they came past the dam.

That's interesting, because if he last texted with his cell around 8, and they were still on the road, then why would MR say that Dylan was sitting on the couch at home texting while they watched the film?
 
  • #882
I think Dylan went into the lake and the backpack went into a dumpster somewhere on MRs travels.
 
  • #883
Why didn't MR keep in touch with his son over the months since his last visit?
By the conversation they had described by MR this was like the first they spoke since his last visit!


JM Assumptions

From what ER and MR BOTH said, MR would text D, but he did not reply. MR said that didnt bother him, he assumed D was busy, or something.
 
  • #884
From what ER and MR BOTH said, MR would text D, but he did not reply. MR said that didnt bother him, he assumed D was busy, or something.

Why not call?
Could it be Dylan did not want to talk to him?

Just a thought!
 
  • #885
Why not call?
Could it be Dylan did not want to talk to him?

Just a thought!

Has MR confirmed that he didn't talk or text with Dylan between the Labor Day Holiday and his visit at Thanksgiving? Unless he or the phone company confirms it, I can't give the claim any credence. To me, it looks like a way to undermine the father-son relationship. Maybe if MR is back on Tricia's show we could ask.
 
  • #886
I think Dylan went into the lake and the backpack went into a dumpster somewhere on MRs travels.

This scenario is why I've always felt the landfill should have been searched. I don't know for a fact that it was not, but I never read that it was.
 
  • #887
If somebody else did take Dylan then why has MR behaved like he has since his son went missing ? :cow:

A few example's off the top of my head and please feel to add to these or tell me these are wrong.

1) Agreeing to take a polygraph and then drinking the night before so he was unable to take it the following day

2) Going on the Dr Phil show and saying Dylan had been seen on Monday afternoon despite as of December LE saying all sightings had been discounted

3) saying it was 1-2 days later before he noticed Dylan backpack being missing but in another statement posted by TXjan1971 Mark was quoted as saying he noticed the backpack was gone straight away along with the fishing pole

" When he (MR) returned at 11:30 a.m., he said Dylan was gone, as was his backpack."


4) Dylan's friend T was not home when he went looking for Dylan and in another statement Dylan's friend T was home and he spoke to him


How can anybody get so confused if they are telling the god's honest truth !
 
  • #888
I think Dylan went into the lake and the backpack went into a dumpster somewhere on MRs travels.

Quite possible.

One scenario I had considered was that Dylan and MR were already having a difficult time of it by the time they entered Walmart. As they came to the place where cell phone picked up again, MR lost it and heaved the backpack into the lake. There could have been a struggle for the back pack or after it was heaved. Dylan was hurt, MR ignored that. Dylan made it to MR's house but didn't make it through the night. MR, unable to accept any kind of responsibility for anything, proceeded with a cover-up attempt.

So we are sort of are on the same wave length. Only I have it in reverse order. (Back pack in the lake and MR having transported Dylan somewhere or hidden him on the property.) But I have never really thought of MR transporting Dylan or evidence out of the area on his work travels. Very interesting thought.
 
  • #889
ColdHands - Those of us following the case from the beginning have, I think, learned a lot over the past six months. You're correct in saying that the core fact, that, over 6 months ago, Dylan Redwine disappeared within the first 24 hours of his visit with his father is unchanged.

However, let me provide just one example - In the early stages of the discussion here, people were speculating that the reason why Dylan was never heard from again after approximately 9:37 that first evening was because his cell phone broke. We now know, thanks to Mark Redwine's confirmation, as well as other sources, that wi-fi, a landline, an ipod, and a computer to which Dylan knew the password were all available for communication. This is an important fact, IMO, as it limits some sources of speculation.


I can think of at least 10 other things we now know as _fact_ that we did not know at the beginning of the case. People can, of course, dismiss them as they see fit -- seeing a conspiracy of sloppy reporters, incompetent LE, etc., etc., but many of them add up for me when taken in the aggregate. Though I will admit upfront that I am, in general, a supporter of, and believer in, the integrity of LE -- especially when you have agencies including the CBI and the Federal Bureau of Investigation working collaboratively. Of course we can argue about minutiae, and parse (!) sentences till the cows come home, but looked at from a perspective of distance, with all personalities removed, the path is narrowing, IMO.

Thank you.

Also, MR nullified one of his strongest 'explanations' for why he was not worried when he returned to the empty cabin. It was said here, in his defense, that he likely saw the pack was gone and just assumed that D had gotten a ride to Bayfield already. So there was no reason to worry, and he just texted his son to make sure, and that is not unusual behavior on the fathers part. I think that was the strongest explanation, imo.

But NOW he says that he came back to the empty cabin, Dylan was 'nowhere to be found' ----but he was not concerned because D has been known to wander around by himself down by the river. So he takes a nap. He does not even think to check to see if the backpack is gone. He just assumes D is wandering around alone in the immediate area.

That ^^^^ is a much less convincing explanation, given other things we already know, imo. We KNOW that he had promised D he would be back at 11 to give him a ride. So why did he assume that D was out wandering at the riverbank, and not on his way to B-town?

And why didn't he think to look for the backpack? I must sound like a broken record, but it is so very odd, and not that believable, in my opinion. I have come home to an empty house or vacation cabin, expecting to see my kids. And the very FIRST thing I do, after checking for a note explaining their absence, is to look and see if they took purses, packs, cellphones, wallets, etc.

If their swimsuits and towels are gone, that is a big clue. But if their wallets and cells and purse/packs are gone, whole different scenario. So I find it odd that he would report D missing without even looking to see if the backpack was gone.
 
  • #890
If somebody else did take Dylan then why has MR behaved like he has since his son went missing ? :cow:

A few example's off the top of my head and please feel to add to these or tell me these are wrong.

1) Agreeing to take a polygraph and then drinking the night before so he was unable to take it the following day

2) Going on the Dr Phil show and saying Dylan had been seen on Monday afternoon despite as of December LE saying all sightings had been discounted

3) saying it was 1-2 days later before he noticed Dylan backpack being missing but in another statement posted by TXjan1971 Mark was quoted as saying he noticed the backpack was gone straight away along with the fishing pole

" When he (MR) returned at 11:30 a.m., he said Dylan was gone, as was his backpack."


4) Dylan's friend T was not home when he went looking for Dylan and in another statement Dylan's friend T was home and he spoke to him


How can anybody get so confused if they are telling the god's honest truth !

And if he is 100% INNOCENT, why wouldn't he speak to Elaine or Cory right at the start? It is not like he spoke to her a few times and THEN blocked her. He blocked her calls from the very start of this tragedy. That seems like an indication of consciousness of guilt, imo.

ETA: I acted out quite a bit as an adolescent. Having been a victim of sexual abuse as a child, and keeping it secret from my family because it was a family member, it blew up in my teens and I was using drugs/alcohol and being promiscuous for a few years. My mother did not understand WHY and was very exasperated. I tried NOT to discuss anything with her. But on the few times i was INNOCENT, and she thought I did something, I always talked to her and explained my innocence and usually cleared it up. But if I was guilty as charged, I ignored her calls. :angel:
 
  • #891
IMO - the only reason he would not look for the backpack is because he already knew where it had gone . The same way the fishing pole was noted as missing was because he I think has left it wherever Dylan is and that was going to be a excuse for Dylan's Accident (this idea I go to and fro on )

:moo:
 
  • #892
And if he is 100% INNOCENT, why wouldn't he speak to Elaine or Cory right at the start? It is not like he spoke to her a few times and THEN blocked her. He blocked her calls from the very start of this tragedy. That seems like an indication of consciousness of guilt, imo.

ETA: I acted out quite a bit as an adolescent. Having been a victim of sexual abuse as a child, and keeping it secret from my family because it was a family member, it blew up in my teens and I was using drugs/alcohol and being promiscuous for a few years. My mother did not understand WHY and was very exasperated. I tried NOT to discuss anything with her. But on the few times i was INNOCENT, and she thought I did something, I always talked to her and explained my innocence and usually cleared it up. But if I was guilty as charged, I ignored her calls. :angel:


Pretty much none of his actions speak of a innocent man. He does seem to be hiding something but unless LE have something i doubt we will ever get the truth :cow: :moo:


And i am sorry to hear about your past. I am such a spoiled brat (even at 26) and story's like these make me realize i never knew how easy i had it as a child and i should be ashamed .
 
  • #893
Pretty much none of his actions speak of a innocent man. He does seem to be hiding something but unless LE have something i doubt we will ever get the truth :cow: :moo:


And i am sorry to hear about your past. I am such a spoiled brat (even at 26) and story's like these make me realize i never knew how easy i had it as a child and i should be ashamed .

Don't be ashamed/ LOL And truthfully, I had it pretty good too. I had very loving parents and grandparents and a pretty idyllic childhood. Except for my twisted uncle, that is.

And I agree, his actions make little sense.
 
  • #894
Something that doesn't make much sense to me is that Mark went and reported D missing at the Marshalls office BEFORE he even talked to ER or CR, to see if they had heard from Dylan, and BEFORE he checked to see if D had taken his backpack with him.

Wouldn't he have checked with ER and CR first, to make sure they hadn't heard from him?
Maybe he had called them and told them he was at a friends or had wanted to return home and called them for a ride? It seems odd that he reported him missing before checking with them, imo.
 
  • #895
Has MR confirmed that he didn't talk or text with Dylan between the Labor Day Holiday and his visit at Thanksgiving? Unless he or the phone company confirms it, I can't give the claim any credence. To me, it looks like a way to undermine the father-son relationship. Maybe if MR is back on Tricia's show we could ask.

Mark did confirm this , IIRC. I will have to try and find the statement and the links. [ Does anyone else remember which interview it was where he said he texted D, but D would not reply? ]
 
  • #896
Why didn't MR keep in touch with his son over the months since his last visit?
By the conversation they had described by MR this was like the first they spoke since his last visit!
JM Assumptions

I think you are right because Dylan moved to CS at the end of July and he started school in the middle of August so Dylan and Mark’s vacation ended before Dylan started school and Mark told MB he asked Dylan how he liked his new school when he went to visit him in November. MOO
 
  • #897
But from what we know he did fail it!!

It came from the horses mouth that he had failed it.


And he had a chance in front of the nation to re-sit it and see if he would pass this one and he chose to drink the night before so he was clearly not confident he would pass it :cow:

Failing a polygraph is not proof of guilt, despite people making such a big deal of it. I believe that Breanne Rodriguez' parents failed their poly, but it was not them who killed their little girl, it was a neighbor boy, Shawn Morgan. I'm not going to look up a link, but her case is here on WS somewhere.

Nobody has ever been arrested or charged only on the basis of a failed polygraph. Nobody. He could fail 10 of them and it does not prove guilt.

I wonder, if he had taken the poly from Jack T. and passed it, would it change anybody's mind? I doubt it, they would pick something else to keep
harping about. MOO.
 
  • #898
I think you are right because Dylan moved to CS at the end of July and he started school in the middle of August so Dylan and Mark’s vacation ended before Dylan started school and Mark told MB he asked Dylan how he liked his new school when he went to visit him in November. MOO

Is it normal for U,S schools to go back to school in August or was that because Dylan had moved?


Just in the U,K summer break is from July until about 6th/7th Sept and so i did not know schools went back in Aug.
 
  • #899
The mother also reported to ABC that Mark Redwine did not respond when she tried contacting him about Dylan -- even when she got their older son, who is 21, to text his father. Elaine Redwine says she doesn't understand why the father is being evasive about the situation.

http://www.*********.com/contribute...ill-missing-mother-believes-father-harmed-boy


So Mark blocked his ex IMMEDIATELY after he texted her and asked if she had heard from Dylan that day. WTH????? Wouldnt he want to hear from her and find out where he might go to look for Dylan? He has already said he didnt know who most of his friends were or where they lived.

And he told Tricia that he blocked her because she was 'out of control' and 'accusatory' and kept yelling at him. THAT IS A LIE. She never even had a chance to speak with him.
 
  • #900
Failing a polygraph is not proof of guilt, despite people making such a big deal of it. I believe that Breanne Rodriguez' parents failed their poly, but it was not them who killed their little girl, it was a neighbor boy, Shawn Morgan. I'm not going to look up a link, but her case is here on WS somewhere.

Nobody has ever been arrested or charged only on the basis of a failed polygraph. Nobody. He could fail 10 of them and it does not prove guilt.

I wonder, if he had taken the poly from Jack T. and passed it, would it change anybody's mind? I doubt it, they would pick something else to keep
harping about. MOO.

BBM. I remember that. Asking off the top of my head but didn't either one of the Walsh's or the Klaas' fail a poly too, or have an inconclusive result. I can't remember but I think there was one of the "MC Activists" that had that same kind of issue too, but I could be wrong.
 
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