CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #51

[DylansMom34]

If he did take a polygraph, first I'd probably faint from the shock of it. If he took it and passed it, I wouldn't be convinced of his non-involvement in Dylan's disappearance. It's not his initial failing/inconclusive polygraph OR his refusal to take one with Dr. Phil that makes me suspicious of MR. It's that PLUS his actions/inactions ever since the beginning, his general demeanor, and the abrupt discontinuance of Dylan's texts on Sunday night.

 

[TxLady2]

I don't think we have any statement from LE where they have asked him to take another poly. I just think people are putting too much emphasis on the polygraph. Guilty people have passed them, innocent ones have failed. It's not proof of anything. The only difference in what I would do in a situation like this is, I would never have gone on Dr. Phil and agreed to take the poly in the first place. It did make him look bad when he ended up not taking it, and drinking the night before, but it's still not proof of guilt, IMO.

I need real proof before I make up my mind whether he's guilty. <modsnip> If he did something to Dylan, by all means, lock him up! But there are other ways to keep somebody out of your life forever.

 

[katydid23]

More than likely if Mark indeed sat down with a Bayfield police representative, it was they who suggested or asked if he had first contacted other family members to see if Dylan had been heard from.
After all, he didn't even notice anything missing of Dylan's until he was asked to confirm it (this is according to MR himself on Tricia's show on Sunday night). He didn't think of it until asked... that was not his focus! JMO

Good Point. I never thought of that. I bet the very first thing the marshal asked was ' has his mother heard from him?' That pretty much forced him to text her and ask. :waitasec.'

But he didn't seem that interested in the answer, since he never actually SPOKE
to her.

 

[JustJeannie]

I wonder, if he had taken the poly from Jack T. and passed it, would it change anybody's mind? MOO.

RSBM


Speaking just for myself, no it would not have completely changed my mind. Mark was the last person to see Dylan, and their are too many inconsistencies in his story, and there is that glaring fact of no communication from Dylan since the night before. I think i would have a hard time getting past that just on the basis of a passed poly. And just as you say there are innocent people who fail polygraphs, there are guilty people who pass them. So no, his passing or failing the test wouldn't have changed my mind, either way.

That said, if he had actually taken the polygraph any of the multiple times it was offered, if he had not gotten drunk the night before while knowing he was supposed to take the test he had agreed to in the morning... That would have been something that might have at least kept me on the fence. Playing a game like that - and I do see it as a game he was playing with his back and forth actions on whether he would take it or not, MOO - is not the thing I expect an innocent parent of a missing child to do. In fact, that was what pushed me off the fence I had been hanging onto for some time, as I mentioned back then.

JMO, as always.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

A little off topic but related. I have a password set up with my kids too. So thankful we never had to test it.

http://www.wggb.com/2013/06/07/password-saves-iowa-child-from-attempted-kidnapper/

The Story County Sheriff’s Office says around 9:00 Monday night, near the Roland Pool, a 13-year-old boy was approached by a white male in his 30&#8242;s in a red 4-door truck, offering him a ride.

The man told the boy his mom had sent him, but mother and son have a password set up when something like this comes up.

“He asked the guy the password and he didn’t know it, so the kid just kind of took off after that,” says Roger Fritz, the Mayor of Roland.

The boy was not followed.

 

[Lordeebee]

I don't think negative results on a poly are a definite indicator of guilt, otherwise they would be admissable in court. imo refusing to take a poly (or a second or third..) WHEN YOUR CHILD is missing looks really bad, maybe even worse than failing one. I mean what is the harm in just taking it, if you know you're innocent?

 

[Emma Ems]

I don't think we have any statement from LE where they have asked him to take another poly. I just think people are putting too much emphasis on the polygraph. Guilty people have passed them, innocent ones have failed. It's not proof of anything. The only difference in what I would do in a situation like this is, I would never have gone on Dr. Phil and agreed to take the poly in the first place. It did make him look bad when he ended up not taking it, and drinking the night before, but it's still not proof of guilt, IMO.

I need real proof before I make up my mind whether he's guilty. Not speculations, not opinions, and not things claimed by bitter ex-wives who have personal axes to grind. Hatred for someone is not enough to put somebody in prison for the rest of their life. If he did something to Dylan, by all means, lock him up! But there are other ways to keep somebody out of your life forever.

I am looking for something specific, so reading and moving on until I find what it was I was looking for, but one of the things I read is you should not take a poly when upset. My question is this, did MR have anything to be upset about on DP before the poly?

 

[katydid23]

I don't think we have any statement from LE where they have asked him to take another poly. I just think people are putting too much emphasis on the polygraph. Guilty people have passed them, innocent ones have failed. It's not proof of anything. The only difference in what I would do in a situation like this is, I would never have gone on Dr. Phil and agreed to take the poly in the first place. It did make him look bad when he ended up not taking it, and drinking the night before, but it's still not proof of guilt, IMO.

I need real proof before I make up my mind whether he's guilty. Not speculations, not opinions, and not things claimed by bitter ex-wives who have personal axes to grind. Hatred for someone is not enough to put somebody in prison for the rest of their life. If he did something to Dylan, by all means, lock him up! But there are other ways to keep somebody out of your life forever.

BBM

I don't think we need one to assume they DID want him to take another. It is pretty much expected, if one is the last to see a missing child, and one does not pass the initial test, that one would be asked to retake it. That is just common sense, imo.

And we have his son saying as much publicly. So I tend to believe it is the case. JMO

My DS has had to take three of them recently. One was for getting National Security Clearance for his job. The others were for his background check for trying to get into the LE academy. He was told that it was not just the poly itself that was telling , but the pre-interviews and the behavior of the test taker before and during and after the tests themselves. There is a lot they can tell from that part of the experience. So if a prime suspect did not pass the first, they would be asked to try it again, imo.

If someone is totally innocent, they tend to be nervous still, but they will accept the opportunity to take the test and clear themselves. If they are less innocent, they tend to make excuses and try to find reasons not to take it. JMO

 

[Bayou Mistress]

I am looking for something specific, so reading and moving on until I find what it was I was looking for, but one of the things I read is you should not take a poly when upset. My question is this, did MR have anything to be upset about on DP before the poly?

Yes....

 

[Ghostwheel]

I, fence sitter extraordinaire, would like everyone to consider the following. If you don’t find it a valid possibility in your theories, feel free to read and reject.

******Conjecture alert on*****
Mark and Dylan may have been arguing about Dylan going to see his friends. Mark may have damaged Dylans phone and/or iPod. The next morning, Mark had no intentions of taking Dylan to see his friends and did not really try to wake Dylan up, instead he passively aggressively moved around making “noise”. Then he left. Dylan wakes up, is super PO’d that his dad left without him and takes off down the road or someone happens by and picks him up. Bad things ensue.

I think the above fits all the requirements, with the exception of Dylan not using the computer (it may have had a password on it he didn’t know) or using the landline (if he had not memorized his friends numbers, the landline would not have been useful).

Now, assuming the above, or something similar, is what happened, Mark’s actions COULD very well be the actions of a person who does not admit that anything they do is wrong, is passive aggressive, is controlling and wants things his way, thinks everyone should pay attention to what he says because it is so important, and is, in general, kind of jerky (IMO). There are a lot of people out there who are jerky, but not killers. Marks actions COULD be the actions of someone who is covering up the fact that he puts his own needs first (he didn’t want to be bothered taking Dylan to Bayfield that morning), got angry with his son and damaged his communication devices, wanted his son to magically want to be with Mark when he didn’t, arrived home later than promised to show Dylan who was in charge, took a nap instead of looking for his son who desperately wanted to go see his friends because Mark didn’t really want to drive to Bayfield anyway, and didn’t notice that the backpack his son arrived with was no longer in the location it was the night before because that wasn't important to him. And he feels guilty and will not admit that anything he did had any bearing on Dylan being missing, because he thinks it will make him look bad and he cannot have that. He has to act like everyone would behave just like he did. And no, finding his son would not come first, looking like it wasn't his fault would come first.

****Conjecture alert off****

I could point to a half dozen people I know who would fit that description above. Making sure everyone knows "It wasn't my fault!" is paramount and more important than anything, including their family. And they aren’t killers, just really self centered, self serving, and selfish people.

I am absolutely not saying this is the ONLY reason why a person might act like Mark does. There may even be some reason that wouldn't make sense to me if someone tried to explain it. But it’s one I have seen time and time again. And one of the reasons why I sit on my fence. Leaning a little to the side.

Thank you for your consideration.

 

[Emma Ems]

Mark Lunsford and Ruth and Archie Lunsford took polygraph tests.

Dawsy confirmed Tuesday that two questions on Ruth Lunsford's polygraph, which was taken March 4, "raised red flags."

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2005-03-16/news/0503160306_1_mark-lunsford-jessie-polygraph

Stumbled across this, just posting it because the outcome of this case is known. It made me question something, if two questions raised flags, would they label the test inconclusive?

 

[Bayou Mistress]

http://www.missingpersonsofamerica.com/2013/02/missing-dylan-redwines-story-on-dr-phil.html

This article purports to have text messages between CR and MR, dated November 30, December 1 and January 16, 2013. It would appear that "blocking" occurred sometime after that.

 

[katydid23]

We would need to know the date of the "blocking" to be sure, but I am also of the opinion that yelling and accusations can be effectively communicated on a text message. So, something else is needed, imo, to refute MR's allegation that yelling and accusation prompted him to utilize his phone's block feature.

I just do not get this at all. If your child is missing, and your ex yells at you, does that take precedence over speaking with them and trying to get pertinent info?

Wouldnt he want to speak with her and find out when she heard from him last, and what friends to go speak to, and where he might go search?

 

[katydid23]

http://www.missingpersonsofamerica.com/2013/02/missing-dylan-redwines-story-on-dr-phil.html

This article purports to have text messages between CR and MR, dated November 30, December 1 and January 16, 2013. It would appear that "blocking" occurred sometime after that.

No, I think the blocking was BEFORE that. JMO

 

[Emma Ems]

I just do not get this at all. If your child is missing, and your ex yells at you, does that take precedence over speaking with them and trying to get pertinent info?

Wouldnt he want to speak with her and find out when she heard from him last, and what friends to go speak to, and where he might go search?

I can only speak of myself personally. Yelling and screaming really doesn't get you anywhere. I can't say what has happened as I don't know, but if someone were sending me texts throughout the day, "Yelling" at me or "Accusing me," I may temporarily block them in the hopes that they would realize that to further discuss this, it must be done civilly. I realize it's an important matter, but you can't really "talk" to someone who is yelling at you, as they aren't listening to you. Just MO.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

No, I think the blocking was BEFORE that. JMO

How do explain the texts that happened after that? Clearly there was an exchange of them.....

 

[Emma Ems]

No, I think the blocking was BEFORE that. JMO

I don't understand, if he blocked them before that how did the other messages get sent. I do see some replies in there that seem to be from the same "thread" of message line.

 

[Eileen730]

Is it normal for U,S schools to go back to school in August or was that because Dylan had moved?


Just in the U,K summer break is from July until about 6th/7th Sept and so i did not know schools went back in Aug.

Here in florida they return around aug 12th

 

[Ghostwheel]

The mother also reported to ABC that Mark Redwine did not respond when she tried contacting him about Dylan -- even when she got their older son, who is 21, to text his father. Elaine Redwine says she doesn't understand why the father is being evasive about the situation.

http://www.*********.com/contribute...ill-missing-mother-believes-father-harmed-boy


So Mark blocked his ex IMMEDIATELY after he texted her and asked if she had heard from Dylan that day. WTH????? Wouldnt he want to hear from her and find out where he might go to look for Dylan? He has already said he didnt know who most of his friends were or where they lived.

And he told Tricia that he blocked her because she was 'out of control' and 'accusatory' and kept yelling at him. THAT IS A LIE. She never even had a chance to speak with him.

Similar quote is also here:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-boys-mother-suspects-husband-sons-disappearance/story?id=17813458#.UbOVQGd4nlx
"He hasn't had any contact with us. [My older son] tried to get a hold of him by texting him, and he wouldn't respond," she said. "I just find it odd that at a time like this, he would be so evasive."

 

[katydid23]

How do explain the texts that happened after that? Clearly there was an exchange of them.....

Cory had gone to his home and was trying to patch things up to increase communication level at that time.