CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #51

[Emma Ems]

I am really lost now. Going on this:

In yesterday’s Tracy Press, there was an article about missing Sandra Cantu’s father, 37-year-old Daniel , passing a polygraph. If you have followed the disappearance of Haleigh Cummings, authorities have explained the person taking a test is seldom informed of the results after repeated statements by Ronald Cummings and Misty (Croslin) Cummings that they passed their polygraph tests. According to authorities, the tests will either show deception or to be inconclusive on questions asked but they aren’t pass or fail.

https://missingchild.wordpress.com/category/missingabducted-children/page/18/

If I got by this, you can't really fail a test. Only certain questions. Also, according to this, they will not tell a person their results, but I believe they will in an "interrogation" type setting, perhaps not accurately though. For example a suspect could "pass" certain questions, yet in an interrogation LE could say, "you failed this question" to see how they respond to that. I don't think they would tell a parent, "oh by the way you passed this question, but we think you are lying and beat our test."

 

[Emma Ems]

Cory had gone to his home and was trying to patch things up to increase communication level at that time.

How do you know all this stuff? I haven't heard all of this, I need to find your source, because I am really missing some stuff and I need to catch up.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

Cory had gone to his home and was trying to patch things up to increase communication level at that time.

I am not following your thought process here. How does Cory have any control over a block initiated by MR? He doesn't, imo. If CR or ER was unblocked, MR did it. Unless you are suggesting that CR did the blocking??

 

[katydid23]

I don't understand, if he blocked them before that how did the other messages get sent. I do see some replies in there that seem to be from the same "thread" of message line.

Her initial complaint was that he refused to SPEAK WITH HER. He blocked her calls. If your son went missing while with your ex, wouldn't you be upset if he would NOT SPEAK TO YOU ABOUT IT???

I would not want to text about my missing son. I would want to talk about it.

Besides, why is he so concerned about his ex yelling at him? His son IS MISSING. Who cares if his ex yells or accuses him? That seems minor in the scheme of things.

My friend had to call her ex to tell him to meet her at the hospital--their son was hit by a car. Luckily, it was ok in the end, just minor injuries. But she KNEW her ex was going to yell and accuse her of being 'stupid' ---but did she block him and just text him? NO, because it was not her fault, so she had the conversation and they moved on from it. I suppose if it hd been negligence on her part, maybe she would have texted him the info, and blocked his calls.

 

[caffeinejean]

I, fence sitter extraordinaire, would like everyone to consider the following. If you don’t find it a valid possibility in your theories, feel free to read and reject.

******Conjecture alert on*****
Mark and Dylan may have been arguing about Dylan going to see his friends. Mark may have damaged Dylans phone and/or iPod. The next morning, Mark had no intentions of taking Dylan to see his friends and did not really try to wake Dylan up, instead he passively aggressively moved around making “noise”. Then he left. Dylan wakes up, is super PO’d that his dad left without him and takes off down the road or someone happens by and picks him up. Bad things ensue.

I think the above fits all the requirements, with the exception of Dylan not using the computer (it may have had a password on it he didn’t know) or using the landline (if he had not memorized his friends numbers, the landline would not have been useful).

Now, assuming the above, or something similar, is what happened, Mark’s actions COULD very well be the actions of a person who does not admit that anything they do is wrong, is passive aggressive, is controlling and wants things his way, thinks everyone should pay attention to what he says because it is so important, and is, in general, kind of jerky (IMO). There are a lot of people out there who are jerky, but not killers. Marks actions COULD be the actions of someone who is covering up the fact that he puts his own needs first (he didn’t want to be bothered taking Dylan to Bayfield that morning), got angry with his son and damaged his communication devices, wanted his son to magically want to be with Mark when he didn’t, arrived home later than promised to show Dylan who was in charge, took a nap instead of looking for his son who desperately wanted to go see his friends because Mark didn’t really want to drive to Bayfield anyway, and didn’t notice that the backpack his son arrived with was no longer in the location it was the night before because that wasn't important to him. And he feels guilty and will not admit that anything he did had any bearing on Dylan being missing, because he thinks it will make him look bad and he cannot have that. He has to act like everyone would behave just like he did. And no, finding his son would not come first, looking like it wasn't his fault would come first.

****Conjecture alert off****

I could point to a half dozen people I know who would fit that description above. Making sure everyone knows "It wasn't my fault!" is paramount and more important than anything, including their family. And they aren’t killers, just really self centered, self serving, and selfish people.

I am absolutely not saying this is the ONLY reason why a person might act like Mark does. There may even be some reason that wouldn't make sense to me if someone tried to explain it. But it’s one I have seen time and time again. And one of the reasons why I sit on my fence. Leaning a little to the side.

Thank you for your consideration.

Ghostwheel, I think this is a great great theory and covers a ton of bases. But, the only problem I can not get past is love. Love for your own and not seizing and thwarting efforts and putting up road blocks to try and find them. I have chased my run-a-way dog to the ends of the earth even though I am angry at him and may have left the gate open myself. Why, because I love him. I feel that even selfish self-centered bastards would be there to help and take charge to find their own young son, whether they admitted to negligence or not. JMO

 

[katydid23]

How do you know all this stuff? I haven't heard all of this, I need to find your source, because I am really missing some stuff and I need to catch up.

There were interviews WITH MARK where he talked about Cory visiting him. And there are videos of Cory hugging him at the early vigils. And Mark talks about Cory meeting up with him early on, and them discussing the situation.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

Regarding polygraphs---I've read that a reputable examiner must furnish the written results of a polygraph to the examinee. That means that MR could request and should be given his. Examiners ask the same questions is slightly different ways. An inconclusive result, for example, could mean that once out of three times being ask the same question--that autonomic body responses indicated something. If the result was the same all three times, the polygraph wouldn't be called inconclusive, it would be indicating deception. I can't say I would recommend MR take another poly, but I would like to see the results of the first one. The whole report.

 

[katydid23]

I can only speak of myself personally. Yelling and screaming really doesn't get you anywhere. I can't say what has happened as I don't know, but if someone were sending me texts throughout the day, "Yelling" at me or "Accusing me," I may temporarily block them in the hopes that they would realize that to further discuss this, it must be done civilly. I realize it's an important matter, but you can't really "talk" to someone who is yelling at you, as they aren't listening to you. Just MO.

IF I had 'lost' my son, then I would expect my ex to be a bit angry about it. I would not block them, I would try to answer their questions and concerns, JMO

 

[Bayou Mistress]

There were interviews WITH MARK where he talked about Cory visiting him. And there are videos of Cory hugging him at the early vigils. And Mark talks about Cory meeting up with him early on, and them discussing the situation.

That's true, but you are imputing conversation and intent that was not covered in MSM.

 

[Emma Ems]

There were interviews WITH MARK where he talked about Cory visiting him. And there are videos of Cory hugging him at the early vigils. And Mark talks about Cory meeting up with him early on, and them discussing the situation.

I believe I have seen those articles, and interviews, but I don't recall the conversation about unblocking the phones. Are you deducing the information from those actions?

 

[Emma Ems]

IF I had 'lost' my son, then I would expect my ex to be a bit angry about it. I would not block them, I would try to answer their questions and concerns, JMO

Yeah you expect them to be angry, but you can't "talk" to someone while they are angry. Especially if they are behaving belligerently, not saying ER was in fact, but if that was MR's perception of her behavior then can't change that. The only thing you can do, in regards to that, is wait for their anger to calm down enough to where they can be rational. You don't have to wait for it to go away, just come down from a level 10 to a level 7 or something.

 

[katydid23]

That's true, but you are imputing conversation and intent that was not covered in MSM.

I don't think so. Obviously, if Cory was hugging him, and visiting him at home,
Cory would want the phones unblocked. JMO

And the texting that you are pointing to have nothing to do with my initial point: Mark would NOT SPEAK to Elaine about their missing son. He would not talk to her. Texting is not the same thing as talking to someone. He BLOCKED her calls and she NEVER had the chance to speak to him about Dylan being missing. You don't find that oddly frustrating?

If your child went missing while in your ex's care, would you accept that he only wanted to text you about it, and blocked your calls?

 

[Bayou Mistress]

IF I had 'lost' my son, then I would expect my ex to be a bit angry about it. I would not block them, I would try to answer their questions and concerns, JMO

Everybody is different, and usually that's a good thing. Rather than expecting someone to act just like me, I try to see why they might do things differently, whether I agree or not.

 

[Emma Ems]

I really hate to say this, but there are 51 threads PLUS the timeline and media thread PLUS the few assorted extra threads that have this information in them somewhere. Happy reading....

I have read the threads here, I just do not recall reading that Cory visited MR to talk about unblocking them from his phone and a few other things about conversations taking place between certain people.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

I don't think so. Obviously, if Cory was hugging him, and visiting him at home,
Cory would want the phones unblocked. JMO

And the texting that you are pointing to have nothing to do with my initial point: Mark would NOT SPEAK to Elaine about their missing son. He would not talk to her. Texting is not the same thing as talking to someone. He BLOCKED her calls and she NEVER had the chance to speak to him about Dylan being missing. You don't find that oddly frustrating?

If your child went missing while in your ex's care, would you accept that he only wanted to text you about it, and blocked your calls?

Frankly, I have a not-so-good relationship with my ex. Occasionally we can talk to each other about my child. I'm telling you, the day he told me she "fell" out of her stroller and her face/lip/nose/forehead looked like she'd been punched.... No, there was no rational talking to be done that day. None.
I TEXTED him from the Emergency Room.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Ghostwheel, I think this is a great great theory and covers a ton of bases. But, the only problem I can not get past is love. Love for your own and not seizing and thwarting efforts and putting up road blocks to try and find them. I have chased my run-a-way dog to the ends of the earth even though I am angry at him and may have left the gate open myself. Why, because I love him. I feel that even selfish self-centered bastards would be there to help and take charge to find their young son, whether they admitted to negligence or not. JMO

I understand your point. I'd like to feel that way, too. But it doesn't work that way with some of the people I've known. And I will tell you that it appears to EAT them up inside, because they do love their families in their own bizarre fashion, but there is something in their personality makeup that make it impossible to admit to their own failings. Then they become even more what I term "jerky". I have mentioned before that I have seen parents throw their children under the bus (figuratively speaking) to protect their own appearance of being "perfect". I have seen so many marriages fail over this type of behavior(not just men, but women, too). It's like watching a slow motion train wreck that you cannot stop, because anything you say will only make it worse since the facade has been seen through by an outsider, and it must be someone else's fault.

 

[katydid23]

Yeah you expect them to be angry, but you can't "talk" to someone while they are angry. Especially if they are behaving belligerently, not saying ER was in fact, but if that was MR's perception of her behavior then can't change that. The only thing you can do, in regards to that, is wait for their anger to calm down enough to where they can be rational. You don't have to wait for it to go away, just come down from a level 10 to a level 7 or something.

I do not accept that SHE was the irrational one. JMO

I look at her life at the time this happened. And I compare it to his situation. She had a very high level, responsible position, and was about to be married, and was raising the boys. She was very close to her family and friends. I see nothing that leads me to believe she was irrational.

Compare and contrast to his life's circumstances. Pretty much estranged from his three older sons and most of his family. Very few friends and little community support. <Mod Snip>. A job that took him out of town most of the time. Possibly a drinking habit. I see potential for him to be irrational I even saw that in the DP taping. Irrational accusations against ER. Irrational choices, like Jim Beam the night before a national TV appearance.
And when talking to Tricia, he went on a few irrational rambling tirades. One was when he went into a lengthy, irrational rant about the Search Warrants and the failure to issue an Amber Alert. Irrational. :moo:

 

[katydid23]

Frankly, I have a not-so-good relationship with my ex. Occasionally we can talk to each other about my child. I'm telling you, the day he told me she "fell" out of her stroller and her face/lip/nose/forehead looked like she'd been punched.... No, there was no rational talking to be done that day. None.
I TEXTED him from the Emergency Room.

I understand. But the question remains:

If she WENT MISSING in his care, would you allow him to text only, and not speak to you about her disappearance?

 

[katydid23]

I have read the threads here, I just do not recall reading that Cory visited MR to talk about unblocking them from his phone and a few other things about conversations taking place between certain people.

Cory visited him to talk about Dylan. I don't know he talked about unblocking the phones. But if they were communicating again, and visiting with each other, I would think so.

 

[katydid23]

Everybody is different, and usually that's a good thing. Rather than expecting someone to act just like me, I try to see why they might do things differently, whether I agree or not.

And I am trying to understand WHY someone might do things differently. And when I try to understand why Mark makes some of the choices he does, I think it makes him look very suspicious.


Why would he care more about being yelled at, then about speaking to her to get valuable info about his missing son?

Why did he block her phone calls right from the start and never speak to her about Dylan? Texting is not speaking, imo.

Why did he go report D missing, BEFORE calling Cory or Elaine, to see if they had heard from him that day?

Why didn't he look to see if the pack was missing?