CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #51

[Emma Ems]

Looks like it! Good find.

I know that some had researched an RV place nearby that had a lot of RSOs living there too. I'm trying to find the info but it was several threads ago and I haven't been able to track it down yet. This does look like the closest campground, and probably the one MR was referring to Dylan sometimes walking to (note I say probably.. I don't think MR ever specified which campground).

47 non-reservable sites 33 Reservable. 80 sites. I am sure they have found out how many were occupied during the time Dylan went missing. I would be interested in someone who may have been there Sun and left Monday. I would also be interested in knowing if they were able to track every single person who was there, in other words have all the campers been accounted for and questioned?

 

[katydid23]

I've never had to show ID when camping. And if a vehicle plate number was supposed to be on anything I wrote it down myself. I don't recall anyone checking if it was correct.

I must look suspicious because I have always had to show ID. But maybe that is because we usually have reservations. Maybe they need to make sure they were our reservations.

 

[ColdHands]

So it's a reservable campground, 33 spots will allow reservations, but

Campgrounds still open between September and May have no services (water, electric, trash pick up or rest rooms).

So anyone there in November probably didn't make reservations. And it would not have been staffed.

Bringing the link to this page: http://www.fs.usda.gov/activity/sanjuan/recreation/camping-cabins

 

[nikb]

It's definitely different, but it's on my mind now, because it's the only place I ever recall having to give them my tag number. LOL. Of course that brought back other memories as well. The fun part, though, once you get that pass, you don't have to deal with all the security checks when you leave and come back for the time the pass is valid for.

Hm. That's interesting. Do they compare the tag number to the pass when you come back? How about ID? I don't know if this info is relevant to the campground in/near Vallecito anyway, but this got me curious. If you buy, for example, an annual camping pass I wonder if it's not even checked much or at all.

 

[katydid23]

47 non-reservable sites 33 Reservable. 80 sites. I am sure they have found out how many were occupied during the time Dylan went missing. I would be interested in someone who may have been there Sun and left Monday. I would also be interested in knowing if they were able to track every single person who was there, in other words have all the campers been accounted for and questioned?

I wouldn't think there would be that many sites being used in late November in the Colorado mountains though.

 

[ColdHands]

I wouldn't think there would be that many sites being used in late November in the Colorado mountains though.

Hunting season I think ended just that weekend if I remember right. I haven't researched that though, but I will.

 

[nikb]

47 non-reservable sites 33 Reservable. 80 sites. I am sure they have found out how many were occupied during the time Dylan went missing. I would be interested in someone who may have been there Sun and left Monday. I would also be interested in knowing if they were able to track every single person who was there, in other words have all the campers been accounted for and questioned?

Good questions. I wonder if they'd even have any way of knowing. If the person/people didn't have a reservation, didn't have to show ID, pay, or leave vehicle info, then they camped and left, I don't see how anyone would even know they were there. I suppose other campers might notice, but 80 sites is a whole lot of space to spread out in if you don't want to be right next to other campers.

I'd be interested in knowing if they can be tracked as well, but I'm guessing it would be very difficult. All MOO.

 

[katydid23]

Hunting season I think ended just that weekend if I remember right. I haven't researched that though, but I will.

My hunting relatives must be wusses, because they would never camp out on their winter trips. They go to cabins. I guess so they can play poker and get drunk. :wink:

 

[AnotherSetOfEyes]

I just want to go on record as saying I disagree. Respectfully, as always.

And, since you won't say it about yourself, you are also a seasoned Websleuth. I very much respect your opinions.

It was clearly stated by AS that this opinion came from one source and was first impression only. MR is pretty good at looking sincere at the outset. I thought AS spoke thoughtfully and left the door wide open if facts of the case should change that initial impression.

It will be interesting to hear AS's opinions as more and more information is read and assessed. AS said facts, so I am assuming the media thread is what was being referred to vs. our back and forth opinions.

MOO, but it would really surprise me if two seasoned sleuthers came to totally opposing views on this particular case.

 

[nikb]

I must look suspicious because I have always had to show ID. But maybe that is because we usually have reservations. Maybe they need to make sure they were our reservations.

I'm guessing it has more to do with going places where you made reservations/had to make reservations as opposed to you looking suspicious.

I wonder what measures are in place - if any - to track campground / campsite usage when the campgrounds aren't staffed or are minimally staffed, especially for sites that don't require reservations.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I googled that question and found a couple of references to state requirements for ID of campers:



Campground Rules and Regulations - NYS Dept. of Environmental ...
www.dec.ny.gov › Outdoor Activities › Camping‎

12. 


Rules and Regulations on Camping in New York State - Department of ... Permit holders must have identification and proof of age, and furnish the full names of ... they will be required to pay a Miscellaneous campground handling charge in the *...


DCR Camping - Mass.Gov
www.mass.gov/dcr/recreate/camping.htm‎
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2. 


. ID is required upon registration at the campground


and

Metro: Camping at Oxbow
www.oregonmetro.gov/index.cfm/go/by.web/id=975‎
Camping is allowed only in designated areas and numbered sites. Minors must be accompanied by an adult. Identification is required.

Well, the states of New York and Mass can do what ever they want because I don't plan on going there.

I've been to campgrounds in the Rouge River area and Coos Bay Oregon and never had to show ID.

I have been to many campgrounds in the western part of the US and have never had to show ID.

 

[Emma Ems]

I must look suspicious because I have always had to show ID. But maybe that is because we usually have reservations. Maybe they need to make sure they were our reservations.

You should try it without reservations to see what happens. I am an experimenter when it comes to theories or "facts" I like to prove them true or false. There was a vacuum cleaner salesman who told me I could run over the vacuum with a car and it wouldn't break, well the attachments and wand, so I asked him I could test that out. He let me, it broke, I told him he needed a new sales pitch. It would be very interesting to see if they checked your ID if you used a different method than you normally do.

 

[Emma Ems]

You should try it without reservations to see what happens. I am an experimenter when it comes to theories or "facts" I like to prove them true or false. There was a vacuum cleaner salesman who told me I could run over the vacuum with a car and it wouldn't break, well the attachments and wand, so I asked him I could test that out. He let me, it broke, I told him he needed a new sales pitch. It would be very interesting to see if they checked your ID if you used a different method than you normally do.

Quoting myself, this probably explains why I am on the fence, because I can't prove any theories absolutely. I can make guesses, but my guesses don't necessarily mean they are true or right, so, I sit here waiting for that one irrefutable fact that has no other possible explanation.

 

[katydid23]

I'm guessing it has more to do with going places where you made reservations/had to make reservations as opposed to you looking suspicious.

I wonder what measures are in place - if any - to track campground / campsite usage when the campgrounds aren't staffed or are minimally staffed, especially for sites that don't require reservations.

I think if a reservation is requires, then it is usually 'in season' and then the place would be staffed. We usually go to Beachside campgrounds these days cuz our kids like that a lot.

And we went to Yosemite quite a bit, which requires reservations.

ETA: I should have said our kids go to beachside campgrounds these days. We are old fogeys now.

 

[ColdHands]

Here's the 2012 Colorado Hunting Planner
http://www.colorado.com/sites/colorado.com/files/CHP06112012.pdf

Looks like deer season was over by then, but I see mountain lion was active
http://wildlife.state.co.us/Hunting/SeasonDatesAndFees/Pages/SeasonDatesandFees.aspx

 

[katydid23]

You should try it without reservations to see what happens. I am an experimenter when it comes to theories or "facts" I like to prove them true or false. There was a vacuum cleaner salesman who told me I could run over the vacuum with a car and it wouldn't break, well the attachments and wand, so I asked him I could test that out. He let me, it broke, I told him he needed a new sales pitch. It would be very interesting to see if they checked your ID if you used a different method than you normally do.

Now that our 'kids' are grown and out of our house, I doubt we will be camping anywhere other than the Hyatt. LOL


eta: I did just recently rent a beachside campground for my DD, but it was for her 21st Bday weekend and we did not camp out with them.

 

[Emma Ems]

Hm. That's interesting. Do they compare the tag number to the pass when you come back? How about ID? I don't know if this info is relevant to the campground in/near Vallecito anyway, but this got me curious. If you buy, for example, an annual camping pass I wonder if it's not even checked much or at all.

Sorry that was at a military base, not a campground. It was the only place I ever recall my tag being recorded. It came to mind simply because of one cabin I stayed at required ID because of the military discount we used during reservations and Katy mentioning them recording her tag at campground.

 

[Emma Ems]

Here's the 2012 Colorado Hunting Planner
http://www.colorado.com/sites/colorado.com/files/CHP06112012.pdf

Looks like deer season was over by then, but I see mountain lion was active
http://wildlife.state.co.us/Hunting/SeasonDatesAndFees/Pages/SeasonDatesandFees.aspx

They have a mountain lion season? And people actually hunt them? No thanks, but then again, I was just going to comment on another post of yours I saw about them not having "services" in November, about who would want to tent it in the cold, but if they have mountain lion hunters, I now think some people would.

 

[nikb]

Sorry that was at a military base, not a campground. It was the only place I ever recall my tag being recorded. It came to mind simply because of one cabin I stayed at required ID because of the military discount we used during reservations and Katy mentioning them recording her tag at campground.

Oh gotcha! Sorry, I was confused. I thought it was maybe a combination - campground on the outskirts of a military base or something like that.

It did get me thinking about annual passes though. I bet if you (general you) have one it's even easier to get into a campground without showing any kind of ID, even if it's someone else's pass.

 

[AnotherSetOfEyes]

http://bluesprucervpark.com/maps.html#bluesprucemap

Posting this again. I think the middle map is really useful when articles talk about places in the Vallecito lake area. I thought the place with the RSO that MR referred to in the uncut interview as "just down the road" was the Blue Spruce, but my memory might be off.