CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #52

[Bayou Mistress]

I understand what you're saying. I think cultural differences play into this. I also think 20/20 hindsight is definitely a different perspective than when you're in the moment.

I would like to see the records of MR's attempts to contact Dylan on Monday. I think that could answer some of my questions.

Is it even possible to get text message content if you aren't the sender or receiver who saved texts?

 

[azgrandma]

Again I find we are back to tomayto, tomahtoh. I can't get on board with that. Kids often go outside, wonder around their homes, yards, without having to say, "Hey mom, going to be in the tree, hey mom, hiding in the bush, hey mom, I am riding my bike around the neighborhood and while I am at it, I may or may not stop at Jimmy's, then onto Bobby's." Kids aren't prisoners and our jobs as parents is prepare them to be adults, which includes allowing them certain independence. I could see that for a younger child.

See you take issue with that, but I am still trying to understand, in the NG issue with ER why she that Dylan would usually call her to let her know where he "landed" for the night, if not that night, but at least by the next morning. I wish I could clarify that with her because it reads to me like Dylan didn't have to ask permission to spend the night with friends and that as long as he isn't unaccountable for 24 hours it's all good. That one has me more concerned and stumped than MR taking a short nap, thinking Dylan probably went out to play to occupy himself while he waited for MR's return.

BBM - because she was under the impression that her son was safe with his father. The phrase "where he landed for the night" has been twisted and turned IMO. MOO, in the context she was speaking, Dylan, while visiting MR would let her know where he was for the evening. Considering she wasn't with Dylan, I think it was understandable for him to call and say something like, "Hey mom, I'm staying at R's house, love you, goodnight"

 

[ColdHands]

Is it even possible to get text message content if you aren't the sender or receiver who saved texts?

I don't think you can get them if you're neither the sender or receiver unless you're LE or government with a warrant.but the sender, in this case MR, should be able to get those texts off his phone unless he deleted them. I think he could even get deleted texts if he contacted his carrier, although I don't know that for sure. I would certainly call if that was the case. I never delete texts though, so I always forget that other people do.

 

[azgrandma]

Is it even possible to get text message content if you aren't the sender or receiver who saved texts?

If MR sent text messages to Dylan on Monday while he was out running his errands, if MR attempted to call Dylan either on Dylan's cell or the land line; those calls would be stored in MR's cell phone, those text messages would be stored in MR's cell phone.

Now, MOO, if MR said he sent text messages and made phone calls anytime between 7:30 am and 5:00 pm Monday evening and those call logs and/or text messages were not on MR's phone, MOO that would be a HUGE red flag! LE would simply ask MR for his phone, which I believe MR said they did.

 

[Redhead72]

Is it even possible to get text message content if you aren't the sender or receiver who saved texts?

It depends upon the provider. Some actually do keep full copies of all text messages, including photos, and other media.

I put up a link on one of Dylan's threads months ago that had a chart of which companies keep which types of records, and for how long. I'll see if I can't find the website that provided the information. I think it was in reference to an ACLU lawsuit or some such thing...

ETA:
Cell Phone Location Tracking Request Response – Cell Phone Company Data Retention Chart
http://www.aclu.org/cell-phone-loca...ponse-cell-phone-company-data-retention-chart

NOTE: Given the recent information given publicly about the NSA collecting more data via contracts with service providers I'd hazard a guess that the amount of information saved, and the amount of time it is saved for is likely much longer than what this chart reflects. That said, just because NSA may have record of everything doesn't mean they would admit it, or work with the FBI in regard to giving them information that *shouldn't* be available through a straight subpoena of the service provider themselves.

 

[azgrandma]

When the FBI is on a missing child case, they request local LE to be silent or to provide only limited information.

Never heard of that before, do you have some sort of research that indicates that? It was my belief that FBI and local LE worked together, joined their resources and acted as team. Unless FBI took over the case, which it has never been mentioned that they did, MOO is that FBI has no control over what LE says or doesn't say. MOO, LPSO is still the lead agency, Bender has been the spokesperson.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

BBM - because she was under the impression that her son was safe with his father. The phrase "where he landed for the night" has been twisted and turned IMO. MOO, in the context she was speaking, Dylan, while visiting MR would let her know where he was for the evening. Considering she wasn't with Dylan, I think it was understandable for him to call and say something like, "Hey mom, I'm staying at R's house, love you, goodnight"

I'm not sure I follow the rationale in this line of discussion. ER was not alarmed by not getting a text the evening of November 18 or even during the day of the 19th. I get that part. But Elaine speaking of "where dylan landed for the night" seems....just an odd way to describe where a 13 or younger aged child goes to sleep. I've heard that kind of phrase used among college students who get too drunk to drive home....

 

[eileenhawkeye]

When the FBI is on a missing child case, they request local LE to be silent or to provide only limited information.

Wasn't the FBI involved in the Jessica Ridgeway case? LE was definitely not silent in that case, and frequently provided the public/media with information. They made it very clear to the public they were looking for a child abductor/murderer.

 

[azgrandma]

I don't know why you are saying he rarely visited there. I understand that prior to Elaine's move to Colorado Springs that Dylan spent much time with his father, including riding the school bus to his home.

Link please. Both MR & EH stated that MR traveled a lot for his job, in MB interview. EH mentioned in the DP show that MR traveled a lot and had only seen Dylan a few times (I can't remember but I believe about 4 times in 2 years) prior to their move to CS. MOO, 4 times in two years does not make "much time"

 

[Bayou Mistress]

If MR sent text messages to Dylan on Monday while he was out running his errands, if MR attempted to call Dylan either on Dylan's cell or the land line; those calls would be stored in MR's cell phone, those text messages would be stored in MR's cell phone.

Now, MOO, if MR said he sent text messages and made phone calls anytime between 7:30 am and 5:00 pm Monday evening and those call logs and/or text messages were not on MR's phone, MOO that would be a HUGE red flag! LE would simply ask MR for his phone, which I believe MR said they did.

Not sure what your response has to do with the question I asked....

 

[Cherry]

What where and why did dylan end up unsafe at this visitation? What would b his motive to kill, broken alliance w son or hatred mark? Was he current on his child support? Out of all Dylan's old friends all were checked out basement to attic? He had friends there.

 

[Ghostwheel]

I'm not sure I follow the rationale in this line of discussion. ER was not alarmed by not getting a text the evening of November 18 or even during the day of the 19th. I get that part. But Elaine speaking of "where dylan landed for the night" seems....just an odd way to describe where a 13 or younger aged child goes to sleep. I've heard that kind of phrase used among college students who get too drunk to drive home....

It does not seem odd at all to me, especially when you consider that Dylan wanted to visit his friends. If you have a young man who is visiting with a non-custodial parent and the other parent is in another city, and he is with a group of friends all hanging out, they would probably wander from house to house. They may end up at one person's house for dinner, and another person's house for TV and another person's house to swim and depending on the time, give a call to whichever parent is watching them to see if they can stay the night with any of the above, or another friend. Then they would text the parent they are not visiting to let them know if they are staying with a friend, or back at the home of the parent they are visiting.

I am just saying that if kids are moving from place to place, texting a parent that they "landed somewhere" for the night doesn't sound that odd, at least to me. My son texts me he's "motoring to *wherever*", so I also refer to it as motoring. He's walking, not in a car.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

I don't think you can get them if you're neither the sender or receiver unless you're LE or government with a warrant.but the sender, in this case MR, should be able to get those texts off his phone unless he deleted them. I think he could even get deleted texts if he contacted his carrier, although I don't know that for sure. I would certainly call if that was the case. I never delete texts though, so I always forget that other people do.

I have to delete them. I get so mad because I don't want to but I get a pop up that says with increasing percentages: Your text message capacity is at 85 %.... I keep trying to figure out how to save them to my computer, but I think I need a tutorial or something. (or a memory card?).

 

[Money Girl]

Never heard of that before, do you have some sort of research that indicates that? It was my belief that FBI and local LE worked together, joined their resources and acted as team. Unless FBI took over the case, which it has never been mentioned that they did, MOO is that FBI has no control over what LE says or doesn't say. MOO, LPSO is still the lead agency, Bender has been the spokesperson.

I don't, but I have learned this from other missing child cases posted here.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

It depends upon the provider. Some actually do keep full copies of all text messages, including photos, and other media.

I put up a link on one of Dylan's threads months ago that had a chart of which companies keep which types of records, and for how long. I'll see if I can't find the website that provided the information. I think it was in reference to an ACLU lawsuit or some such thing...

ETA:
Cell Phone Location Tracking Request Response – Cell Phone Company Data Retention Chart
http://www.aclu.org/cell-phone-loca...ponse-cell-phone-company-data-retention-chart

NOTE: Given the recent information given publicly about the NSA collecting more data via contracts with service providers I'd hazard a guess that the amount of information saved, and the amount of time it is saved for is likely much longer than what this chart reflects. That said, just because NSA may have record of everything doesn't mean they would admit it, or work with the FBI in regard to giving them information that *shouldn't* be available through a straight subpoena of the service provider themselves.

That would be really helpful. We know Dylan has Verizon. Do we know if MR has Verizon too?

 

[Money Girl]

Link please. Both MR & EH stated that MR traveled a lot for his job, in MB interview. EH mentioned in the DP show that MR traveled a lot and had only seen Dylan a few times (I can't remember but I believe about 4 times in 2 years) prior to their move to CS. MOO, 4 times in two years does not make "much time"

The link about the school bus rides was just posted on the previous page or two.

 

[caffeinejean]

"And, I had laid down and took a nap, which is something I try to do as much as I can when I'm not working because WE always work, you know, 14-hour days. It feels good to be home. And it was probably 2:30 by the time I realized that Dylan still was not home"

Maybe it's just in the phrasing -- it reads like he laid down and took a nap and before he knew it, it was 2:30.
JMO

In this quote with this alibi and why he didn't search for Dylan and the reason for a nap... I could never get past this direct quote from MR "it feels good to be home". His child has been missing for months at the time of this interview, and he still says IT FEELS GOOD TO BE HOME. Who is his #1 priority?

 

[Bayou Mistress]

In this quote with this alibi and why he didn't search for Dylan and the reason for a nap... I could never get past this direct quote from MR "it feels good to be home". His child has been missing for months at the time of this interview, and he still says IT FEELS GOOD TO BE HOME. Who is his #1 priority?

Parents don't enjoy being home? Especially when that parent travels for work and is gone frequently? MR sounds perfectly normal to me in this.

 

[Money Girl]

Just to clarify a bit...

I'm not saying that you have to respond to a post asking this, just scroll on by if you don't have a link, or don't want to post it whatever. Of course without backup it doesn't mean its fact so its up to you of course. Don't say things like 'look it up' or 'google it' etc. Just don't say anything. Hope that helps.

Ima

Without posting the same links over and over, could everyone agree that they are aware of all the links in the media thread. We have all been here long enough to navigate Dylan's threads and I personally think some are asking for links they do not need, just to be asking something of the poster. I especially think this when they have quoted from the same link within the past week.

 

[Money Girl]

Parents don't enjoy being home? Especially when that parent travels for work and is gone frequently? MR sounds perfectly normal to me in this.

Both my husband and I travel for work on an extended basis. We also cherish the time we have at home; Mark's statement is certainly correct based on the conversations I have with other roadwarriors.