CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #52

[Bayou Mistress]

The rates at which stepparents abuse and kill their stepchildren are
much greater than the corresponding rates in genetic parent-child
relationships (for references, see Daly and Wilson 1991).

http://bio.illinoisstate.edu/rcande... small children Ethology and Sociobiology.pdf

 

[Ghostwheel]

Random comment alert. It occurred to me last night that another reason why a phone would go directly to voice mail would be if someone changed the phone number associated with the phone. If someone has a Verizon account, you can program any phone you purchase with your own number, including a phone belonging to someone else. (that is IF the phone is not password protected, or has been wiped and restored).

Which brought to mind that since LE knows the brand/type of phone that Dylan had AND if that phone is still missing (If LE found it, they wouldn't tell us), someone might have tried to sell it on eBay or craiglist. (even if they just found it) I mention this because I sat a walkie talkie down and walked off once and it was gone when I went back to pick it up 5 minutes later. When I tried to contact it the person who had picked it up turned it off right then. (You get a beep when the other walkie gets turned off). I found it on eBay (long story associated with this, but serial number checked when I purchased it back-couldn't prove this person is the one who took it, but I informed eBay of the situation).

Rambling thought wrap up is that I wish I knew what phone Dylan had, because I'd go back and see if one like it was up for sale on eBay. Or any other electronic that Dylan had. While it is likely that anything he had ended up with him, it is possible that some electronics didn't.

 

[cattlekate]

BUMP

A NCMEC study showed that while the victims of maternal killings are almost always found either in or close to the home, fathers will, on average, dispose of the bodies hundreds of miles away.

CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #37 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community Post #18

Did LE pull all of the videos from the highways leading out of Florida Road? There are a bunch of gas stations entering, and leaving, Durango. Guess we won't know until later.

 

[katydid23]

http://bio.illinoisstate.edu/rcande... small children Ethology and Sociobiology.pdf

In the ten months between June 2009 and April 2010, 75 children were killed by fathers involved in volatile custody battles with their former partners, according to the Center for Judicial Excellence, a court advocacy organization that has been tracking news articles of such deaths around the U.S.
The Leadership Council, an independent scientific organization, estimates that each year more than 58,000 children are ordered by family courts into unsupervised contact with physically or sexually abusive parents following divorce in the United States. Experts say abusers use the court system to exercise control over their former partner’s lives, manipulating the players and risking the safety and well-being of the children’s lives the courts are sworn to protect.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2010/05/05/fathers-who-kill-their-kids.html

Every 10 days a child in the UK is killed by their mum or dad.
So while we lecture our children on stranger danger, what we are failing to mention is that the greatest risk to their safety is sitting right in front of them – ourselves.
Of course no one wants to think they are capable of such a heinous act but experts reckon the perpetrators are often the most normal of people.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/selfish-parents-killing-kids-sake-1903284

 

[AnotherSetOfEyes]

Random comment alert. It occurred to me last night that another reason why a phone would go directly to voice mail would be if someone changed the phone number associated with the phone. If someone has a Verizon account, you can program any phone you purchase with your own number, including a phone belonging to someone else. (that is IF the phone is not password protected, or has been wiped and restored).

Which brought to mind that since LE knows the brand/type of phone that Dylan had AND if that phone is still missing (If LE found it, they wouldn't tell us), someone might have tried to sell it on eBay or craiglist. (even if they just found it) I mention this because I sat a walkie talkie down and walked off once and it was gone when I went back to pick it up 5 minutes later. When I tried to contact it the person who had picked it up turned it off right then. (You get a beep when the other walkie gets turned off). I found it on eBay (long story associated with this, but serial number checked when I purchased it back-couldn't prove this person is the one who took it, but I informed eBay of the situation).

Rambling thought wrap up is that I wish I knew what phone Dylan had, because I'd go back and see if one like it was up for sale on eBay. Or any other electronic that Dylan had. While it is likely that anything he had ended up with him, it is possible that some electronics didn't.

Question for you Ghostwheel. (Be kind. The world of technology is a mystery to me.) If Dylan's phone were forwarded to another phone and someone replied to Ryan's text from that other phone, would Ryan's phone say the reply was coming from Dylan? TIA.

 

[SCHMAE]

In the ten months between June 2009 and April 2010, 75 children were killed by fathers involved in volatile custody battles with their former partners, according to the Center for Judicial Excellence, a court advocacy organization that has been tracking news articles of such deaths around the U.S.
The Leadership Council, an independent scientific organization, estimates that each year more than 58,000 children are ordered by family courts into unsupervised contact with physically or sexually abusive parents following divorce in the United States. Experts say abusers use the court system to exercise control over their former partner’s lives, manipulating the players and risking the safety and well-being of the children’s lives the courts are sworn to protect.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2010/05/05/fathers-who-kill-their-kids.html

Every 10 days a child in the UK is killed by their mum or dad.
So while we lecture our children on stranger danger, what we are failing to mention is that the greatest risk to their safety is sitting right in front of them – ourselves.
Of course no one wants to think they are capable of such a heinous act but experts reckon the perpetrators are often the most normal of people.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/selfish-parents-killing-kids-sake-1903284

Staggering numbers. Thank you for sharing.

 

[katydid23]

Crime of parents killing their kids is not so uncommon
• Article by: LARRY OAKES , Star Tribune Updated: July 14, 2012 - 9:55 PM
It's called filicide, and it happens with regularity across the country.

http://www.startribune.com/local/162485846.html

Resnick, who has for 40 years evaluated parents accused of killing their kids, conducted a seminal study on filicide in which he identified five types of the crime.
One type -- revenge against a spouse -- may best fit the scenario authorities laid out in the charges against Schaffhausen, 34, who was divorced from the girls' mother in January.
Resnick said one out of every 33 homicides in the United States is the killing of a child under 18 by their parent, or between 250 and 300 of the country's killings each year. In a 2005 study, he found filicide to be the third-leading cause of death of American children ages 5 to 14.
After spouses killing spouses, parents killing children is the most common variety of family homicide, according to a U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics study of homicides from 1976 to 2005.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2002/03/when_parents_kill.html
Adair Garcia killed five of his six children by asphyxiating them with a barbeque he'd lit in the living room. He did it to punish his estranged wife, who had moved out a week earlier.

Contrast this with the reasons men kill their children: Most frequently—like Garcia or Soltys—they kill because they feel they have lost control over their finances, or their families, or the relationship, or out of revenge for a perceived slight or infidelity.

The consistent idea is that women usually kill their children either because they are angry at themselves or because they want to destroy that which they created, whereas more often than not, men kill their children to get back at a woman—to take away what she most cherishes.


Why ever more fathers are killing their children: Top criminologist reveals her research into this sickening trend
By ELIZABETH YARDLEY

Though mothers are also capable of murdering their children, the vast majority of murders - 59 of the 71 - are committed by men. I call them Family Annihilators because they cold-bloodedly plot their family's destruction.
And the reason why these apparently normal, loving men turn into ruthless killers? Family breakdown, which, of course, is also on the increase.


In seven out of ten cases, the children have been at the centre of a bitter family break-up.

However, what's extremely worrying is that there is a small minority of men who find it impossible to cope when their families break up.

But they all seem to have one thing in common. They feel that their masculinity is being threatened.
In getting divorced, they believe they are losing the one thing that makes them feel like successful men: their families.

In murdering their children, they are, in some twisted way, wresting back control not just of their children, but often of their wives, too.
Killing their children is the most shocking and dramatic way they can think of to shout to the world: 'Look how powerful I am.'


In murder, many are also seeking the ultimate revenge. They know that in killing their children they are killing the things that are most precious to their former wives.

In the second scenario — as in the Stevensons' case — the marriage is already over, the family has broken up and the children are living with the mother.
Far from satisfied with the outcome and filled with impotent rage, the father wants revenge.

I don't know about Stevenson's wife, but often the trigger is that the spouse is with a new partner or is pregnant. He may have been dreaming of a reconciliation: now he has to face the reality of losing his wife for ever. *


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-research-sickening-trend.html#ixzz2WKmp6NsS
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[katydid23]

wrong forum...oops

 

[Ghostwheel]

Question for you Ghostwheel. (Be kind. The world of technology is a mystery to me.) If Dylan's phone were forwarded to another phone and someone replied to Ryan's text from that other phone, would Ryan's phone say the reply was coming from Dylan? TIA.

No. If another phone number gets assigned to the phone, the return number will be the different number. I know this because I do this. I don't like smartphones so I buy used flip phones when my old one dies and give them my number. However, if anyone actually has his phone and it has not been wiped and reset, they will have all of his contacts, numbers, texts and pictures(if it has that capability). Made me wonder if anyone who would have been on Dylan's contact list got a bizarre call or text in the weeks after his disappearance.

However, if someone had the phone and the number had NOT been changed (it was still Dylan's number) and there was no password on the phone, anyone could text anything from it and it would look like Dylan had done it. Since cell towers can cover a 20 mile radius, that leaves a pretty big area to cover.

ETA: It just occurred to me, did you mean "Forwarded" or "changed"? I don't think you can forward text messages automatically on a non smartphone. If you have to forward manually from phone X to phone y, then you would have to do the same in reverse: send text from phone y to phone x, then forward from that phone to wherever you want. I am pretty sure it would show up as a forwarded message in the message info, though.

 

[TxJan1971]

The U.S. Department of Justice reports

• 797,500 children younger than 18 were reported missing in a one-year period of time studied resulting in an average of 2,185 children being reported missing each day.

• 203,900 children were the victims of family abductions.

• 58,200 children were the victims of nonfamily abductions.

• 115 children were the victims of “stereotypical” kidnapping. These crimes involve someone the child does not know or a slight acquaintance who holds the child overnight, transports the child 50 miles or more, kills the child, demands ransom, or intends to keep the child permanently.

Per Andrea J. Sedlak, David Finkelhor, Heather Hammer, and Dana J. Schultz. U.S. Department of Justice. “National Estimates of Missing Children: An Overview” in National Incidence Studies of Missing, Abducted, Runaway, and Thrownaway Children. Washington, DC: Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention, Office of Justice Programs, U.S. Department of Justice, October 2002, page 5. The U.S. Department of Justice’s Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention funds ongoing research about missing children through the National Incidence Studies of Missing, Abducted, Runaway, and Thrownaway Children (NISMART). These researchers published their latest data in 2002, NISMART-2. The researchers will be collecting new data over the next year to use in an update to this study, NISMART-3. To discuss the previous research, please contact Andrea Sedlak at 301-251-4211, [email protected].

 

[AnotherSetOfEyes]

The U.S. Department of Justice reports

• 797,500 children younger than 18 were reported missing in a one-year period of time studied resulting in an average of 2,185 children being reported missing each day.

• 203,900 children were the victims of family abductions.

• 58,200 children were the victims of nonfamily abductions.

• 115 children were the victims of “stereotypical” kidnapping. These crimes involve someone the child does not know or a slight acquaintance who holds the child overnight, transports the child 50 miles or more, kills the child, demands ransom, or intends to keep the child permanently.

Per Andrea J. Sedlak, David Finkelhor, Heather Hammer, and Dana J. Schultz. U.S. Department of Justice. “National Estimates of Missing Children: An Overview” in National Incidence Studies of Missing, Abducted, Runaway, and Thrownaway Children. Washington, DC: Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention, Office of Justice Programs, U.S. Department of Justice, October 2002, page 5. The U.S. Department of Justice’s Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention funds ongoing research about missing children through the National Incidence Studies of Missing, Abducted, Runaway, and Thrownaway Children (NISMART). These researchers published their latest data in 2002, NISMART-2. The researchers will be collecting new data over the next year to use in an update to this study, NISMART-3. To discuss the previous research, please contact Andrea Sedlak at 301-251-4211, [email protected].

Small wonder that police do not always respond with the urgency that we expect. They obviously have to assess the level of danger that they think the child is in and hope they are right. LE is not in an enviable position. Maybe there needs to be more education about how involved the family needs to become immediately?

 

[TxJan1971]

The National Center for Missing & Exploited Children® has assisted law enforcement in the recovery of more than 183,000 missing children since it was founded in 1984. Our recovery rate for missing children has grown from 62 percent in 1990 to 97 percent today.

http://www.missingkids.com/KeyFacts


Dylan's NCMEC Poster:

http://www.missingkids.com/missingk...seNum=1206449&orgPrefix=NCMC&searchLang=en_US

 

[Money Girl]

While I was looking for a link that I owe someone, I ran across this video from MSM. I don't think I had seen it previously.

http://www.9news.com/news/article/314078/42/What-happened-to-Dylan-Redwine

 

[dlc]

http://bio.illinoisstate.edu/rcande... small children Ethology and Sociobiology.pdf

This study is based on children of a much younger age (5 and under):

"Killings of children less than five years of age by stepfathers versus (putative) genetic fathers are compared on the basis of Canadian and British national archives of homicides. In addition to previously reported differences in gross rates, the two categories of killings differed in their attributes. Beatings constituted a relatively large proportion of steppatemal homicides, whereas genetic fathers were relatively likely to shoot or asphyxiate their victims."


though it does contain some interesting information and observations re: motivation. I only skimmed it, will have to read more thoroughly tomorrow and follow up.

Thanks for posting.

 

[Seajay]

One thing I noticed was that the reward for information leading to Dylan being found hasn't increased in quite awhile on the Crimestoppers poster. It's still at $50,500. I would have thought donations would still be trickling in.

http://www.durangolaplatacrimestoppers.org/Pictures/Reward Poster - Dylan Redwine 02-28-13.pdf

 

[katydid23]

One thing I noticed was that the reward for information leading to Dylan being found hasn't increased in quite awhile on the Crimestoppers poster. It's still at $50,500. I would have thought donations would still be trickling in.

http://www.durangolaplatacrimestoppers.org/Pictures/Reward Poster - Dylan Redwine 02-28-13.pdf

I think donations are trickling in, but they are being earmarked for other purposes, like the searches, instead. Imo, 50 Grand is plenty for a reward. I would rather see $ going towards PI's and search costs and such, imo.

 

[Money Girl]

Is there a link to this infornation please?

I don't recall hearing that before

I'm sorry, but I have been unable to find the link. I got home yesterday and have performed some searches.

Everyone, please disregard my following message:

Originally Posted by Money Girl
LE has already interviewed them, and everything checked out just fine.


I'm sorry I cannot keep up with all the sources of data I read.

 

[Dee10]

While I was looking for a link that I owe someone, I ran across this video from MSM. I don't think I had seen it previously.

http://www.9news.com/news/article/314078/42/What-happened-to-Dylan-Redwine

He told Tricia he woke up around 5:30. MR states once again on this video he tried to wake Dylan for 45 min. to 1 hr. He told police he last saw Dylan at 7:30.

 

[asyousay]

He told Tricia he woke up around 5:30. MR states once again on this video he tried to wake Dylan for 45 min. to 1 hr. He told police he last saw Dylan at 7:30.

Did he not originally have to leave just after 6am ?

Hence i thought Dylan being at R's at 6.30 . Because his dad had to leave so early!!

 

[Dee10]

There's just too many versions after 8:00 and for a period of less than 24 hrs. to be believable IMO.