CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #6

[SCHMAE]

Volunteers can resume searching the area surrounding Vallecito Reservoir. Authorities earlier this week requested that they stay away for a few days while investigators canvassed the area.

Some volunteers have gone back into the area to search side roads and check any buildings they were not able to get to before authorities requested they stop, local resident Denise Hess said.


Law-enforcement officials have ruled out that Dylan ran away from home.


He was last seen Nov. 19. Authorities also have ruled out the possibility that the teenager wandered into the wilderness and got lost around Vallecito Reservoir.


“Task force members are looking at this investigation as a criminal investigation,” Shupe said in a news release.

http://durangoherald.com/article/20...121139996/Investigators-end-search-of-house--

BBM

This is interesting -

first, LE thought Dylan may have been near the reservior; so LE suspended public searches - did their own - now LE doesn't believe he was lost in that area - public searches allowed back in the area

this is a criminal investigation

I think LE has incriminating evidence - this article was written yesterday

the day AFTER their other thorough/CSI SW was served and executed

JMO

wow, you are likely right.
They've ruled out everything EXCEPT a crime , it seems.
I have a child just one year older than Dylan. And I know
right where she is at this very minute, as all of you know
where yours are I am sure. But it's just so sad .

 

[Linda7NJ]

Has there been any proof or corroboration, at all, of a sighting with dad and his son after airport pick up? Did anyone anywhere see them together doing anything? It's my understanding the answer is no. Is that correct?

 

[momrids6]

Volunteers can resume searching the area surrounding Vallecito Reservoir. Authorities earlier this week requested that they stay away for a few days while investigators canvassed the area.


http://durangoherald.com/article/20...121139996/Investigators-end-search-of-house--

BBM

On Sunday and Monday, investigators focused on the Vallecito Reservoir, near where Dylan's father lives.

Dive crews used sonar equipped boats to comb the water, searching several areas cadaver dogs had reacted to.
Nothing was found.

"We have no plans to return to the lake," said Bender.

BBM

http://www.krdo.com/news/Investigat...rance/-/417220/17558900/-/im35x1/-/index.html


IMO-confusing

 

[Linda7NJ]

This is true is most situations. If my hate for you is greater than my love for what you hold most dear ...


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Yep!

And the old, if I can't have what I want, you certainly can have what you want. Followed by the always popular, if I can't have, no one can.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I would have to agree with you. I have seen this is my professional work as well and, as we were discussing domestic batterers in an earlier thread, I'll just throw it out there that domestic batterers often used minor children as pawns in divorce proceedings because it was the one last thing the abuser had control over and the one last way he could hurt his victim/ex-wife.

To be fair, I've seen women do it as well

 

[Bravo]

Has there been any proof or corroboration, at all, of a sighting with dad and his son after airport pick up? Did anyone anywhere see them together doing anything? It's my understanding the answer is no. Is that correct?

To date that info has never been disclosed.

 

[Linda7NJ]

To date that info has never been disclosed.

Thanks, just wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything

So basically there is no new news?

 

[AlexisFresca]

Calling it a 'criminal investigation' also supports the 'Dylan did not run away from home' theory. Dylan is the victim of a crime.

A criminal investigation is an official effort to uncover information about a crime. There are generally three ways that a person can be brought to justice for a criminal act. First, and probably the least likely, the individual will be driven by his conscience to immediately confess. Second, an officer of the law can catch him in the act. Third, and most common, a criminal investigation can identify him as suspect, after which he may confess or be convicted by trial.

In most cases, when a crime is committed, officials have two primary concerns. They want to know who committed the crime, and what the motive was. The reason why a person breaks a law is called the motive.

The motive does not always come after identifying the perpetrator in a criminal investigation. Sometimes the motive is suspected or known and used to catch the criminal. This is often true with crimes such as kidnappings and murders. Notes or other forms of evidence may be left that reveal why the crime has been committed.

Criminal investigations are usually conducted by police. There are other official agencies that have the authority to investigate and launch criminal charges. In the United States,
these include the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the Internal Revenue Service (IRS).
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-criminal-investigation.htm

 

[bdawk20]

Someone on the last page asked why if Dylan were abducted all of his things would be missing. Just a thought:
I floated the idea that maybe there is an adult living near MR that befriended Dylan while he was still living in the area...maybe he's a neighbor, maybe he's someone that Dylan met fishing (?). Anyway, maybe Dylan's dad did make him change his plans with his friends and maybe Dylan was angry & gathered his things and went to this person's house thinking he could get a ride to his friend's or whatever. and this person unbeknownst to him had ill intentions that he had just never acted upon while Dylan was still living in the area.
Just an explanation of how he could have been "abducted" and all his things be missing too.

 

[scorekeeper]

Does that home belong to the family? Or was this pointed out as a possible hiding place for Dylan? Just trying to understand

the home was pointed out so that those that wanted to see the area by google earth or whatever could do so. As far as I know dad's address has not been released.

And also, to show that there may be "strangers" in the area and driving in and out on the only road....

as to a hiding place, i would hope LE looked there right away...

 

[Confusion]

Is there another lake close to there?

A neighboring home is listed as "Lake front", and I believe most in the area are called cabins or cottages. So I'd guess there's probably one fairly close by. MOO

If I were to believe everything the father says, those are still the facts.
The boy was in his custody, the boy was left without supervision for 4 hours, the boy went missing during that time. What is it do you think the father can throw back at mom?

BBM
I left my 13 year old home alone for that long, and often I left him to care for his younger brother. I had babysitting jobs when I was younger than 13, and the 4+ hours then were usually at night rather than in the morning. I don't see any need for either of them to throw anything at the other. I agree with the father that now is the time to focus on Dylan (they can sit and insult each other after he's found).

NEVER go by appearances!
There were orderes of protection issued!

PPL harm children every day to get back at spouses!
some parents just have bad tempers and harm kids.
some parents drink or do drugs!

Some ppl that kill are often spoken about as OHHHH he was so nice OHHHH he was so quiet such a family man ! so appearances mean squat in my book!

Just for the record - it says there were accusations of abuse and orders of protection issued, it doesn't say who was accused or who needed protection. It doesn't even say anyone was abused, just that there were accusations. I know many more quiet people who never kill anyone than do.

We have been barred from discussing the DV and violent behavior by MR because ER only hinted at it but does that change now that this is in MSM?

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I hope I remember correctly that only what's been reported, no speculation.

Per FindDylanRedwine Facebook Admin, MR did not excercise regular visitation with his son between 2007-recent move, despite son leaving nearby. It was only when ER moved with the children and custody was legally changed (as well as support payments revised) that MR requested court ordered visitation. This was Dylan's very first visitation with his father under that new order....

It was less than 2 months from the time of the visitation order until the visit. With DR in school and MR probably working, it's not always going to be easy to set up visits that far away. It wouldn't be much of a visit to fly down there one day and fly back the next. MOO

I have a couple of questions - using this post for the first of them:

1. In the previous thread, it was mentioned several times that Dylan's father must have wanted him to visit very badly because he paid for his flight. I swear that, in earlier discussions, another poster pointed out the same thing that VAsportsmom is pointing out now: he wouldn't be paying for his transportation, Dylan's mother would. I think ER would be responsible for transportation for visits, but apparently MR has paid for the flights.

2. Again in one of the previous threads, I read that there _is_ cell reception in certain parts of Dylan's father's house. This may sound weird, but I can attest to this possibility, as I have to stand next to my bedroom wall to get good reception in my house. So all of the talk about there being no reception may be wrong. The cell phone service, or lack there of, has been mainly speculations. I don't think anyone who has been in his house has actually said one way or the other.

3. Are we allowed to ask whether Dylan's father is currently employed? I have a reason for asking this: first, in one of the MSM articles, which may have been poorly written, it sounded like he might have been unemployed since 2010, yet other people refer to him being away from home working a lot (although I think the latter information came from a non-MSM source). Also, when I watch videos of him (and this is just my opinion, and I am not a mental health professional, add the other disclaimers here---) I see a man who looks angry, but also defeated (and under the circumstances, of course he would, but I sense something deeper). I wonder whether the recent professional success of Dylan's mom added to an already tense situation? I didn't see anything saying he lost his job, in 2010 he was working there at the time of the fire; I think they just don't know where, if anywhere, he works now so they just use the only info they have from the past.

Thanks.

Responses in bold

We are all caught up in how little LE has confirmed or released in this case but let's assume we are right about a few things:

1) Dylan was not seen by anyone after leaving the airport
2) The phone went off at 8pm and nobody reports hearing from him after that
3) Everything is missing from the home including any dirty clothes
4) There really were absolutely no scent items available at MR's
5) There is a history of DV and lack of interest in visitation on MR's part

If LE comes out and says "All True" then how many people are going to assume MR killed his son and stop looking for a live Dylan? If by any chance Dylan was abducted that would be a real tragedy.

Now, show us a darn airport photo if nothing else!!

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And if they come out and say False!, how many people will start looking for what may have happened rather than how to pin it on MR? I don't see why those 3 items would point to either conclusion myself.

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The jumbled mess above is a bleak look into my head, and obviously MOO.

 

[Bravo]

Thanks, just wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything

So basically there is no new news?

Nothing they are telling us. I guess the only news is it's now a Criminal Investigation from links provided.

 

[vasportsmom]

To be fair, I've seen women do it as well

No doubt. I have said from the beginning that I am not comfortable with the statements ER has made in the media. Every word may be true (I don't know) but even so I don't think she made them for the right reasons.

I no longer share rights with my ex because he gave our son up but I still refuse to bad mouth him where my son may hear or find out. Jay is 17 and entitled to have a relationship with his bio father if he should choose to. That decision must be his alone.


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[AlexisFresca]

Has there been any proof or corroboration, at all, of a sighting with dad and his son after airport pick up? Did anyone anywhere see them together doing anything? It's my understanding the answer is no. Is that correct?

If the do have either, they have it wound up tighter than a girdle on a Baptist minister’s wife at an all-you-can-eat pancake breakfast.

LE verified that MR picked up Dylan from the airport; after that they can't verify anything; but they also verified MR's activities Monday morning. Aside from that we do not know and likely won't, as Bender said during the search of MR's house that they will not release any information, ie what was found or not found, removed from the house during the search.

Can't blame them wanting to make sure they have an airtight case built against whoever is guilty for this horrible crime.

 

[scorekeeper]

TRAFFIC CAMERAS IN DURANGO

http://trafficland.com/city/DRO/index.html

so there would have been NO cameras for the ride home from the airport, unless they went into the city of Durango. Because the airport is south of the city.

darn it....

 

[JaimeSommers]

I connect with WS by smartphone, and it's close to impossible to get caught up if I've been offline for a few hours, so apologies if this has already been covered.

Without knowing firsthand the family dynamics -- the relationship between the father and Dylan, for one example -- I wonder how dangerous of a powder-keg situation could be created if (speculating here) all of the following converge in the car on the drive from the airport:

-- Father has pent up anger at mother for moving and taking the boys, and
-- Father is worried about losing his son's affection (particularly if domestic violence claims are true and sons sided with the mother in the divorce) and has a lot of emotional investment in this visit, and
-- Father picks up a grumpy Dylan at airport who doesn't want to be there, and
-- Dylan withdraws in car, pulls out phone, and starts playing games, texting, or other things that take his attention away from his father (who's already feeling threatened and who, if a violent past is accurate, may be ill-equipped to appropriately handle his frustration), and
-- Father asks Dylan to put the phone away, but Dylan refuses because he's angry about having to be there, and possibly Dylan says hurtful things out of frustration at not having control over where he spends Thanksgiving.

1. Could the father have grabbed the phone and thrown it out the window? Could there have been an escalated argument in the car that carried over into the home and things got physical? (Dylan as physical manifestation of his mother, the divorce, etc., and the father losing control of his pent-up anger)

2. Could the father have had nothing to do with this, but is withholding that he threw the phone away because it might make him look more guilty than people already think he is when he's actually innocent?

Just some things I'm kicking around while waiting for a gel mani.

 

[Camdenres]

You could be right!
I am always suspicious of the last person to see someone till LE rules them out!

For some reason I am being protective of dad...it just seemed a little strange that mom would make statements right away almost pointing fingers at dad....I think, if it were me, and I wanted my ex to come clean the LAST thing I would do would be to put him on the defensive and esp making those statements public...You know how something just hits you wrong the very first time you hear it, before it has been analyzed over and over? That is how I felt when I heard her the first time....it was just really strange to me, like I had been kicked in the gut....

JMO opinion!! Of course!

 

[Salem]

Has there been any proof or corroboration, at all, of a sighting with dad and his son after airport pick up? Did anyone anywhere see them together doing anything? It's my understanding the answer is no. Is that correct?

I don't think we have this information yet? I have not seen anything in MSM that says someone from the store remembered seeing them, or the neighbors saw them return home that evening or anything. It would be nice to have some idea of the last time Dylan was seen by someone other than his father.

In such a small community I would think they would be remembered from the store if they went shopping on the way home, kwim?

Salem

 

[vasportsmom]

Confusion (the poster, lol)

I have trouble snipping on my phone but re: what you said about my earlier post.

I started that post out by saying IF that following last was TRUE (also can't bold using the app, lol) then I could see why LE was not confirming it.

To your reply, If that info is false then I wish LE would say so. It is hard to work with those assumptions and create a scenario where MR is not responsible but if anything I listed can be debunked then I would feel a lot better about my original stance that MR is innocent.


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[Bravo]

For some reason I am being protective of dad...it just seemed a little strange that mom would make statements right away almost pointing fingers at dad....I think, if it were me, and I wanted my ex to come clean the LAST thing I would do would be to put him on the defensive and esp making those statements public...You know how something just hits you wrong the very first time you hear it, before it has been analyzed over and over? That is how I felt when I heard her the first time....it was just really strange to me, like I had been kicked in the gut....

JMO opinion!! Of course!

I guess only Mom knows the answer to that. Perhaps she regrets it? She hasn't said anything more that's negative thankfully. I guess one never knows when far away and gets a call like that how they will react.