CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #7

[jjenny]

A pack of cats in Dylans neighborhood.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t319/bonmallari/mtnlions5passingthroughWhitJan20-1.jpg

I don't think cats are going to eat a backpack.

 

[jjenny]

Been following along the whole time,a little hesitant to post. IMO I can very easily see Dylan upset that he cant go with friends that evening so he text them and told them it would be tomorrow,Has anyone verified this text as far as what was said? Is it possible he told someone dad was leaving in the morning and to come get him?He could have used the land line as well,young kids today are smart they know phones can be traced,my niece ran away at 14 and took her battery and turned phone off,when we asked her how she talked to friends she said i used other friends phones! praying for Dylan and truly hoping he is hanging out with his buddies!

According to father, father was going to drop him off at friends. Why would Dylan arrange for someone to pick him up? And police already said they determined he didn't run away. Presumably that includes police ruling out him still hanging out with his buddies.

 

[CALSAR]

A pack of cats near Dylan's home.

 

[LietKynes]

Well, according to his father he ate breakfast and watched TV. So didn't get abducted in his sleep. Nothing was disturbed in the home from what father describes, so nothing indicates Dylan was abducted from the home against his will.

SBM

How in the world did we go from "out like a light" and "nudged Dylan's shoulder" , to "...ate breakfast..." .
This is getting strange.

I WISH that Dylan is just hiding out somewhere.
But, I doubt even a good friend could hide him this long, w/o an adult catching on .

If Dylan's family and all who know him have nothing to do with this; this has to be one of the more bizarre cases of kidnapping I've heard of. I'm trying to picture in my head if Dylan WAS taken against his will from the house, could it be done without disturbing anything ??

 

[jjenny]

SBM

How in the world did we go from "out like a light" and "nudged Dylan's shoulder" , to "...ate breakfast..." .
This is getting strange.

I WISH that Dylan is just hiding out somewhere.
But, I doubt even a good friend could hide him this long, w/o an adult catching on .

His friends were interviewed by the police. I think the fantasy that Dylan is still hanging out with these friends somehow, has no basis in reality.

 

[Salem]

Exactly. If there was any record of landline use, I don't doubt police would have found that out.

I agree. But how long would it take? Landlines are a bit different from cell phones. LE would need a search warrant or subpeona to get the info. MR could probably call the phone company and get records right away? I'm not sure. Anyone else know?

Salem

 

[LaMer]

But would they take their backpack and fishing pole?

IIRC, Dylan's father had bought him a new fishing pole? Right?

Makes me wonder if any of Dylan's old fishing poles had been available. If not? Or even so proof of new pole gone, which could be proven to have been bought.

If one were going to set up a nafarious scenario where one would look as one went missing accidentally or even possibly otherwise, having a new pole and pole missing, first focus would be on the lake and end there with no results and perp would/might get away with it. A Plan! Know what I am trying to say? Missing fishing pole!

I know! :waitasec:

 

[jjenny]

I agree. But how long would it take? Landlines are a bit different from cell phones. LE would need a search warrant or subpeona to get the info. MR could probably call the phone company and get records right away? I'm not sure. Anyone else know?

Salem

LE got search warrant for the house. I don't see why they couldn't get one for landline.

 

[pinto]

Some families have rules about turning off cell phones at bedtime or after a certain hour, so it could have been taken by dad and turned off. When Dylan wakes up in the morning, he eats and decides to go to town, so goes into dad's room, finds the phone and charger, and throws it in his pack without turning it on. Or he might not have realized dad had actually turned it off.

If he purposefully didn't turn it on, maybe he didn't want dad to know he was leaving -- keeping it off helps with a plausible denial scenario ... He might not have wanted dad to know where he was going until he got there, in other words. Or how he was going to get there ... especially if he were going to hitch a ride, and of course dad would say no, wait for me. I know my kids do variations of this in their lives, when they want to do something they aren't allowed to do, but try to technically avoid disobeying. "You didn't say I couldn't...."

He might not have intended to call or text his friends until he actually found transportation and had an eta, which would depend on when he was picked up (assuming hitchhiking). Same could go for them as above, if he didn't want anyone to know he was hitchhiking, he just wasn't go to tell anyone, and just show up on their door when he did.

 

[Seek&Find]

I can't get past the way MR's statements sound to me but I have to admit that we can create a viable scenario here.

We just need a dead phone battery and a knock at the door in pretty quick order after Dylan wakes up. I don't think that transportation was arranged but I can work with someone dropping by unplanned and taking advantage of Dylan being there alone. I can see my youngest assuming the one of my "friends" would be safe enough to jump in a car with if they dropped by at a moment when he wanted to go somewhere bad enough.


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Could be, but I think we start stretching past Occam's with these scenarios, IMO. Someone happens to stop by on the morning Dylan's there while his father isn't and coincidentally Dylan's phone isn't charged/turned on/used since ~ 8 pm, manages to convince Dylan to leave with him/her so it's probably a trusted someone who didn't know Dylan was visiting :waitasec:, grabs Dylan's things and a fishing pole...

Which brings something up. Iirc, LE has the ability to reverse search for cells, right? Ie see which phones pinged a certain tower at a certain location within a certain timeframe...

Moo

 

[jjenny]

Could be, but I think we start stretching past Occam's with these scenarios, IMO. Someone happens to stop by on the morning Dylan's there while his father isn't and coincidentally Dylan's phone isn't charged/turned on/used since ~ 8 pm, manages to convince Dylan to leave with him/her so it's probably a trusted someone who didn't know Dylan was visiting :waitasec:, grabs Dylan's things and a fishing pole...:waitasec:

Which brings something up. Iirc, LE has the ability to reverse search for cells, right? Ie see which phones pinged a certain tower at a certain location within a certain timeframe...

Moo

They can definitely do a reverse search for cells, even if cell phone isn't in use. But battery has to be in a cell phone.

 

[demetra]

According to father, father was going to drop him off at friends. Why would Dylan arrange for someone to pick him up? And police already said they determined he didn't run away. Presumably that includes police ruling out him still hanging out with his buddies.

Maybe Dylan was upset with father and didn't wont him to take him,perhaps out of being stubborn he would rather go with friends.If he left on his own hitching maybe he told friends he would be there,what i am saying is IMO i cant rule out him leaving on his own or with a friend after dad left the house.What did that last text say?

 

[jjenny]

Maybe Dylan was upset with father and didn't wont him to take him,perhaps out of being stubborn he would rather go with friends.

How would he go with friends if his arrangement involved his father dropping him off? His friends live far away from where he was.

 

[LotusPawprint]

At this point I feel like everything out of my mouth sounds like gibberish (repetitive gibberish at that lol) so I'm trying to filter my thoughts... I can't recall reading before and I can't make it fit into a grand theory of what may have happened but it's something I do often. So I'll throw it out there.

Under many circumstances I've had a bag ready to go -- wherever -- to school, work, sports practice, a bike ride, meetup with friends, evening out, daytrip, etc. For a number of reasons -- being rushed, being scatter brained, trying to organize or clean up, excited or waiting to get picked up, etc. I wind up leaving my bag/backback by the front door or depending on where I live, even on my front porch.

Again, I can't place this into a broader picture and I could speculate til the end of the time on what may have happened but Dylan may have been planning on walking, hitchhiking, waiting for his dad to get home, waiting on someone to pick him up (we have no idea if any plans were made)....

I almost get a visual of a kid sitting around on a front stoop with a backpack pouting (scowling, like in the text he sent to his mom) that he's stuck at home with no way to meet up with his buddies, trying to figure out how the heck he's gonna get out of the middle of nowhere, all these miles... and then he goes back inside, frustrated and gets something to eat, mopes around, whatever. Leaves the backpack outside, no big deal. Someone sees it, goes from there.

Okay, this turned out to be more gibberish. I think I started with good intentions. I'll go back to sitting on my hands and/or using them to pray for a miracle.

 

[callyn]

I don't think cats are going to eat a backpack.

They do, however, eat people. I certainly think a mountain lion attack it not likely, but I am not ruling it out. This is fresh in my mind because not long ago my brother was stalked by a mountain lion for over an hour while on a walk. He's a big guy, 6'3" and tried the turning to face the cat and looking as big and threatening as possible. Cat just stared. This went on for an hour until brother got to his car. :what:

We live in California, this was near Ortega Hwy for those who are familiar with it.

 

[pinto]

A pack of cats near Dylan's home.

This makes me think about hunting season, too ... late elk season opened on Nov 19. I don't know what the hunting situation is around there, I'll have to look. But it opens up possibilities for some random things ... still grasping ...

 

[jjenny]

They do, however, eat people. I certainly think a mountain lion attack it not likely, but I am not ruling it out. This is fresh in my mind because not long ago my brother was stalked by a mountain lion for over an hour while on a walk. He's a big guy, 6'3" and tried the turning to face the cat and looking as big and threatening as possible. Cat just stared. This went on for an hour until brother got to his car. :what:

We live in California, this was near Ortega Hwy for those who are familiar with it.

My point is, if he was attacked by a mountain lion, since he had his backpack with him, they would likely find something.
They found nothing.

 

[DylansMom34]

LE ruled out lost in the woods. Would that include attacked by mountain lions in the woods??

 

[Bravo]

Which leads me to believe Dylan is somewhere with an abductor. Or close and in the water. Sorry to even think this. So much time has passed.

 

[SCHMAE]

LE ruled out lost in the woods. Would that include attacked by mountain lions in the woods??

LE says a criminal investigation so to me that rules out lost in the woods , fell in the lake, attacked by wildlife, runaway to meet friends.