CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #7

[jjenny]

Then I guess let's hope there's at least one text message from Dylan telling his friends about his dad's decision and griping about it. That's the only way I could find this story even halfway believable.

I am sure there is a message. His friends knew about his change of plans. But it doesn't even prove he actually arrived at his father's house. Sounds like texting was done before arriving to the house.

 

[Passin' Me By]

If it is a friend or a neighbor or someone he knows it could have went down like this
Hey Dylan, want to go fishing? You can also charge your phone down at the dock

Dylan grabs fishing pole and backpack.


I am not sure I believed that happened, but I am surprised people seem to be ignoring that stuff like that has happened before. In fact, a lot of recent children's abduction cases I can think of happened with someone who knew the person somehow and they "lured" rather than forced.


I also don't know anyone under the age of 18 who would even register that a landline was a phone they could use. I am impressed that so many of you have kids who would use one rather than waiting a minute or two to use their cellphones.

Exactly... IMO..This theory would hold weight with the "facts" given to date. What if Dylan's cell phone battery ran of power sometime after texting his friends from the truck but before he got to the house? DR gets to MR's house and the McDonald's food makes DR very tired; so much that DR falls asleep on the couch without charging his phone on Sunday night. (Maybe the charger was buried in the backpack). Like most 13yo's on vacation, he takes advantage of not having to get up early on a Monday and acknowledges (in a sleepy state) he can receive a ride to his friend's place when MR returns. Now here's where this theory explains the pole missing, the backpack and the lack of cell use. DR gets up after sleeping, turns on the tv from the couch, and makes himself cereal. Before he can charge his phone, someone familiar to DR stops by the house. This person interrupts DR from being able to charge his phone at the house. He convinces DR that fishing will take place and then he will take him to his friend's house (that explains why DR took his backpack). Maybe there was a promise of a phone charger/outlet in the vehicle as well? So instead of charging his phone at the house, DR grabs his backpack, the fishing pole and takes off with this familiar "trusted" person. IMO, this theory would explain why no one saw him walking, why his cell phone hasn't been active since Sunday night and why he didn't call his friend(s) for a ride Monday morning. This is a theory based on MR's timeline.

 

[vega]

I'm behind again, but after reading the article from Seek&Find (thank you!) linked on page 1 of this thread - I really think that someone Dylan knew came and picked him up.

I'm hoping they have checked the phone records for the land line at Dad's house. Dylan either made prior arrangements for someone to come and get him or someone showed up and told him to grab his things and let's go. OR Dylan called someone from Dad's landline and they came and got him. I don't think Dylan left by himself - someone came and got him. Someone Dylan trusted and was willing to go with.

That's what I think

Salem

ETA: Here is the link again: http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22108222#ixzz2DtmrBa3t

It is a solid explanation that someone came to MR's house that morning and Dylan grabbed his stuff and left with that person(s).

The snag I hit with the scenario is where is the communication on Dylan's part Monday morning to setup this pick-up ? A landline call Monday morning after 7:30AM is easily traceable by LE.

 

[jjenny]

Here you go shefner: http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22108222#ixzz2DtmrBa3t


Salem

There is nothing in there about Dylan making any arrangements using a land line.
If there was anything like that, police would no doubt be investigating whoever arranged to pick him up. So I very much doubt anything like that exists.

 

[Abby Normal Again]

The lack of phone activity is the big problem for me. Everything else I can make sense of one way or another, but him not turning on the phone and at least trying to text/call his friends Monday morning... that doesn't make sense.

Unless he somehow dropped or damaged the phone when he woke up Monday morning. That is the only possibility I can come up with for why he didn't use the phone Monday.

Not saying that was what happened, but it is a possibility (says the mom who has a son who not once, but twice, dropped his cell phone in the toilet.) That's the only scenario that I can think of that would fit the story as we have been given it.

Otherwise I have to agree that the phone not being turned back on Monday makes no sense for a 13 year old boy.

That is the nagging variable for me too.

IMO if LE can verify that Dylan WAS THERE at Dad's without a doubt Monday morning, then the phone issue (of why it wasn't charged) becomes somewhat moot.

Weird to be sure, but if his presence is confirmed, then Sunday evening foul play is eliminated and it becomes fact that he was alive with his phone off. For whatever reason. Since Dad's morning errands are confirmed, it would also reduce his chances of involvement.

I think phone is definitely something to investigate- I hope LE is working hard to prove or disprove Dylan's presence at his dad's.

 

[jjenny]

It is a solid explanation that someone came to MR's house that morning and Dylan grabbed his stuff and left with that person(s).

The snag I hit with the scenario is where is the communication on Dylan's part Monday morning to setup this pick-up ? A landline call Monday morning after 7:30AM is easily traceable by LE.

Exactly. If there was any record of landline use, I don't doubt police would have found that out.

 

[JustJeannie]

But if he damaged it Monday am, then left the house willingly, I'd think he'd have tossed it on a counter, couch, or something and left it and the charger behind, since it wasn't working anyway.

I think someone harmed Dylan and didn't think through all the logistics and questions there'd be while trying to cover it up.

Wish that wasn't the case. Love his little crooked smile!

Moo

And I would agree with that. It's just a possibility. I will say (from my experience with my son) that if you drop the phone in water and get it out quickly, then don't plug it in or attempt to use it until it has had time to dry, it might be able to work again. One of the two times my son dropped it, that worked. So you might take it with you, hoping that when it dried out it would be okay and you could use it later.

But I do agree, the odds are strong that someone has harmed him. I really hope that isn't the case, but it's been so long with no word.

 

[jjenny]

With the lack of communication the next day by Dylan I am prone to think something happened to him the night before or he was abducted the next morning directly from his sleep at home. I doubt the abductor would bother to grab his backpack and certainly not the fishing pole.
I read most residents don't lock their doors in that area. Is it possible MR told neighbors Dylan was coming and someone saw MR leave in the morning without Dylan? But still an abductor surely wouldn't take his fishing pole and backpack.

I just can't believe that if Dylan were hitching a ride into Bayfield or even going fishing or heading to his friends in Vallecito that he would not have contacted those friends (that were so important to him the night before) that morning before leaving the house.

Well, according to his father he ate breakfast and watched TV. So didn't get abducted in his sleep. Nothing was disturbed in the home from what father describes, so nothing indicates Dylan was abducted from the home against his will.

 

[Ivey]

My kid is tech savvy too. Huge into video editing especially. It's just not their only tech device and child is a little absent minded/distracted about logistics. Also, only texts as a means of passing information. Not to pass time like oldest.

I understand that you can't see it. I'm just saying that our scope of comprehension is pretty much moot because we don't know HIS norms.

I said in that post that I agree that MOST kids with technology like to keep is charged.

I agree. I have a 12 almost 13 year old who is definitely tech savvy, a gamer type into video editing as well but is really bad at charging his phone. Most of the time I'm the one that puts it on the charger. But his older brother would never let his phone die.

Maybe dylan decided to go to the friend in valliceto (not sure how far away that is...I know bayfield is 17 miles) and just grabbed the dead phone and charger and figured he'd charge it later. Also my 12 year old doesn't care which friend he hangs out with as so maybe Dylan just decided to fish with the friend in valliceto and then eventually make it to bayfield later in the day.

I would like to know if Dylan and the friend in valliceto are fishing buddies since maybe Dylan has known him growing up there

 

[SCHMAE]

But the only thing that keeps nagging at me is would Dylan really not contact his friends before leaving the house? Really? There was a landline. So even if no cell service he would have picked up the landline and called. Or used the internet. I absolutely believe he would have contacted his friends if he could have before leaving that house.

Could be, like a lot of the younger generation, he didn't know his friends' numbers. If the phone was dead and charging, he'd have no way to call them until it was up again. And , this may be a stretch, but supposing the boys had a big plan for monday early morning. " let's meet at the quarry'' or ' the stream south of town'' ,, somewhere where they all know there is no reception. If he was supposed to be there at 630 and now is one hour late at least, why bother calling at all. I hope that makes sense. He may have just said oh man I gotta get up to the stream, they're waiting on me, they got a head start.
I personally find this doubtful, but just throwing it out there.

 

[CALSAR]

It was said prev that the RSO's had been checked; they must be going back through that info, just as they've interviewed dad multiple times, and searched the home multiple times.

Moo

It's not always a registered offender. Sometime it's an offender that has not been caught yet.

Remember the Danielle Van Dam case; It's worth a read. A neighbor that just woke up one morning and felt like raping and murdering a little girl because her mother would not put out for the aging psychopath.

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Westerfield"]David Westerfield - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

 

[jjenny]

Could be, like a lot of the younger generation, he didn't know his friends' numbers. If the phone was dead and charging, he'd have no way to call them until it was up again. And , this may be a stretch, but supposing the boys had a big plan for monday early morning. " let's meet at the quarry'' or ' the stream south of town'' ,, somewhere where they all know there is no reception. If he was supposed to be there at 630 and now is one hour late at least, why bother calling at all. I hope that makes sense. He may have just said oh man I gotta get up to the stream, they're waiting on me, they got a head start.
I personally find this doubtful, but just throwing it out there.

His father had to know where they were planning to meet, since according to the father he was going to give Dylan a ride. It's a long distance from where he was to where his friend were. How was he going to get to that stream or whatever?

 

[Salem]

Went back and read it but don't really see that myself. But that would be great, if so.

Here's why I think that. Dylan is familiar with the area. He has friends there, friends he wanted to see. He is 13 and I'm speculating that like most 13 year olds, he would rather spend time with his friends than his parents.

Dylan wanted to go to his friends that night, Dad said it was too late, but he (dad) had appointments in the morning and would drop Dylan off on his way to Durango. Dylan says okay, continues to make arrangements with his friends to meet in morning. Dad and Dylan go home. (The cell phone still bothers me a bit.)

If the plane landed at 6:00, they are out of the airport by 6:15ish (no luggage and probably small airport), head to McD's and then to WalMart, probably about 8:00 p.m.ish and they head for home. IIRC that's a 45 min. drive, so they are probably home by 9:00 p.m.ish

Dylan and Dad talk for a bit and they go to bed. Believing Dad when he says Dylan was up very late the night before, then traveled and is now pretty tired. Dylan slept on the couch maybe watching TV until he nodded out.

Dad tries to wake him in the morning, fusses around the house & whatnot trying to wait for Dylan to wake up. Finally nudges him and says he has to go. Dylan says he doesn't want to get up and will wait for Dad to get back. I can totally see this happening with a 13 year old.

Dylan finally gets up, and pure speculation here - puts his phone on the charger. Turns the TV on, grabs a bowl of cereal and watches Nick while waiting for his phone to charge. Maybe gets dressed. Maybe - hopefully - he makes a call from the land line, while waiting for his own phone to charge up.

PURE SPECULATION HERE: Someone pulls up and says - hey, let's go! Dylan puts his bowl in the sink, grabs his phone, charger and all, throws it in his backpack, maybe grabs his fishing pole, and jumps in the car.

So... now, where is Dylan?

Did Dylan meet someone on the airplane and make friends with them? Felt safe enough to share that he was going to his Dad's house for Thanksgiving and say where Dad lived? Would Dylan do that?

Was there a visitor in town, that Dylan had been introduced too, sometime in the past and maybe gone fishing with before, that happened to see Dylan and Dad come home the night before and then, just by a fluke (or with prior knowledge) saw Dad leave in the morning?

Have Dad and Dylan ever gone fishing in the area with someone, they know, but don't know well, and that someone was again in the area? Maybe on the plane and was chatting with Dylan?

For all intents and purposes - it does not appear that Dylan made any plans whatsoever to meet up with someone off the plane - Dylan wanted to go to his friends. So, it would have had to be someone that Dylan either called from the landline, or just showed up and surprised Dylan.

Just some thoughts,

Salem

ETA - I didn't mean to write a book (sorry :blush

 

[vasportsmom]

I'm behind again, but after reading the article from Seek&Find (thank you!) linked on page 1 of this thread - I really think that someone Dylan knew came and picked him up.

I'm hoping they have checked the phone records for the land line at Dad's house. Dylan either made prior arrangements for someone to come and get him or someone showed up and told him to grab his things and let's go. OR Dylan called someone from Dad's landline and they came and got him. I don't think Dylan left by himself - someone came and got him. Someone Dylan trusted and was willing to go with.

That's what I think

Salem

ETA: Here is the link again: http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22108222#ixzz2DtmrBa3t

I can't get past the way MR's statements sound to me but I have to admit that we can create a viable scenario here.

We just need a dead phone battery and a knock at the door in pretty quick order after Dylan wakes up. I don't think that transportation was arranged but I can work with someone dropping by unplanned and taking advantage of Dylan being there alone. I can see my youngest assuming that one of my "friends" would be safe enough to jump in a car with if they dropped by at a moment when he wanted to go somewhere bad enough.


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[pinto]

oh, my.

the one guy is practically a neighbor. i wonder if dad knows him?

and the other guy possibly lives on the way to the lake...

I thought LE said early on ALL RSO were checked...

:banghead::banghead::banghead:

this information may have ready been discussed; behind in reading, again:blushing:

One of those two (not sure which one, didn't check addresses) was arrested for distributing child , about 4 years ago.

 

[jjenny]

Again, landline use is easy to check. If anybody used landline from dad's home, police know that. Unless police is completely incompetent, but I believe FBI is involved, so I have no doubt landline was checked.

 

[Seek&Find]

It's not always a registered offender. Sometime it's an offender that has not been caught yet.

Remember the Danielle Van Dam case; It's worth a read. A neighbor that just woke up one morning and felt like raping and murdering a little girl because her mother would not put out for the aging psychopath.

David Westerfield - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Didn't say it was. . Was responding to a poster who referenced LE researching the RSO's.

 

[Londonrraine]

NEED HELP W/Another Missing Girl case: Someone please help me? I'm looking into the missing "Natalie Woolerton" from N.J. Can someone help me with info about LE putting out an Alert for her??
I don't know where to go for info. I'm curious about AMBER/Other type of Alert for her??
Here's Natalie's Info: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...40864236.49739.222558184447365&type=1&theater

Please reply <modsnip>. Thank you!

 

[demetra]

Been following along the whole time,a little hesitant to post. IMO I can very easily see Dylan upset that he cant go with friends that evening so he text them and told them it would be tomorrow,Has anyone verified this text as far as what was said? Is it possible he told someone dad was leaving in the morning and to come get him?He could have used the land line as well,young kids today are smart they know phones can be traced,my niece ran away at 14 and took her battery and turned phone off,when we asked her how she talked to friends she said i used other friends phones! praying for Dylan and truly hoping he is hanging out with his buddies!

 

[SCHMAE]

His father had to know where they were planning to meet, since according to the father he was going to give Dylan a ride. It's a long distance from where he was to where his friend were. How was he going to get to that stream or whatever?

Well hitching..... I'm not saying he did. I'm just
suggesting that lack of a phone call from the landline
might indicate he knew better than to call because his
friends are already up at the PLACE they are going this
morning.
I'm obviously grasping at straws here