CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #7

[nikb]

Lake Tahoe diver's body found after 17 years. Found under ledge in lake.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/09/us-diver-body-idUSTRE7785WI20110809

This lake was created by a dam, correct? I wonder if there are boulders, ledges ect. It took Houston Police almost 6 months to find an elderly lady in a retention pond and she was sitting in her car!!!

BBM no, definitely not made by a dam. I can't even imagine being able to create a lake of that magnitude from a dam. There is a dam that regulates the water flow out to the Truckee river, but it's very small and I'd be really surprised if it has any measurable impact on the lake level at all. Here's a little more info in case you're curious: http://tahoe.usgs.gov/facts.html


The Lake Tahoe Basin was formed by geologic block (normal) faulting about 2 to 3 million years ago.
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Snow, rain, and streams filled the southern and lowest part of the basin, forming the ancestral Lake Tahoe. Modern Lake Tahoe was shaped and landscaped by the scouring glaciers during the Ice Age (the Great Ice Age began a million or more years ago). Many streams flow into Lake Tahoe, but the lake is drained only by the Truckee River, which flows northeast through Reno and into Pyramid Lake in Nevada.

As this relates to Dylan's case and him possibly being in the water, I suppose the "good" news is if he's in any of the water near MR's house it should be at least possible to find him. With how cold the water is (similar to Tahoe being very cold) it does sound like he might never surface if that's where he is, though.

 

[Seek&Find]

I just want to note that we don't know if the possibility of getting a ride from a friend's parent was discussed between Dylan and his friends or not. The idea that runs through my head is-- Sunday night when Dylan is talking to his buds he says he can't come over that night, how about Monday? Says Dad's got some meetings, can your mom pick me up? Perhaps the friend's parents were going to be working on Monday (I would think most working adults would have to work at least Monday & Tuesday of Thanksgiving week) and this is what led to the idea of MR dropping Dylan off so early on his way to his meetings.

I don't know if I portrayed my thought clearly, and I realize it is just as likely that a conversation such as this did not happen. I'm just throwing out ideas.

JMO.

IMO, we do know that ride arrangements were not made with the Bayfield friends or their parents.

RN, 13, a friend of Dylan&#8217;s said in a phone interview Saturday that Dylan was originally going to Bayfield to visit his friends Sunday night but then changed that to meet them at 6:30 a.m. Monday.

R said he and his friends expected Dylan&#8217;s father to drive him into town from Vallecito, but Dylan never arrived.

Mark Redwine showed up later asking where Dylan was but the three friends didn&#8217;t know.

R said he texted and called Dylan&#8217;s phone all day but didn&#8217;t get replies.

R and friends FS and WH were part of a group of residents Saturday going door-to-door in Bayfield on County Road 502, handing out fliers with information about Dylan.

BBM link

 

[jjenny]

http://www.newstribune.com/news/2012/nov/30/no-sign-boy-who-vanished-visit-dad/

By The Associated Press
Friday, November 30, 2012

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Hmm. I wonder if this is just the reporter's interpretation of what may have been said by authorities?

It's a Missouri paper, but an A/P article.

Authorities said they confirmed he arrived at the airport. They have not said they confirmed he went missing Monday morning while going off to meet his friends.

 

[jjenny]

IMO, we do know that arrangements were not made with the Bayfield friends or their parents.

BBM link

And father says the same thing-he was supposed to drop Dylan off Monday morning.

 

[dlc]

I would guess he used a lure. Looks like trout, bass, and pike are the main catches at that lake.

I would guess so too -- like I said, we usually dug up earthworms, but we were on a farm, and also were fishing for things like catfish, etc. So, if he would need lures, I assume he would need a tackle box, or something similar? Was one missing? Please note: don't really buy fishing theory, but willing to consider it, and in doing so just trying to figure out what else he'd need to make that work.

Thanks for your help.

 

[jjenny]

Just wanted to add -- if it hasn't already been stated --- the BEST clues are what was said/texted to Dylans' friends. The friends he was to get together with. I hope LE has talked very thoroughly with any buddies of Dylan's !! That, and the phone records.
Just a question... is it possible to get a transcript of what exactly was SAID between Dylan and friends ??
Since there's so little evidence, the above paragraph is all we ( well, LE) have to go on.

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LE should know exactly what Dylan texted to his friends. Texting leaves a trail. They should know what was said, word by word. Dyaln's phone is missing, but they could obtain texts either from friend's phone, or from cell phone provider. So they should have the exact wording.

 

[vasportsmom]

Just wanted to add -- if it hasn't already been stated --- the BEST clues are what was said/texted to Dylans' friends. The friends he was to get together with. I hope LE has talked very thoroughly with any buddies of Dylan's !! That, and the phone records.
Just a question... is it possible to get a transcript of what exactly was SAID between Dylan and friends ??
Since there's so little evidence, the above paragraph is all we ( well, LE) have to go on.

LE's silence is worrisome to me. Makes me think they know what's transpired, but are building a case. I hope that's not the case at all. This boy looks a bit like my sisters' youngest kid --- even though he's 15 yrs. old.

If this happened to me ( my child disappearing while I was out on errands ) I'd immediately be begging LE and anyone else (crime lab?) to come into my house, take my pc, check for fingerprints, produce any item my child may have handled or whatever.
LE probably wouldn't do anything until I'd called any of my kids' friends, etc., after which I'd practically be grabbing the authorities' arms and demanding they do something to help. I'd be a wreck.

In one of Ann Rules' books (forgot the title), she writes about a man's wife who went missing from work ( electrical technician ? ) --- all they found was her work truck and hard hat. She (Ann) said it was one of her hardest interviews, because the husband was so grief-stricken. He spent his money and went looking for her any time he wasn't at work.
I feel for everyone who loves Dylan !

Verizon stores a copy of all texts for some period of time (30 days, I believe) and it is possible to request a hardcopy. I don't know about other carriers but I would assume they have similar practices.


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[LietKynes]

It didn't evolve like that. He was asleep and didn't completely wake up when Dad was getting ready. Then people asked "did you even see him? Did you talk to him? maybe it was pillows and he adds "I nudged him and tried to rouse him, but he was not to be risen. When dad came home later he observed that he had eaten breakfast while his Dad was gone.

SBM

Then , if it happened like that, there IS evidence that Dylan was there Sun. night. And why didn't MR produce the spoon/cereal bowl for the tracking dogs ? Then Dylans' mom wouldn't have had to bring clothes for the sar dogs.
Just saying.

 

[cfreyja23]

I'm trying to catch up on reading since the last time I posted, and something is confusing me. Is it confirmed that Dylan spoke with his friend(s) Sunday night, or were they just texting back and forth? Obviously, texts from Dylan do not prove that he made them, only that they were made from him phone. Can anyone confirm when he last actually spoke to someone other than his father or was seen in public? The only thing I read was MR saying that his friend was "trying to call him" and that they were "communicating." TIA.

 

[Rougelatete]

R said he and his friends expected Dylan&#8217;s father to drive him into town from Vallecito, but Dylan never arrived.

Mark Redwine showed up later asking where Dylan was but the three friends didn&#8217;t know.

R said he texted and called Dylan&#8217;s phone all day but didn&#8217;t get replies.

I want to know if MR ever tried calling or texting Dylan's phone after arriving home from his errands. That, to me, might speak volumes. If MR didn't call or text Dylan's phone, that might indicate he already knew Dylan was deceased or that the phone was underwater, etc. If MR did try to call and text Dylan, it might or might not refute that (he could still call as a way to cover and provide alibi or he could be innocently trying to reach his son, not knowing where he is).

But, I would think that after not seeing Dylan for half the day, not finding a note saying "Hey, I went to so-and-so's house. Be back later," that MR would first try to reach Dylan by phone and THEN drive to the friend's house to see if he is there. Seems like a lot of effort to drive somewhere to find Dylan when it would be much easier to just pick up the phone and get in touch with him. I really hope LE has an answer to this question about whether or not MR tried to reach Dylan by phone after finding him missing.

http://durangoherald.com/article/20121124/NEWS01/121129756&template=mobileart

 

[jjenny]

I'm trying to catch up on reading since the last time I posted, and something is confusing me. Is it confirmed that Dylan spoke with his friend(s) Sunday night, or were they just texting back and forth? Obviously, texts from Dylan do not prove that he made them, only that they were made from him phone. Can anyone confirm when he last actually spoke to someone other than his father or was seen in public? The only thing I read was MR saying that his friend was "trying to call him" and that they were "communicating." TIA.

As far as I can tell, he was texting, not having a conversation. Mother got a text from him as well (not a person to person conversation). Preferred method of communication by teenagers is texting, so that would be normal.

 

[asiapyn]

You have to cut off your phone to charge it? Never heard of that....

****Sometimes if my battery gets down to 5%, its better to turn it off while it charges. That way, its not constantly running updates, searching for signal and wifi.

 

[JustCryssy]

Generally they are the same thing though. "Disposable" phones are ones that are cheap, easy to find at Walmart/Target/etc., easy to activate and don't require plans. Same thing as a prepaid phone.

Do you mean "burners"?

Many "prepay" phones are now traceable. The "no contract" Walmart, Virgin, etc phones are registered to a user... my Virgin phones can be traced to me even without a contract.

"Burners" however, like Net10, are not.

I have a "burner" that my prison "friends" call me on. It keeps me from having my name put on restriction lists.

I would think a call from one of these phones showing up on Dylan's cell records would send LE into a tailspin unless the number was listed in Dylan's contacts.
They are typically used by those trying to avoid detection.. but might also be used as a filler for a lost or stolen phone.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I'm trying to catch up on reading since the last time I posted, and something is confusing me. Is it confirmed that Dylan spoke with his friend(s) Sunday night, or were they just texting back and forth? Obviously, texts from Dylan do not prove that he made them, only that they were made from him phone. Can anyone confirm when he last actually spoke to someone other than his father or was seen in public? The only thing I read was MR saying that his friend was "trying to call him" and that they were "communicating." TIA.

He later stated that Dylan texted his friends to let them know plans had changed. He also texted him Mom with a 'scowl' emoticon that he had arrived and was with Dad.

But you are right. Texting does not prove you are talking to who you think you are.

 

[Linda7NJ]

SBM

Then , if it happened like that, there IS evidence that Dylan was there Sun. night. And why didn't MR produce the spoon/cereal bowl for the tracking dogs ? Then Dylans' mom wouldn't have had to bring clothes for the sar dogs.
Just saying.

Spoons and bowls aren't used by dogs to track people


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[Eileen730]

While all of your statements sound accurate, I personally would be a little hesitant to put stock in generalizations on a child we don't know, especially when there are so many unknowns to us. For example, travelling by himself could be stressful (or just travelling in general) or he could've been so excited to make the trip and see his friends that he crashed energy-wise. Kids get tired once in a while, sometimes, rarely, I think...lol. Just sayin' it's not completely out of the question, moo.

Funny it all depends on what the kid is doing!
He was not to tired to go to his friends.
I dont think dad wanted to do the drive.

What Im implying is he could have told dad he was tired. An excuse!
No big deal.
Not so sure he wanted to be there.

 

[jjenny]

He later stated that Dylan texted his friends to let them know plans had changed. He also texted him Mom with a 'scowl' emoticon that he had arrived and was with Dad.

But you are right. Texting does not prove you are talking to who you think you are.

But LE could compare word pattern with Dylan's previous texts to see if they were consistent with something send by a teenager vs. an adult.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

But LE could compare word pattern with Dylan's previous texts to see if they were consistent with something send by a teenager vs. an adult.

True, but I would think that Dad might know exactly how Dylan texts especially if they text back and forth. I could probably text my daughter's friends forever using her phone and they would never know it wasn't her. I know how she texts, talks and what words she uses.

 

[katydid23]

The possible hitchhiking is beginning to sound like a very real possibility to me. I am sure that if he woke up after his dad left, he would have probably been bored very quickly, so perhaps he set off to hitchhike to his friends' house taking his fishing pole with him, and somebody came along and coaxed him into their vehicle.
But assuming that he tried to hitchhike and wasn't seen by neighbors walking down the road... that's not too far fetched, to me. I don't always see who walks down my road and I live in a rural area. When people are walking, they don't make that much noise. Unless you're sitting by the window and watching out, you might not notice a person walking by. He could easily have not been sighted at all before getting into a vehicle with someone. That person could have made certain not to pick him up right in front of another house. I don't know how far apart Mark's house is from other houses, but if you live in that area, you might not always know what's going on around you every minute, right?
People still hitchhike in the area I live in. I see them all the time. Kids 13 years old may not even think of the dangers of accepting a ride from strangers, and especially from someone they even remotely know.
It is a possiblity, IMO.

BBM

But if he was bored and impatient, why wouldn't he contact his friends? Why would he attempt to hitchhike 20 miles, without calling his friends first? He could have asdked for a ride, or at the very least, asked if they were still going to be there. He was supposed to be there at 6:30 am. If he decide to hitch a ride at 9 or 10, wouldnt he ask if they were still there waiting, before he set off on his trip?

And why not call and see if he could get a ride before he tried to hike and/or hitchhike the 20 miles? Or why not call or text his dad to see what time he was coming back? he apparently had some cereal and watched Nickelodean when he woke up. What time was that?
His dad said he was coming back at 11 to give him a lift.After he woke up, had some cereal and watched some cartoons, what time was it? Was 11 am really so far away that he needed to hitchhike? That is hard for me to accept.

 

[jjenny]

True, but I would think that Dad might know exactly how Dylan texts especially if they text back and forth. I could probably text my daughter's friends forever using her phone and they would never know it wasn't her. I know how she texts, talks and what words she uses.

But Dylan doesn't live with dad, so dad is unlikely to know how Dylan texts. Divorce was in 2007. So dad has not lived with Dylan in a long time.